PAKISTAN PICKED THE RIGHT SPY CHIEF AND GOT THE RIGHT PEOPLE UPSET

[Pakistansdefender]

This is why I think ISI is way over-hyped. I think other agencies have been doing a better job than ISI. Why haven't we been able to create a Hussain Haqqani's in India. One got to became Director of Naval research in Pak Navy and the other managed to get his hands on Ambassador-ship. These are the one's that got exposed, there are still plenty more. There are more serious and violent seperationist movements happening in India(excluding Kashmir) but when ever we read something about Pakistan in International media is about either BLA, TTP or PTM, meanwhile India gets a free pass. I think things started going south in mush era then followed in PPP era and then continued in PMLN era. If I recall right we were fine before 9/11 in setting up a narrative....

Heck we are not been able to eliminate them.
And here you see fanboy praising isi . Isi is good agency but not top class agency , as it was hyped . So much terrorism happened in Pakistan but was isi able to stop it.
First we need to come out of this 'MAZLOOM SYNDROME' where everyone has done ill against us and we are the muzlooms , get up and do the very same with your neighbours too .
You have not been able to produce any hussain haqqani in India while common patriotic Pakistanis were taught and brainwashed into thinking against the state. Every Tom dick and Harry would start blaming the army and the state who is protecting them and you have not been able to achieve any forign policy objective with India or Afghanistan.
Similarly you have not only loose narrative in USA but instead you were not there to Lobby for yourself and you lost badly to the Indian narrative . Now nothing can be done with Us and only hope that the new administration would be different and our state would be able to convince them we are not what our neighbours tell us to be .
Cannot catch the crooks like Zardari and nawwaz. Cannot even stop money laundering. Cannot stop corruption.
Cannot even fence the border or have a proper border force.
Cannot even eliminate not more the 100 or so rebels in Afghanistan . Cannot bring normalcy to balochistan . Cannot change narrative of kalabagh dam... Cannot change narrative that was shaped by India against the state .

Agar dushman aur gaddaron ko mirchain lagii means he is right choice .Andrew Korybko also exposed Dr Ayesha Siddiqa and others very well

He seems to be only international journalist who support Pakistani narrative and I think he works independently maybe so not much use ?

ISI is doing a great job. But unlike others we don't brag about it. And in world media you don't listen about us because their agencies are among those who get their *** kicked so yes you won't have much coverage.

Come on dude. Don't become Haqeeqat TV guy who said that American company have drilled the biggest oil well and so Pakistani state with the fear from the America sealed it. Though they need money now but saving it don't know for when lolx.
We just overhype a lot . Nothing much happens . Killing one or two targets is not big achievement. They spawned and when you kill 1, 100 other originate. They fail to shape our narrative and normalise Pakistan just like other country where everything happens but countries work .

ISI is doing a great job. But unlike others we don't brag about it. And in world media you don't listen about us because their agencies are among those who get their *** kicked so yes you won't have much coverage.

When you say this you become another Indian who thinks his raw bashed Pakistani daily. Etc

As the hybridwar enters into final phase Pak State is announcing its own Formations.

Internally #CriminalEnterprise needs to dealt with.

Extrenally AF game in final phase..but then there is daesh to be dealt after that. It is going to be an SCO joint operations.

BLA/PTM and all other paid terrorists need to go down.

#DieselMullahs need to be neutralised that religion card cann't be played again.

And then there is #MarasiMedia #LifafaJurnos and #KhooniLiberals paid from abroad.

House cleaning phase!

So, thankyou to outgoing ISI Chief and welcome to new ISI Chief.

Imran khan has tried tackling this media and see what it made Imran khan... so he had to bow down .
Similarly musharaf tried to control but he lost his seat and 2 fake movements are started by the media one of lal masjid and the other Lawers movement that result in is removal . It is another of isi and state biggest failure . You have the worst kind of anti state media. Look at India and their media, they are pro state to the point of insanity and our media, are only machines to further the foreign narritive . Totally anti state and can make hero and zero anyone who pays more .

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

never a foreign's pet LOL

I sure hope not otherwise were doomed

Ethnicity is Pakistani ! When will we learn that we are all Pakistanis ?

