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Pakistan ranked 7th, Turkey ranked 11th in latest GlobalFirePower rankings. Ukraine sees a massive rise.

Western militaries developed post-Cold War security paradigms based entirely on US cost-bearing. The US developed the technology, doctrine and equipment at the troop level to solve the initial system problems. In addition to training, doctrine and design, the creation of common military standards and standardization is largely a US gift to western militaries. It has positioned its domestic industry as a global supplier of subsystems and standardization.

Of course, this benefit relationship works both ways. In return, an Atlanticist structure has emerged in almost every western (or westernist) military bureaucracy. In addition to Europe and Far Asia, the United States has also become involved in the security policies of countries in Africa and Asia Minor through non-alliance cooperation outside its joint military alliances.

Leaving aside the bureaucracy and all the technical details that most people would not be interested in, as a more popular example, even the new generation of fighter jets, which are offered for joint use by allied powers, cannot be loaded with ammunition or update missions without US knowledge.

This creates a dependency-based paradigm for western militaries based on the US security umbrella. Perhaps France is a bit of an exception, but otherwise the armed forces of these countries, including the UK, have shifted their resources to non-security public spheres with low personnel and inventory levels. Until 2022, the most important agenda item at NATO meetings was the refusal of European countries to increase their defense budgets even to 2% of GDP. In this sense, the Ukraine war had a cold shower effect.

It is also important to recognize that inventory-based benchmarks, no matter how many quality-based sub-formulations they may have, are not a professional valuation method.

What you really need to examine in armies is their training and doctrine capabilities, and technically, their combat readiness. An army with state-of-the-art technology, according to its own parliamentary research commission, the combat readiness rate of its military helicopters is below 40%, and the rate for combat jets is around 60%. It is one of the world's industrial giants, it has a good military inventory, but when it comes to comparisons with real factors, it cannot hide the extent to which this country's US-based security policies have rendered its military inert.

In countries like Germany, the UK and Japan, which have a high capacity for technology development, these deficiencies can be completely covered in a 6-10 year projection. These countries can also make more independent strides in the field of military technology by reducing the Atlanticist bureaucracy within their bureaucracies. Whether this is politically possible or not is another debate, but technically they have the infrastructure. (In that case, we cannot even imagine the extent of the political turmoil in the countries, maybe the increasing risks and the fact that the world is being dragged into an increasingly serious global conflict is an advantage if used carefully)

For the Tier-B (big army and budget but direct dependence on supplier countries) countries that do not have this capability, the second major weakness emerges. No matter how many of the latest weapon systems you have in your inventory, no matter how good a military tradition and technical infrastructure you have, if you have military logistics based on foreign procurement, the deterrence of your armed forces is limited by the limits set by your main military suppliers.

Of course, even if all these are taken into account, it would be an incomplete study without the inclusion of dozens of other issues that are at least as important as the military inventory, such as the balance of nuclear weaponary or asymetric warfare etc.

In short, looking at the capability of an army, especially if it has logistics that are 60-70% dependent on foreign logistics, by looking only at its military inventory will produce extremely erroneous results. If an army does not have its own doctrines, does not have systems and systematics designed in accordance with this doctrine, and even if it does not have experience in coordinating even the imported systems in military exercises above the level of small units, then it is of no importance to talk about inventory.

Technology powerhouse countries can solve this weakness by austerity in other public areas. In other countries, defense enthusiasts will boast about their country's inventories, but in reality the only purpose of those inventories will be to import diplomatic support.

TL DR: Don't waste your time on these childish sites.
 
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I mean Turkey has exported their equipment more than India has exported by 100s of times more



 
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Iran entered Syria and will stay for decades
to fire missiles from Syria instead of from Iran

Palestine , Lebanon and now Syria ....

enjoy with it
Okay lol
1 Israeli company = Entire Turkish military industry + 600 million dollars tho
 
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Western militaries developed post-Cold War security paradigms based entirely on US cost-bearing. The US developed the technology, doctrine and equipment at the troop level to solve the initial system problems. In addition to training, doctrine and design, the creation of common military standards and standardization is largely a US gift to western militaries. It has positioned its domestic industry as a global supplier of subsystems and standardization.

