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Pakistan plans to kill Indian envoy? Communication intercepts expose plot

Nice.. calling millions of people dumb... rich comming from a niger in lungi.

You were the one who started it..And I asked you to point out a single field where your baluchistan excels tamil nadu-any field..Since you cannot answer it,as your baluchistan is years behind tamil nadu in every single areas,you are sticking to your dumbness of insulting others.
 
Of course, one can surely question them bringing their entire war machinery to fight against rag tag militants - the disadvantage they have is numbers and it being a foreign land.

and, the terrain is also difficult in all the places where Indian paramilitary is engaged in - the saving grace is Indian forces have prevented the local populace from getting radicalized

The world's most advanced army shouldn't have any problem operating in a foreign land with a supply route keeping them well equipped all around the year . As for the numbers , they are similar in the battlefield , similar numbers of Pakistani soldiers and NATO are fighting the terrorists . I was sure you would have known this . So , why bring the modern machinery against rag tag militants again ? Again , you dont understand the intensity and roots of the conflict .

You know the terrain of the North West Pakistan , where the war is being fought ? I will not comment on the radicalization , because there will go the thread into dustbin .
 
Propaganda again
I Dont trust Sources of India today Newspaper

Indian Media why dont U Leave Pakistan alone

My dear friend it was not for your consumption..... It was for Indian high commission in Afghanistan and security agencies of afghanistan so that they can be prepared for it...... Now you believing it wont make any difference....and leaving pakistan alone i dont see it happening as long as the strategic depth and strategic assets are available......
 
Lalay stop answering the trolls questions... ain ki sui passi huwi hai...

I am seriously surprised at the people seeing a similarity of the Afghan conflict dating back decades with the conflicts in their country , since these are the same people who regularly comment in the Afghanistan section and commend the NATO and ANA efforts against the terrorists despite the difficult situation .
 
I am seriously surprised at the people seeing a similarity of the Afghan conflict dating back decades with the conflicts in their country , since these are the same people who regularly comment in the Afghanistan section and commend the NATO and ANA efforts against the terrorists despite the difficult situation .
@Secur, it's not about direct comparisons - I never ventured to make it out to one..

The point I started on was if one considers Pakistani troops engaging militants in its own soil as war then India's been at war since two and a half decades (intensity, methods, opponents wary), then I realized I was arguing with a numbskull.

You will agree that there are different ways of fighting wars - PA prefers to go all guns blazing and clear up areas - IA does it over a period of time keeping in mind the sensitivities of people residing in those areas and to not use over aggression.

both of our wars utilize the similar troops numbers and similar resources - we do it our way and you yours.
 
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@Secur, it's not about direct comparisons - I never ventured to make it out to one..

The point I started on was if one considers Pakistani troops engaging militants in its own soil as war then India's been at war since two and a half decades (intensity, methods, opponents wary), then I realized I was arguing with a numbskull.

You will agree that there are different ways of fighting wars - PA prefers to go all guns blazing and clear up areas - IA does it over a period of time keeping in mind the sensitivities of people residing in those areas and to not use over aggression.

both of our wars utilize the similar troops numbers and similar resources - we do it our way and you yours.

You are again showing your ignorance in such case , because a nation and a coalition of 53 countries will not , in the highest probability , make the same mistake of using heavy war equipment , unless and until there's a strong reason to do so .

Even Turks can claim that they have been with war with PKK for decades , the duration of course is of little importance in asymmetrical warfare due to its dynamics , because militants mostly resort to hit and run attacks instead of trying to capture and hold areas . Can they draw a parallel with the countries you list ? Same is true for your conflicts , the intensity and roots of the Afghan conflict is nothing , you can remotely compare with yourself . I suggest you have a look at it , from the very beginning instead of arguing uselessly , declaring both conflicts similar .

That is the problem , Pakistan Army or other paramilitary forces never go all guns blazing and trigger happy to clear up areas - there's a need to use artillery , gunships , aircraft and other equipment because of the terrain . They are well aware of the sensitivities of Pashtun people and the popular view of ' infidel army ' fighting for U.S . Bordering Afghanistan comes with problems , you cant imagine .