That's rationality. Nothing wrong with being proud of your background

 

[Vortex]

I sure hope not otherwise were doomed


That's rationality. Nothing wrong with being proud of your background

Pakistan is made of all our individual background. We should learn to be proud of all of them. I agree there is nothing wrong to be proud of own background but asking ethnicity background of someone because he is head if one of our institutions is not wise. Especially when there is 5th gen war against us.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Pakistan is made of all our individual background. We should learn to be proud of all of them. I agree there is nothing wrong to be proud of own background but asking ethnicity background of someone because he is head if one of our institutions is not wise. Especially when there is 5th gen war against us.

Ya, his question was kinda of questionable, at most.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Ethnicity is Pakistani ! When will we learn that we are all Pakistanis ?

I think his question was innocent brother.

Chakwal district is one of the most beautiful places in Pakistan.

 

[Vortex]

I think his question was innocent brother.

Chakwal district is one of the most beautiful places in Pakistan.

Yes i know

But whenever i read a question like this one, i try to remind that Pakistan is made with all of us so no need to bring the ethnicity point. Sometimes i feel myself very sad because I’m unable to speak and understand all languages spoken in Pakistan so you can understand what i feel when i read this kind of question...

 

[Yaseen1]

ik is also considering to give extension to gen bajwa for next 3yrs so spy chief will follow same policy and there will be no change in stance of army

 

[BHarwana]

This is why I think ISI is way over-hyped. I think other agencies have been doing a better job than ISI. Why haven't we been able to create a Hussain Haqqani's in India. One got to became Director of Naval research in Pak Navy and the other managed to get his hands on Ambassador-ship. These are the one's that got exposed, there are still plenty more. There are more serious and violent seperationist movements happening in India(excluding Kashmir) but when ever we read something about Pakistan in International media is about either BLA, TTP or PTM, meanwhile India gets a free pass. I think things started going south in mush era then followed in PPP era and then continued in PMLN era. If I recall right we were fine before 9/11 in setting up a narrative....

Lol. You want to create Hussain haqani in India what will that do. How much successful Hussain haqani has been? He achieved nothing. It can be created in India everyday.
What ISI has created in India no one can create in next 100 years.

Bro you will never hear about what ISI did. ISI delivers results not gosip.

 

[CrazyZ]

Anyone that gets Husain Haqqani upset is all right by me.

 

[Armchair]

This is why I think ISI is way over-hyped. I think other agencies have been doing a better job than ISI. Why haven't we been able to create a Hussain Haqqani's in India. One got to became Director of Naval research in Pak Navy and the other managed to get his hands on Ambassador-ship. These are the one's that got exposed, there are still plenty more. There are more serious and violent seperationist movements happening in India(excluding Kashmir) but when ever we read something about Pakistan in International media is about either BLA, TTP or PTM, meanwhile India gets a free pass. I think things started going south in mush era then followed in PPP era and then continued in PMLN era. If I recall right we were fine before 9/11 in setting up a narrative....

The issue is deep rooted and draws fundamentally from Macauley's "Minute on Indian Education". As long as we have this A/O level education system with no meaningful Pakistani History and even a basic reading of the Quran in a language that is understandable, we will, by design, be creating an endless supply of Hossain Haqqanis. Institutionally the armed forces and the civil service has to be given an anti-liberal shot through changing the education system which the British specially engineered for this purpose.

 

[Death Professor]

ISI is doing a great job. But unlike others we don't brag about it. And in world media you don't listen about us because their agencies are among those who get their *** kicked so yes you won't have much coverage.

I don't agree with it, our agencies are good but not great. And about bragging, we are the ones who are always bragging like no. 3 best agency. Even the over-hype of our agency is created by our enemies, like Pakistan is controlled by ISI and Pakistan. Have you ever listened indians hyping their RAW? no, they even abuse RAW for doing jack shit(but in reality raw does things). And look at their achievements, Bangladesh(i know raw was created in '68 but there has to be some sort of agency before that), BLA, TTP, PTM, influence inside IRAN (which caused us to have sectarianism in the past) and having deep roots in current afghan government. And that all while being a non-muslim state. No other agency accept mossad had this level of success. Now I do know we have our agents in Indian Army and security institutions, but we haven't either penetrated in either American media or Indian media.

I would like to re-iterate our agency is good but its not great as we like to think.

Lol. You want to create Hussain haqani in India what will that do. How much successful Hussain haqani has been? He achieved nothing. It can be created in India everyday.
What ISI has created in India no one can create in next 100 years.

Bro you will never hear about what ISI did. ISI delivers results not gosip.

