Pakistan ranked 7th, Turkey ranked 11th in latest GlobalFirePower rankings. Ukraine sees a massive rise.

[retaxis]

The reality is Turkey is lifting itself pretty well and strongly. It is a power to be reckoned with and a civilizational power of considerable strength and importance.

Its military industry as a per capita and according to how many resources it has, performs arguably better than any other based on those measures but nominally it is not able to match a combined western Europe even ignoring nuclear weapons. At how well Turkey's military industry is improving, it will be a conventional match for France in medium term future though. The Europeans are talking you down but it is also true that France's power outranks Turkey overall, today even ignoring nuclear weapons. But it's also true that Turkey's rise is impressive and its starting base is lower in this race and comparison.

Both sides have their points that are valid, rest is trolling and overreacting to trolling or insensitive commenting and oversensitivity to poor taste comments. China gets much worse treatment on the internet though lol. It is what it is but no internet commenting, not even in the trillions actually change reality. Turkey is a promising civilizational power and already today has very respectable military power and very impressive military industry and rate of improvement.

Based on what? a low tech low cost UAV that bombed a few rag tag guerillas with ak47s? Every single nation in the world can produce UAVs and currently are because UAVs are easy and cheap to produce. Even Peru, Latvia and sri lanka have their own UAV programs and drones.

List of unmanned aerial vehicles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dr-who]

Military hardware matters little when neurological and testicular hardware is lacking...

Bad strategy, small-mindedness, dogmatism, political engagement, business interests, and confusing mediocrity with excellence will ensure losses regardless of the toys at a military command's disposal.

The sheer size different is massive. We have around 1.3 million Armed Forces. 3000 Tanks, plus Armored Vechiles and other weapon. France entire Armed Forces are not more than 240000. Not more than 500 Tanks

But our Air Force and navy not as strong as france

 

[serenity]

Based on what? a low tech low cost UAV that bombed a few rag tag guerillas with ak47s? Every single nation in the world can produce UAVs and currently are because UAVs are easy and cheap to produce. Even Peru, Latvia and sri lanka have their own UAV programs and drones.

List of unmanned aerial vehicles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Avionics they produce, missiles, SAMs, radars, EW equipment, pods, ships, all manner of subsystems.

All that is relatively impressive given where Turkey's MIC was 20 years ago and how much funding they have to play with.

Also in UAVs they have several MALE type drones and developing a UCAV. Impressive enough. India despite having a much larger pool of human and material resources cannot produce a single MALE drone that's put into service in credible numbers. I mean Turkey has exported their equipment more than India has exported by 100s of times more. How many UAVs have India exported vs Turkey? How many pods and subsystems for anything? It's impressive no matter what measure. Difference between Peru, Latvia, and Sri Lanka's drone programs to Turkey's is that Turkey's deliver somethings and often reasonably impressive and mostly domestically done now.

Anyway it seems this entire forum deals more with tribal stuff and the overall purpose of most posts is slandering, picking silliness arguments, trying to talk down others and so on. Yes Turkish members do this too and all the time as well to others and so on, all really and for most members. But it is back to what I said earlier, no number and delusion level of internet commenting changes how one country's policies towards top priority technology related stuff works. It also of course doesn't change where the actual level of that country's at.

Turkey is objectively punching above its weight. There are cheerleaders for them here and antagonists too. For a moment of objectivity, I would simply like to say those abilities are probably unfairly ridiculed by some here and perhaps unnecessarily hyped by others. I don't care about Turkey or feel aligned to one side or another but simply from my observation. Some media hype it too much I guess so certain members here want to attack it more. Particularly those who don't like Turkey for their own reasons. Not liking a country doesn't mean that country is weaker than you say it is on the internet though.

 

[MMM-E]

it will be a conventional match for France in medium term future though. The Europeans are talking you down but it is also true that France's power outranks Turkey overall, today even ignoring nuclear weapons. But it's also true that Turkey's rise is impressive and its starting base is lower in this race and comparison.

Turks vs all Europe since 1096
Europeans never fought one on one against the Turks ....
even Russians joined Europeans to fight the Turks

Turks ( super power Ottoman Empire ) saved France from Germany in 1530s and protected France for over 200 years until NAPOLEON

Franco-Ottoman alliance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

100 years ago UK+France+Greece+Armenia together attacked unarmed Turkiye
Turks bought weapons from Russians and beat all of them

Turkiye doesnt attack France ,
France support PKK/YPG terrorists and Greece to fight Turkiye
there are potential conflict in the Eastern Mediterranean

Turkey is a promising civilizational power and already today has very respectable military power and very impressive military industry and rate of improvement.