We haven't ever stationed ' classified number ' of troops in every nook and corner of North West Pakistan for you to draw a parallel even here :azn:
 
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You are again showing your ignorance in such case , because a nation and a coalition of 53 countries will not , in the highest probability , make the same mistake of using heavy war equipment , unless and until there's a strong reason to do so .

Even Turks can claim that they have been with war with PKK for decades , the duration of course is of little importance in asymmetrical warfare due to its dynamics , because militants mostly resort to hit and run attacks instead of trying to capture and hold areas . Can they draw a parallel with the countries you list ? Same is true for your conflicts , the intensity and roots of the Afghan conflict is nothing , you can remotely compare with yourself . I suggest you have a look at it , from the very beginning instead of arguing uselessly , declaring both conflicts similar .

That is the problem , Pakistan Army or other paramilitary forces never go all guns blazing and trigger happy to clear up areas - there's a need to use artillery , gunships , aircraft and other equipment because of the terrain . They are well aware of the sensitivities of Pashtun people and the popular view of ' infidel army ' fighting for U.S . Bordering Afghanistan comes with problems , you cant imagine .

We haven't ever stationed ' classified number ' of troops in every nook and corner of North West Pakistan for you to draw a parallel even here :azn:

Afghan conflict? where's your presence in the Afghan conflict, you are just a route - You and the NATO alliance don't even have the same enemy. They are fighting the Afghan Taliban and Al Qaeda and you are fighting the Pakistan Taliban.

Now, there have been scores of Pakistani's who have tried convincing all that the Pakistan taliban and Afghan taliban are different - so let's just say they are.

Fact of the matter is- and I don't think you are smart enough to gauge what I am saying when I say there are different ways to fight a war, put down a conflict or end an insurgency. India adopts the more humane and longer version while the marde momins go in with artillery, tanks, jets and heli's (I am talking about PA's South Waziristan, Swat operations). Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages, doesn't mean that we are not in a serious conflict - it's only that we do a better job in both managing and killing the retards and keeping the populace away from getting radicalized.
 
The killing fields of Afghanistan have again taken centre-stage. India has warned its ambassador to Kabul, Amar Sinha, of a plot by Pakistan-based bombers to assassinate him, and has recommended that he not leave home without a bullet-proof jacket nor travel in a convoy of less than three armoured Land Cruisers.

The warning of the specific threat to the ambassador's life is based on communication intercepts by New Delhi.

Sources privy to the communication told Mail Today the intercepts speak of the ISI paying half a million rupees to two militants of the Taliban's Haqqani network in Afghanistan to attack the Indian envoy two weeks ago.

Following the intercepts, there have been a slew of visits to Afghanistan. Deputy National Security Adviser Nehchal Sandhu, a former Director of the Intelligence Bureau, was in Afghanistan recently and met senior Afghan national security officials,

"It was a specific alert. A team of security officials was sent to Afghanistan for a security review and it has made some recommendations. Clearly the aim is to pin down our top diplomat so we back off from our work," a senior official told Mail Today.

The team, led by Malay Sinha, a police official in charge of security functions in the Foreign Office, comprised officials from the Research and Analysis Wing, Intelligence Bureau and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) that has commandos deployed to guard the Indian mission in Kabul besides its consulates in Kandahar, Heart, Jalalabad, and Mazar-e-Sharif.

Officials say that Sinha was called to Delhi for consultations and met senior officials, including Foreign Secretary Sujata Singh.

The recommendations include making it mandatory for the envoy to wear a bullet-proof jacket at all times when he goes out, not to get out of the car till it is in a security-cleared spot, to ensure that he only travels in a convoy of armoured vehicles always equipped with a jammer, and not to disclose the movements of the convoy to staffers till the last moment.

It has been recommended that his armoured Land Cruisers travel in a convoy of at least three vehicles and that the vehicle carrying the ambassador be shuffled within the convoy with a decoy vehicle.

While the security team is in the process of compiling its report, Indian officials have sensitised Afghan officials on the threat and the security of the Indian mission has been beefed up with more permanent security posts. While the outer cordon of the mission and security is provided by the Afghan police, the inner cordon and the close proximity team comprises ITBP commandos.