Of course, this benefit relationship works both ways. In return, an Atlanticist structure has emerged in almost every western (or westernist) military bureaucracy. In addition to Europe and Far Asia, the United States has also become involved in the security policies of countries in Africa and Asia Minor through non-alliance cooperation outside its joint military alliances.

Leaving aside the bureaucracy and all the technical details that most people would not be interested in, as a more popular example, even the new generation of fighter jets, which are offered for joint use by allied powers, cannot be loaded with ammunition or update missions without US knowledge.

This creates a dependency-based paradigm for western militaries based on the US security umbrella. Perhaps France is a bit of an exception, but otherwise the armed forces of these countries, including the UK, have shifted their resources to non-security public spheres with low personnel and inventory levels. Until 2022, the most important agenda item at NATO meetings was the refusal of European countries to increase their defense budgets even to 2% of GDP. In this sense, the Ukraine war had a cold shower effect.

It is also important to recognize that inventory-based benchmarks, no matter how many quality-based sub-formulations they may have, are not a professional valuation method.

What you really need to examine in armies is their training and doctrine capabilities, and technically, their combat readiness. An army with state-of-the-art technology, according to its own parliamentary research commission, the combat readiness rate of its military helicopters is below 40%, and the rate for combat jets is around 60%. It is one of the world's industrial giants, it has a good military inventory, but when it comes to comparisons with real factors, it cannot hide the extent to which this country's US-based security policies have rendered its military inert.

In countries like Germany, the UK and Japan, which have a high capacity for technology development, these deficiencies can be completely covered in a 6-10 year projection. These countries can also make more independent strides in the field of military technology by reducing the Atlanticist bureaucracy within their bureaucracies. Whether this is politically possible or not is another debate, but technically they have the infrastructure.

For the Tier-B (big army and budget but direct dependence on supplier countries) countries that do not have this capability, the second major weakness emerges. No matter how many of the latest weapon systems you have in your inventory, no matter how good a military tradition and technical infrastructure you have, if you have military logistics based on foreign procurement, the deterrence of your armed forces is limited by the limits set by your main military suppliers.

Of course, even if all these are taken into account, it would be an incomplete study without the inclusion of dozens of other issues that are at least as important as the military inventory, such as the balance of nuclear terrorism and irregular warfare through postmodern/proxy forces.

In short, looking at the capability of an army, especially if it has logistics that are 60-70% dependent on foreign logistics, by looking only at its military inventory will produce extremely erroneous results. If an army does not have its own doctrines, does not have systems and systematics designed in accordance with this doctrine, and even if it does not have experience in coordinating even the imported systems in military exercises above the level of small units, then it is of no importance to talk about inventory.

Technology powerhouse countries can solve this weakness by austerity in other public areas. In other countries, defense enthusiasts will boast about their country's inventories, but in reality the only purpose of those inventories will be to import diplomatic support.

TL DR: Don't waste your time on these childish sites.
Look sites don't mean squat in a war. I find all that ranking silly. Just like History channel Top 10 videos that always somehow have an American weapon at number 1...
 
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Okay lol
1 Israeli company = Entire Turkish military industry + 600 million dollars tho

Keep dreaming dream is free

Turkish aviation industy = all Israeli defense industry


Israel only can dream about Turkish military projects

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tiny Israel doesnt have also Naval industry ..... so pathetic

Israel only can dream about it

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Keep dreaming dream is free

Turkish aviation industy = all Israeli defense industry


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Hahahaha, all of that and your entire weapons industry is less than one of our military companies
 
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Hahahaha, all of that and your entire weapons industry is less than one of our military companies


Turkish military projects = $75 billion
so enough to buy all Israeli companies

even Turkiye spent $100 billion for humanitarian aid ...

still dreaming about tiny Israel and mortar , truck mounted howitzer ,APS , UAV , targeting pod , a few electronic systems

so funny
 
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Turkish military projects = $75 billion
so enough to buy all Israeli companies

even Turkiye spent $100 billion for humanitarian aid ...

still dreaming about tiny Israel and mortar , truck mounted howitzer ,APS , targeting pod , a few electronic systems

so funny
Don't spam photos you potatohead.
 