We Turks are coming back ....
Turkiye has its own agenda self sufficiency by 95% as like USA , France , Russia , China
and 757 Turkish military projects do it


France can not change anything in the Eastern Mediterranean
Eastern Mediterranean is Turkiye's play zone


-- Turkiye has developed its own Air Defense umbrella with 450+ km AESA Radar
KORKUT 35 mm CIWS
SUNGUR MANPAD
HISAR-A low altitude Air Defense System
HISAR-O medium altitude Air Defense System
SIPER high altitude Air Defense System

also Turkiye bought S-400 Air Defense System with 192 missiles
and REDET-II Radar Electronic Warfare System

Fighter Jets and Cruise missiles are not threat to Turkiye anymore


-- Turkiye has developed its own Anti-Ship missiles against enemy Naval Forces
SOM , ATMACA , TRLG-230 and soon CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ missiles
hypersonic anti-ship Ballistic Missile and RAMJET powered supersonic anti-ship Missile

French Navy can not reach to Turkiye
250 km ATMACA land based anti-ship missile ..
250 Turkish UCAVs armed with 1.000-1.500 missiles to turn enemy navy into crap of metal

also unmanned Submarine and Vessels on the way armed with torpedos and anti-ship missiles

even I am not talking about Airforce and Navy

only one Ukraine anti-ship missile was enough to turn Russian Warship MOSKVA into crap of metal


when KIZILELMA unmanned Fighter Jet and TFX air superiority Fighter Jet enter service as of 2025 and 2028 ... then game over for enemies

 

[Foinikas]

Anyway it seems this entire forum deals more with tribal stuff and the overall purpose of most posts is slandering, picking silliness arguments, trying to talk down others and so on. Yes Turkish members do this too and all the time as well to others and so on, all really and for most members. But it is back to what I said earlier, no number and delusion level of internet commenting changes how one country's policies towards top priority technology related stuff works. It also of course doesn't change where the actual level of that country's at.

The problem is that MMM-E presents a picture of Turkey that has little to do with reality. Other Turkish members distance themselves from him. He never admits a fault and ignores people when they present him with facts and solid arguements. When somebody criticizes his posts,he gets mocks and insults them. His posts are full of ultranationalistic bragging,long lists of the same projects and arrogant comments towards other countries and posters.

If you disagree with him,you are called an "ignorant troll" and a "liar". Even if you simply correct him,doubt his figures and information or dispute his sources.

 

[MMM-E]

Difference between Peru, Latvia, and Sri Lanka's drone programs to Turkey's is that Turkey's deliver somethings and often reasonably impressive and mostly domestically done now.

Greek and Chinese users Foinikas and retaxis are biased and they talk childishly

they have big hatred and butthurt feelings toward Turkiye
full of lies , trolling and anti-Turkiye propaganda ...

What a joke ... what a troll team
Retaxis compare Peru, Latvia, and Sri Lanka's small drones with Turkish AKINCI strategic UCAV

which carry 1.500 kg weapon ,, stay in the air for 24 hours , flying at 40.000 feet and with range of 7.500 km

even France-Germany dreaming about EUROMALE UAV for 2028


and now AKINCI UCAV is most heavily armed UCAV in the world

to carry 16-30-40-50-60-100-150 km even 280 km SOM Cruise Missile
also AESA Radar and 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missile

American MQ-9 UCAV armed with only 12-20 km laser guided missile and bomb

to carry even 150 km TRLG-230 supersonic missile to hit even moving Targets

AKSUNGUR UCAV for the Turkish Navy to carry sonobouys and torpedos to hunt enemy Submarines

ANKA-S UCAV to carry even 200 km SIMSEK kamikaze Drone with speed of mach 0.9

They still dont understand what Turkiye has developed

Its KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet .... unmanned KIZILELMA vs manned J20

GaN based AESA Radar

100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missile

KIZILELMA will be turned to hell weapon with 2 x turbofan engines for speed of mach 1.8

 

[Muhammed45]

USA,China,UK,France,Russia,Japan,S.Korea,Turkiye,Italy ,Germany rules military technologies in the World


Pakistan , N.Korea have only missile technology ... nothing else

where are Pakistan , N.Korea ?



