‘Pakistan only opposed to exclusive membership of NSG for India’

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‘Pakistan only opposed to exclusive membership of NSG for India’
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Zamir Akram


ISLAMABAD: Former permanent representative at the United Nations in Geneva Zamir Akram said on Tuesday that Pakistan was only opposed to “exclusive membership” of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) for India.

He was speaking at a roundtable discussion organised by the Strategic Vision Institute (SVI), a think tank, on the implications of the upcoming plenary session of the NSG, which is expected to deliberate on membership for non-NPT states, including Pakistan and India. The NSG plenary session is being held on June 23-24 in Seoul.

Ambassador Akram’s comments follow remarks by Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj that India does not object to any country, including Pakistan, joining the NSG on merit.

“Pakistan supports the evolution of criteria that can be applied across the board,” Amb Akram said.

The Indian and Pakistani comments suggest that their respective campaigns for NSG entry had boiled down to ‘merit’ versus ‘criteria’.

India seeks a merit-based approach, which is primarily based on geopolitics and geo-economics. Pakistan, meanwhile, has been insisting on uniform and transparent criteria for non-NPT states. Both Pakistan and India have not signed NPT.

The Pakistani position is consistent with the Chinese stance on the matter. China is the leading challenger to the West-supported bid to get India into the 48-member nuclear trade cartel. According to the Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying, “China maintains that the NSG fully discuss the accession of non-NPT countries and make decisions based on consultation in a way acceptable to all”.

Some other countries, including a few of those which had earlier pledged support for Indian case, also voiced reservations over Indian candidature at a meeting of the group in Vienna on June 9.

Speaking at the roundtable, Amb Akram warned about the likely implications of a scenario in which India alone was admitted into the NSG, including dimming of future prospects for Pakistan’s entry into the club and likely growth in Indian nuclear arsenal.

SVI President Dr Zafar Iqbal Cheema said that India’s alone entry into the NSG would put back Pakistani efforts for developing its infrastructure and industry by decades. Therefore, he maintained, such an eventuality would have serious consequences for national security and economic and industrial development.

He observed that India was one of the worst proliferators, but Pakistan could not capitalise on it. He recalled that India once had scornful disdain for non-proliferation regimes, which has now been conveniently forgotten by the world.

Published in Dawn, June 22th, 2016


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[neem456]

One thing this article pointed out well, its meris vs criteria for india and pakistan respectively.

Lets see on 24th what other members take into consideration merit or just a plain criteria.

By merit only the nations who have clear non proliferation record are eligible to entry, but by criteria even NK, iran, iraq, and somalia are eligble.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

One thing this article pointed out well, its meris vs criteria for india and pakistan respectively.

Lets see on 24th what other members take into consideration merit or just a plain criteria.

By merit only the nations who have clear non proliferation record are eligible to entry, but by criteria even NK, iran, iraq, and somalia are eligble.

Yes exactly, the nations who have clear non prolifertion record are eligible to enter. Dont you think it bit odd that the NSG itself which was created after India hoodwinked the international community to conduct its "smiling buddha" nuke test back in 1974 should allow India in its fold when NSG itself was created as a response to Indian recklessness?

 

[neem456]

Yes exactly, the nations who have clear non prolifertion record are eligible to enter. Dont you think it bit odd that the NSG itself which was created after India hoodwinked the international community to conduct its "smiling buddha" nuke test back in 1974 should allow India in its fold when NSG itself was created as a response to Indian recklessness?

Let NSG decide then.
Its not wise that applicant itself be the judge if it is eligible for the entry.

I will only say that if the country (USA) who leaded this group to isolate india 40 year ago, now thinks otherwise and want to include india in its arms, then i dont think rest of the world should have any problem with it.
You people are busy badmouthing USA and its double standard, but remember if not for USA there would have not been any NSG itself, and there would have not been any isolation of india all this years. No other country had the balls to create NSG and isolate india. So one who isolated india at the expence of its own muscle power, is now reforming its policies and thinks otherwise, then i dont think rest of the world should have any problem. Same happened in 2008 when india got the waiver, only goes to show who the real power was 40 years ago, and is even today.

 

[VCheng]

He observed that India was one of the worst proliferators, but Pakistan could not capitalise on it. He recalled that India once had scornful disdain for non-proliferation regimes, which has now been conveniently forgotten by the world.

That statements speaks volumes about failures of Pakistani policies, and successes of Indian ones. Please note that I am not saying what is right or wrong here, but noting only that the rules of international geopolitics go by national interests and nothing else.

 

[Mufflerman]

If NSG does not allow India in because China vetos, it won't be long before another treaty replaces it and then nuclear trade will become a free for all.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Let NSG decide then.
Its not wise that applicant itself be the judge if it is eligible for the entry.

I will only say that if the country (USA) who leaded this group to isolate india 40 year ago, now thinks otherwise and want to include india in its arms, then i dont think rest of the world should have any problem with it.
You people are busy badmouthing USA and its double standard, but remember if not for USA there would have not been any NSG itself, and there would have not been any isolation of india all this years. No other country had the balls to create NSG and isolate india. So one who isolated india at the expence of its own muscle power, is now reforming its policies and thinks otherwise, then i dont think rest of the world should have any problem. Same happened in 2008 when india got the waiver, only goes to show who the real power was 40 years ago, and is even today.

Your were trying to be smart arse bringing into the issue of "proliferation" into this. I just pointed to the original sin for which NSG was made.

You are more then welcome to join NSG, after you have signed into the dotted lines of NPT, we have no issues with such arrangement.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

If NSG does not allow India in because China vetos, it won't be long before another treaty replaces it and then nuclear trade will become a free for all.

And how would that benefit America? The prospect of more countries acquiring nuke power and giving middle finger to American hegemony in future. Do you think America will let it happen for the sake of India?

 

[Mufflerman]

And how would that benefit America? The prospect of more countries acquiring nuke power and giving middle finger to American hegemony in future. Do you think America will let it happen for the sake of India?

The only country in he p5 that proliferates is China. Go figure.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

The only country in he p5 that proliferates is China. Go figure.

well lets see.
American nuke program was the result of proliferation from germany after WW2.
American proliferated to UK and France.
France proliferated to Isreal along with America.
Canada proliferated to India along with west in general.
Poor Germans , the one who were working on the tech are not even nuke power these days.

Again my question to you is, would America allow creation of more nukes powers if a new "free for all" arrangement just for the sake of India is introduced?

 

[neem456]

If NSG does not allow India in because China vetos, it won't be long before another treaty replaces it and then nuclear trade will become a free for all.

Nopes that will not happen.
USA is trying hard to minimise the nuke stock in the world, they will never allow such a chaos of free nuke trade.

 

[Mufflerman]

well lets see.
American nuke program was the result of proliferation from germany after WW2.
American proliferated to UK and France.
France proliferated to Isreal along with America.
Canada proliferated to India along with west in general.
Poor Germans , the one who were working on the tech are not even nuke power these days.

Again my question to you is, would America allow creation of more nukes powers if a new "free for all" arrangement just for the sake of India is introduced?

Ok

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Ok

You haven't answered me.

 

[Mufflerman]

You haven't answered me.

Horse, water and all that.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Horse, water and all that.

I see you are newbie here.

Just understand, India is just a pawn in bigger scheme of things. You lot would be better off understanding your true worth and limitations and work within.