The input comes at a juncture when India is in the process of providing fresh assistance of $100 million to Kabul in addition to the $2 billion it spent on reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan that won the country enormous goodwill. The envoy, a diplomat with a distinguished career, was handpicked for his economic diplomacy skills. He has spent barely a month in Kabul. Diplomatic sources say the plan to attack the Indian diplomat is aimed at putting India's strategic outreach in Afghanistan on the backfoot.

"Pakistan has always sought to limit India's activities in Afghanistan and for this purpose has used a number of instruments, including an attempt to circumscribe the activities of Indian representatives, including Indian personnel involved in assistance projects," said Mr Vivek Katju, India's former ambassador to Afghanistan. "There is a valid reason for concluding the involvement of Pakistani state actors in violent attacks on Indian interests in Afghanistan, including our embassy," he added.

The Haqqani group, based in eastern Afghanistan and the Pakistani region of Waziristan, has been blamed by the Afghan, US and Indian governments for attacks on Kabul in the past three years against the Indian embassy, government ministries and hotels frequented by foreign diplomats and aid workers.

Pakistan's ISI has been directly linked to the July 2008 bombing of the Indian embassy that killed 54 people, including India's defence attache and a political counselor; Afghanistan's former Afghan intelligence director, Amrullah Saleh, had gone on record to confirm this.

Diplomatic sources say ISI officers have scuttled CIA efforts to kill or capture Haqqani network leaders by leaking details of the planned raids,

The role of the ISI in attacks on the Indian mission was corroborated by Mike Waltz, who worked in the US vice-president's office while George Bush was still President. "Through information and a series of events (not to mention preceding intelligence intercepts) it became pretty clear the Pakistanis were behind the (Jalaluddin) Haqqani network, which was behind the bombing," he had said. He then concluded, in a BBC documentary: "The question was how high in the Pakistani state this went. And the answer was pretty high."

The security situation in Afghanistan has been spiraling out of control in the run-up to 2014, when US-led forces are going to exit Afghanistan. The Taliban have been mounting deadly attacks and India will continue to be a soft target with Pakistan professing friendship on one hand and planning violent attacks against Indian diplomats on the other.

While India has been hit at will in Kabul, it has patiently played a diplomatic game of goodwill hunting even as its men are hunted. While beefing up the security of diplomats is fine, if New Delhi is looking for long-term strategic objectives in Afghanistan it will have to seek answers from Pakistan.


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oh , well ; hmm :what: ... aah let me see ! :undecided: oh boy what a killer evidence your intel has got here to blame I.S.I. :woot: why don't your india show this undeniable evidence in front of the world to prove your claim of PakisTan 's I.S.I. is responsible for indian embassy attack ... ? :azn:
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Afghan conflict? where's your presence in the Afghan conflict, you are just a route


Fact of the matter is- and I don't think you are smart enough to gauge what I am saying when I say there are different ways to fight a war

Where does the whole thing stem from ? Where do the militants in Pakistan receive support from ? Why exactly does the U.S and Kabul Govt look towards Pakistan to bring Taliban for negotiations ? What significance do the Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand Line have ? The term wasn't vague for you to have difficulty comprehending , at all . I said that you have no idea of the thing , you started arguing on , in my first post . The simple point was there is no similarity , none at all , with anything whatsoever you have faced in your country , from any militancy/secessionist movement .

When the other person isn't smart enough to realize the difference between both , the origins , the roots and dynamics and hell bent on declaring both similar without taking into account , the environment of the region and the geopolitics under which both took place . But then again he's eager to declare that ' there are different ways to fight a war ' without again getting the simple fact that ' this is a different war from its beginning ' . The radicalization of the society , forging an alliance with the Mullah brigade and taking part in two superpower's war was started by Zia-ul-Haq and since then , Pakistan has suffered from it . There's no denial but then again ' the war isn't the same ' .
 
Its not surprising that the rest of the world consider them as rogue nation. They should work hard on their conduct and image.ASAP
 
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