TOP NAVAL INDUSTRIES

USA , UK , France , Russia , China , India , Japan , S.Korea , Turkiye , Italy , Spain , Germany


TOP AVIATION INDUSTRIES

USA , UK , France , Russia , China , India , Japan , S.Korea , Turkiye , Italy , Brazil


TOP UCAV Technologies

USA , Turkiye , Israel , China


Top EW Technologies

USA , UK , France , Russia , Turkiye , Israel


AESA Radar technology

USA , UK , France , Russia , China , S.Korea , Israel , Turkiye , India , Italy , Japan


Gasturbine Engine / single crystal blade and bliks technologies

USA , UK , France , China , Turkiye .. ( Russia-Ukraine )


Top Missile Technologies

USA , UK , France , Russia , China , S.Korea , N.Korea , Israel , Turkiye ,Pakistan , Iran , India


To produce everything for Army

Tank , Howitzers , MLRS , Ballistic Missile , Cruise Missile , Air Defense Systems , MANPADS , Anti-Tank Missiles , AESA Radars , Electronic Warfare Systems , Kamikaze Drones , UCAVs , Attack and Utility Helicopters

USA , France , Russia , China , Turkiye ,

Both Pakistan and North Korea can bomb the whole Turkey in a matter of half an hour, can Turkey do the same to them? Obviously no. It is not a practical scenario and just for comparison. You have a small arsenal and non diverse pack of short range ballistic missiles thanks to China.

 

[Foinikas]

Greek and Chinese users Foinikas and retaxis are biased and they talk childishly

If there's someone biased,that's you. Your words and constant derogatory comments about other countries,show that that you're extremely biased. In your arrogance,you have a picture of a Turkey that cannot lose and is so technologically advanced and rich,that every comparison with other States is useless.

 

[MMM-E]

Both Pakistan and North Korea can bomb the whole Turkey in a matter of half an hour, can Turkey do the same to them? Obviously no. It is not a practical scenario and just for comparison. You have a small arsenal and non diverse pack of short range ballistic missiles thanks to China.

Only in your dreams .. backward N.Korea also threatening Japan

Turkiye hosts B-61 termonuclear Bombs against non-NATO countries
Nobody can fire even one bullet against a NATO Country

Germany , Turkiye , Japan , S.Korea easly can develop nuclear weapons
Problem is not technology ... problem is politics and Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons



And Turkiye has its own technology
Turkiye has its own agenda 2017-2028

ROKETSAN
DELTA V Space Technologies

ROKETSAN Space Program

Roketsan TPO-1 : 120 km altitude in 2017
Roketsan TPO-2 : 130 km altitude in 2018
Roketsan SRO-1 : 136 km altitude in 2020

Roketsan SR-1 : 100 kg payload and 300 km altitude in 2023
Roketsan SIMSEK-1 SLV: 400 kg payload and 550 km altitude in 2027

Critical systems and stages have been verified
-- Solid-Propellant Rocket Motor with Thrust Vector-Control feature
-- Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engine
-- Aerodynamic hybrid control driven by Thrust Vector Control, and electromechanically controlled propulsion
-- Multiple firings in space by the Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engine
-- Precise orientation control in space environment
-- Inertial Precision Navigation based on national sensors and a national Global Positioning System Receiver
-- Capsule detachment in space
-- Various structural and chemical materials and advanced processing techniques


Hypersonic SR1-0 Rocket to carry 100 kg payload to 300 km altitude in 2023

Length : 15 m
Diameter : 1.35 m

1.700 km Chinese DF-21 Ballistic Missille ( length of 10,7 m and diameter of 1,4 m )

2.500 km Pakistani Shaheen-2 Ballistic Missille ( length of 17,5 m and diameter of 1,4 m )

Turkish SR1-0 Rocket ( length of 15 m and diameter of 1,35 m )



DELTA V Space Technologies - TUBITAK Space

Moon Research Program (AYAP-1 )

Turkiye has its own space program to reach the Moon by 2023-2024
Hard landing : 2023-2024
Soft landing : 2028

DeltaV Space Technologies has developed the hybrid propulsion system that will carry the spacecraft developed by TÜBİTAK Space to the Moon

After tests in earth orbit, DeltaV's hybrid engine will fire to enter lunar orbit


SORS is a probe rocket system with hybrid fuel engine technology that will be used primarily for the 2023-2024 hard landing on the Moon.