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Turkish military projects = $75 billion
so enough to buy all Israeli companies

even Turkiye spent $100 billion for humanitarian aid ...

still dreaming about tiny Israel and mortar , truck mounted howitzer ,APS , UAV , targeting pod , a few electronic systems

so funny
LOL
1 Israeli company > all of Turkey's military industry
 
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IAI and Rafael have more experience and prestige. It's true. I'm not saying ASELSAN,TAI and Baykar are bad,but it's true.
Not only that, but they produce FAR more weapons.
Elbit alone exported 5.3 billion dollars worth of weapons and that's more than the whole Turkish defense industry
 
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Western militaries developed post-Cold War security paradigms based entirely on US cost-bearing. The US developed the technology, doctrine and equipment at the troop level to solve the initial system problems. In addition to training, doctrine and design, the creation of common military standards and standardization is largely a US gift to western militaries. It has positioned its domestic industry as a global supplier of subsystems and standardization.

Of course, this benefit relationship works both ways. In return, an Atlanticist structure has emerged in almost every western (or westernist) military bureaucracy. In addition to Europe and Far Asia, the United States has also become involved in the security policies of countries in Africa and Asia Minor through non-alliance cooperation outside its joint military alliances.

Leaving aside the bureaucracy and all the technical details that most people would not be interested in, as a more popular example, even the new generation of fighter jets, which are offered for joint use by allied powers, cannot be loaded with ammunition or update missions without US knowledge.

This creates a dependency-based paradigm for western militaries based on the US security umbrella. Perhaps France is a bit of an exception, but otherwise the armed forces of these countries, including the UK, have shifted their resources to non-security public spheres with low personnel and inventory levels. Until 2022, the most important agenda item at NATO meetings was the refusal of European countries to increase their defense budgets even to 2% of GDP. In this sense, the Ukraine war had a cold shower effect.

It is also important to recognize that inventory-based benchmarks, no matter how many quality-based sub-formulations they may have, are not a professional valuation method.

What you really need to examine in armies is their training and doctrine capabilities, and technically, their combat readiness. An army with state-of-the-art technology, according to its own parliamentary research commission, the combat readiness rate of its military helicopters is below 40%, and the rate for combat jets is around 60%. It is one of the world's industrial giants, it has a good military inventory, but when it comes to comparisons with real factors, it cannot hide the extent to which this country's US-based security policies have rendered its military inert.

In countries like Germany, the UK and Japan, which have a high capacity for technology development, these deficiencies can be completely covered in a 6-10 year projection. These countries can also make more independent strides in the field of military technology by reducing the Atlanticist bureaucracy within their bureaucracies. Whether this is politically possible or not is another debate, but technically they have the infrastructure. (In that case, we cannot even imagine the extent of the political turmoil in the countries, maybe the increasing risks and the fact that the world is being dragged into an increasingly serious global conflict is an advantage if used carefully)

For the Tier-B (big army and budget but direct dependence on supplier countries) countries that do not have this capability, the second major weakness emerges. No matter how many of the latest weapon systems you have in your inventory, no matter how good a military tradition and technical infrastructure you have, if you have military logistics based on foreign procurement, the deterrence of your armed forces is limited by the limits set by your main military suppliers.

Of course, even if all these are taken into account, it would be an incomplete study without the inclusion of dozens of other issues that are at least as important as the military inventory, such as the balance of nuclear terrorism and irregular warfare through postmodern/proxy forces.