It's not just him, there are plenty of others like him and they sort of create a narrative against Pakistan which gets highlighted in the Media(both Indian and Western) which further popularizes peoples negative view of Pakistan. Now to you, narratives and views might mean nothing but as our DGISPR says this is fifth generation war. Apart from recent 27th feb, we had almost lost every other narrative war. I mean why was International community ok with giving India the green signal about bombing in Pakistan? in relation to current topic, whether they were successful on 26th or not, it doesn't matter. The issue is the international community was ok with what they did, and that as an institution, as foreign relations, as anything is nothing but a failure. We need to start looking at our mistakes and learning from them instead of over-hyping institutions. we are a nation of 200 m people and the enemy has found multiple holes to exploit and we weren't able to do the same to a nation of 1.3 B (there are holes all over there).

 

[Goku]

I think ISI has done a pretty good job against India while I think RAW has mostly failed. Look at Jammu and Kashmir , its still burning even after 70 years. And there are ISI agents infiltrated our security establishment , some get caught some dont , heck we even dont know the level of infiltration while our agencies are sleeping , we utterly failed during Kargil and subsequent terror attacks , Pakistan had only one big terror attack APS Peshawar while India had like 93 mumbai bomb blast , 2002 parliament attack , 2006 local blast ,2008 Mumbai attacks , 2016 Uri , 2019 Pulwama etc etc plus scores of Naxal attacks happening since 70s and also insurgency in north east , Khalistan movement etc

 

[SIPRA]

I think ISI has done a pretty good job against India while I think RAW has mostly failed. Look at Jammu and Kashmir , its still burning even after 70 years. And there are ISI agents infiltrated our security establishment , some get caught some dont , heck we even dont know the level of infiltration while our agencies are sleeping , we utterly failed during Kargil and subsequent terror attacks , Pakistan had only one big terror attack APS Peshawar while India had like 93 mumbai bomb blast , 2002 parliament attack , 2006 local blast ,2008 Mumbai attacks , 2016 Uri , 2019 Pulwama etc etc plus scores of Naxal attacks happening since 70s and also insurgency in north east , Khalistan movement etc

I don't agree. RAW is far far more successful than ISI. I agree with @Death Professor.

 

[Maarkhoor]

well, he is one the most good looking ISI Chiefs till date, that goes to his credit

 

[Reddington]

I don't agree with it, our agencies are good but not great. And about bragging, we are the ones who are always bragging like no. 3 best agency. Even the over-hype of our agency is created by our enemies, like Pakistan is controlled by ISI and Pakistan. Have you ever listened indians hyping their RAW? no, they even abuse RAW for doing jack shit(but in reality raw does things). And look at their achievements, Bangladesh(i know raw was created in '68 but there has to be some sort of agency before that), BLA, TTP, PTM, influence inside IRAN (which caused us to have sectarianism in the past) and having deep roots in current afghan government. And that all while being a non-muslim state. No other agency accept mossad had this level of success. Now I do know we have our agents in Indian Army and security institutions, but we haven't either penetrated in either American media or Indian media.

I would like to re-iterate our agency is good but its not great as we like to think.

I agree somewhat with what you have said. We should be more proactive rather than reactive against India. When India is sending terrorists then we should have supported Kashmir insurgency to the fullest.

However I would say that Pakistan since its inception always had Afghanistan which refused to accept Pakistan and started supporting insurgencies in Balochistan and KPK in cahoots with India to create Pashtunistan. While at the same time we have had incompetent rulers whether civilian or military and also had a very weak economy.

And in late 70's Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan while East Pakistan had just got separated few years earlier. ISI had to fight Soviets in Afghanistan and at the same time keep India at bay. To remove Soviets from Afghanistan while keeping India at bay was in itself a very impressive feat.

Then in the nineties when ISI really started supporting Kashmir freedom movement, ISI had to divert its resources to Afghanistan as Mujahidden were at each other throats. While all this time ISI had to run covert ops to smuggle nuclear related materials for our nuclear program.

Then after 9/11 USA invaded Afghanistan and then again we had to divert our resources on our Western border to keep the insurgency alive at a certain threshold while at the same time doing operation against AlQaida terrorists.

Also keep in mind that India was given a free hand by USA in Afghanistan and India with Northern Alliance government started sending in terrorists to Pakistan and if not for ISI Pakistan would have turned into another Syria.