Hypersonic SORS was fired with liquid oxidizer and solid paraffin, had vertical firing tests in 2021. ( 300 km altitude )

Delta-V belongs to Turkiye and 100% Turkish technology
The World’s first sounding rocket launch using a paraffin/liquid oxygen propellant pair

2019
Türkiye‘s largest rocket engine firing with a liquid oxidizer

2021
Development of novel hybrid rockets with World’s highest thrust density

2022
The firing of the first hybrid propulsion system that developed for orbital operations

DeltaV Space Technologies has developed the hybrid propulsion system that will carry the spacecraft developed by TÜBİTAK Space to the Moon

Turkiye to join the big club in 2028 ( USA , Europe ESA , Russia , China )

Homepage

Türkiye's Gateway to the NewSpace Türkiye's Gateway to the NewSpace SORS Sounding Rocket HİS In-Space Propulsion Unit Services & Products Enabling Technologies for Space Access

deltav.com.tr

 

[Foinikas]

And Turkiye has its own technology
Turkiye has its own agenda 2017-2028

ROKETSAN
DELTA V Space Technologies

ROKETSAN Space Program

Roketsan TPO-1 : 120 km altitude in 2017
Roketsan TPO-2 : 130 km altitude in 2018
Roketsan SRO-1 : 136 km altitude in 2020

Roketsan SR-1 : 100 kg payload and 300 km altitude in 2023
Roketsan SIMSEK-1 SLV: 400 kg payload and 550 km altitude in 2027

Critical systems and stages have been verified
-- Solid-Propellant Rocket Motor with Thrust Vector-Control feature
-- Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engine
-- Aerodynamic hybrid control driven by Thrust Vector Control, and electromechanically controlled propulsion
-- Multiple firings in space by the Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engine
-- Precise orientation control in space environment
-- Inertial Precision Navigation based on national sensors and a national Global Positioning System Receiver
-- Capsule detachment in space
-- Various structural and chemical materials and advanced processing techniques


Hypersonic SR1-0 Rocket to carry 100 kg payload to 300 km altitude in 2023

Length : 15 m
Diameter : 1.35 m

1.700 km Chinese DF-21 Ballistic Missille ( length of 10,7 m and diameter of 1,4 m )

2.500 km Pakistani Shaheen-2 Ballistic Missille ( length of 17,5 m and diameter of 1,4 m )

Turkish SR1-0 Rocket ( length of 15 m and diameter of 1,35 m )



DELTA V Space Technologies - TUBITAK Space

Moon Research Program (AYAP-1 )

Turkiye has its own space program to reach the Moon by 2023-2024
Hard landing : 2023-2024
Soft landing : 2028

DeltaV Space Technologies has developed the hybrid propulsion system that will carry the spacecraft developed by TÜBİTAK Space to the Moon

After tests in earth orbit, DeltaV's hybrid engine will fire to enter lunar orbit


SORS is a probe rocket system with hybrid fuel engine technology that will be used primarily for the 2023-2024 hard landing on the Moon.

Hypersonic SORS was fired with liquid oxidizer and solid paraffin, had vertical firing tests in 2021. ( 300 km altitude )

Delta-V belongs to Turkiye and 100% Turkish technology
The World’s first sounding rocket launch using a paraffin/liquid oxygen propellant pair

2019
Türkiye‘s largest rocket engine firing with a liquid oxidizer

2021
Development of novel hybrid rockets with World’s highest thrust density

2022
The firing of the first hybrid propulsion system that developed for orbital operations

DeltaV Space Technologies has developed the hybrid propulsion system that will carry the spacecraft developed by TÜBİTAK Space to the Moon

Turkiye to join the big club in 2028 ( USA , Europe ESA , Russia , China )

Homepage

Türkiye's Gateway to the NewSpace Türkiye's Gateway to the NewSpace SORS Sounding Rocket HİS In-Space Propulsion Unit Services & Products Enabling Technologies for Space Access

deltav.com.tr

Instead of bragging like a gorilla,tell us something.

You called Georg a "pig farmer",I asked you 2-3 times about your job today and you completely avoided to answer.

If you're a man,reply. Unless you are too ashamed of your profession.

 

[Muhammed45]

Only in your dreams .. backward N.Korea also threatening Japan

Turkiye hosts B-61 termonuclear Bombs against non-NATO countries
Nobody can fire even one bullet against a NATO Country

Germany , Turkiye , Japan , S.Korea easly can develop nuclear weapons
Problem is not technology ... problem is politics and Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons



And Turkiye has its own technology
Turkiye has its own agenda 2017-2028

ROKETSAN
DELTA V Space Technologies

ROKETSAN Space Program

Roketsan TPO-1 : 120 km altitude in 2017
Roketsan TPO-2 : 130 km altitude in 2018
Roketsan SRO-1 : 136 km altitude in 2020

Roketsan SR-1 : 100 kg payload and 300 km altitude in 2023
Roketsan SIMSEK-1 SLV: 400 kg payload and 550 km altitude in 2027