In short, looking at the capability of an army, especially if it has logistics that are 60-70% dependent on foreign logistics, by looking only at its military inventory will produce extremely erroneous results. If an army does not have its own doctrines, does not have systems and systematics designed in accordance with this doctrine, and even if it does not have experience in coordinating even the imported systems in military exercises above the level of small units, then it is of no importance to talk about inventory.

Technology powerhouse countries can solve this weakness by austerity in other public areas. In other countries, defense enthusiasts will boast about their country's inventories, but in reality the only purpose of those inventories will be to import diplomatic support.

TL DR: Don't waste your time on these childish sites.
While I agree with you on your points, for some countries a strong defence industry is less meaningful than a large inventory. Pakistan is a good example for this. Pakistan’s enemy is right next to it and every inch of Pakistan is under Indian range. Even if Pakistan builds a defence industry like Germany or France, in a war it will all be rubble within days if not hours. Our country doesn’t have enough dept for them to be safe. Our largest supplier is right next to us so if we have a secure route to our supplier and a large stockpile of spares inside Pakistan that’s sufficient enough for us. For a long fought war we have a large and heavily armed population and difficult terrain so a long war would lead to a long insurgency in which we have good chances to win and our biggest supplier shares a border with us. Also nukes would be used if Pakistan lost lots of territory so we have that as backup. For France and Germany their biggest enemy is Russia which doesn’t share a border with them and is far enough from them for their industries to be safe in an event of conventional war. For Pakistan we can be producing our own fighter jets and ships but within the first days of war those factories and ship building docks would be levelled before they even produced anything to help us. A defence industry focusing on critical components which we can’t easily import is better for us. Even if a foreign power tried invading us like NATO type invasion, our defence industry would be levelled within hours. A large stockpile and large inventory of weapons and large manpower reserve would be what would help us win. We have lots of producers of small arms, too many for all to be taken out and as long as we have a large population and small arms + ammunition, we won’t be a walkover for anyone.
 
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IAI and Rafael have more experience and prestige. It's true. I'm not saying ASELSAN,TAI and Baykar are bad,but it's true.

what a joke ... more experience and prestige
Israel doesnt have technology to develop/produce aviation and naval projects

only UAVs ... nothing else ...
still daydreamers dreaming about so-called Israeli military industry ... so funny

our rival is France ... but not tiny Israel


Turkish military projects in 2023

-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- TISU unmanned stealth Bomber .... first flight
-- HURJET next gen trainer and light Fighter Jet ... first flight
-- TFX Fighter Jet ... roll out
-- T-625 utility Helicopter ... to be delivered
-- T-929 heavy Attack Helicopter ... first flight
-- ISTIF class Frigate ... to be delivered
-- TCG DERYA Sea Supply Combat Support Ship ... . to be delivered


I will salute all of you every month in 2023 ..... that will be so funny
 
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our rival is France ... but not tiny Israel
Who IS your rival anyway? Because every time you say "Oh our rival is not tiny Greece! Oh our rival is not tiny Israel! Oh our rival is not pathetic Egypt! Our rival is not Iran! Our rival is not France with their pathetic FREMM,our rival is not Russia who can't win in Ukraine,our rival is not pathetic Haftar,our rival is not Syria,our rival is not Iraq,our rival is not pathetic Germany,our rival is not low-quality China,our rival is not tiny Armenia"...

Who is your rival anyway? Who is a match for SUPER POWER TURKIYE-E-E--E?

Turkish military projects in 2023

-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- TISU unmanned stealth Bomber .... first flight
-- HURJET next gen trainer and light Fighter Jet ... first flight
-- TFX Fighter Jet ... roll out
-- T-625 utility Helicopter ... to be delivered
-- T-929 heavy Attack Helicopter ... first flight
-- ISTIF class Frigate ... to be delivered
-- TCG DERYA Sea Supply Combat Support Ship ... . to be delivered


I will salute all of you every month in 2023 ..... that will be so funny
To be delivered....some day....
 
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