Critical systems and stages have been verified
-- Solid-Propellant Rocket Motor with Thrust Vector-Control feature
-- Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engine
-- Aerodynamic hybrid control driven by Thrust Vector Control, and electromechanically controlled propulsion
-- Multiple firings in space by the Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engine
-- Precise orientation control in space environment
-- Inertial Precision Navigation based on national sensors and a national Global Positioning System Receiver
-- Capsule detachment in space
-- Various structural and chemical materials and advanced processing techniques


Hypersonic SR1-0 Rocket to carry 100 kg payload to 300 km altitude in 2023

Length : 15 m
Diameter : 1.35 m

1.700 km Chinese DF-21 Ballistic Missille ( length of 10,7 m and diameter of 1,4 m )

2.500 km Pakistani Shaheen-2 Ballistic Missille ( length of 17,5 m and diameter of 1,4 m )

Turkish SR1-0 Rocket ( length of 15 m and diameter of 1,35 m )



DELTA V Space Technologies - TUBITAK Space

Moon Research Program (AYAP-1 )

Turkiye has its own space program to reach the Moon by 2023-2024
Hard landing : 2023-2024
Soft landing : 2028

DeltaV Space Technologies has developed the hybrid propulsion system that will carry the spacecraft developed by TÜBİTAK Space to the Moon

After tests in earth orbit, DeltaV's hybrid engine will fire to enter lunar orbit


SORS is a probe rocket system with hybrid fuel engine technology that will be used primarily for the 2023-2024 hard landing on the Moon.

Hypersonic SORS was fired with liquid oxidizer and solid paraffin, had vertical firing tests in 2021. ( 300 km altitude )

Delta-V belongs to Turkiye and 100% Turkish technology
The World’s first sounding rocket launch using a paraffin/liquid oxygen propellant pair

2019
Türkiye‘s largest rocket engine firing with a liquid oxidizer

2021
Development of novel hybrid rockets with World’s highest thrust density

2022
The firing of the first hybrid propulsion system that developed for orbital operations

DeltaV Space Technologies has developed the hybrid propulsion system that will carry the spacecraft developed by TÜBİTAK Space to the Moon

Turkiye to join the big club in 2028 ( USA , Europe ESA , Russia , China )

Homepage

Türkiye's Gateway to the NewSpace Türkiye's Gateway to the NewSpace SORS Sounding Rocket HİS In-Space Propulsion Unit Services & Products Enabling Technologies for Space Access

deltav.com.tr

Those warheads just proves me that your country is under American (NATO) boots. That's pathetic from you to hide behind belongings of others on your soil. It is very rich from you to call others pathetic and i see no point in arguing with you.

 

[MMM-E]

Those warheads just proves me that your country is under American (NATO) boots. That's pathetic from you to hide behind belongings of others on your soil. It is very rich from you to call others pathetic and i see no point in arguing with you.

You have no balls and technology to fight like real brave men

hidding behind nuclear weapons as cowards ... so pathetic
only backward weak countries can hide behind nuclear weapons


Its NATO military alliance
and Germany,Italy,Turkiye,Belgium and The Netherlands hosts B-61 thermonuclear Bombs
( NATO's nuclear weapon sharing policy )

Japan , S.Korea also under protection

And Turkish F-16s to carry B-61 thermonuclear Bombs in a conflict ...
Turkiye did not allow American Jets to carry B-61 thermonuclear Bombs at Incirlik Air Base

 

[Foinikas]

Typical pathetic loser dreaming about backward countries
you have no balls and technology to fight like real brave men

hidding behind nuclear weapons as cowards


Its NATO military alliance
and Germany,Italy,Turkiye,Belgium and The Netherlands hosts B-61 thermonuclear Bombs
( NATO's nuclear weapon sharing policy )

And Turkish F-16s to carry B-61 thermonuclear Bombs in a conflict .....

Hey,I asked you a question. Why do you ignore it? Are you ashamed of your profession? You act big and mock others,but you are afraid to reply one simple question. What's the matter?

 

[Abid123]

hidding behind nuclear weapons as cowards ... so pathetic
only backward weak countries can hide behind nuclear weapons

So Russia, America, China, France, UK, India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea are all cowards That is combined 3.7 billion people. Almost of the worlds population are cowards

 

[MMM-E]

So Russia, America, China, France, UK, India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea are all cowards That is combined 3.7 billion. Almost of the worlds population are cowards

Russians are brave men ... they are fighting like real men in Ukraine instead of using nuclear weapons

on the other hand backward countries hidding behind nuclear weapons as cowards
because they dont have technology to fight with conventional weapons