he is talking about ballistic missiles using x band radar... obviously that target is not on surface but high in air and curvature of earth wont effect it at that distance.... it will further off
Bro,
Google "radar
refraction" phenomenon.
And;
"The SBX-1 serves as the largest and most sophisticated phased array electro-mechanically steered X-band radar in the world. Steering electronically within its field of coverage and mechanically in azimuth and elevation allows the radar to track a full 360 degrees in azimuth and about 90 degrees in elevation from near the horizon to the zenith. As a result, the radar can track objects as they fly toward, over, and away from the vessel." - MDA
SBX-1 is by far the largest, most powerful and sophisticated radar system in existence (and in service), capable of detecting and tracking a wide-range of targets in real-time and provide 360 degree coverage of such threats (a radius that is 5000 miles across with SBX-1 at is center).
As if this monster was not enough, space-based
SIBRS network provides global coverage for similar objectives.
This video show 6 [SIBRS class] satellites in orbit but 9 [SIBRS class] satellites are in orbit, as of 2018. In-fact, there is another surveillance network in space known as DSP which is also employed for similar objectives.
FYI:
https://missilethreat.csis.org/sensors-command-control/
"No missile defense system is better than the sensors and command and control systems that determine where the threat is and how to kill it. While interceptors tend to capture the imagination, sensors are the underappreciated backbone of missile defense operations. Sensors are required across the entire intercept cycle: early warning, tracking, fire control, discrimination, and kill assessment. Homeland missile defense depends on sensor information from a wide array of ground- and sea-based radars as well as overhead satellites (Table 5.1)."
So true.
These assets - in combination - make it possible for relevant American agencies to detect launch of any type of missile from virtually any corner of Earth and track its movement in real-time from safe distance. This information can be relayed to an American missile defense system [stationed anywhere] in order to enable it to intercept a target as soon as it comes within its range. USN vessels can also take cues from these surveillance assets to enable them to intercept missiles from virtually any angle outside their on-board detection capacity.
target will not be acquired by himmat it self.... 700 km is based on declared range of babur.. I would add 30% more to range
You are quoting "maximum" declared range of Babur-II cruise missile. Naval variants have "maximum" declared range of 450 KM. In-fact, can you provide solid evidence of validation of these ranges in our tests?
It is as much likely to exaggerate actual range of a missile for propaganda purposes. For example, range of Shaheen-II ballistic missile was [officially]
overstated at 2500 KM for propaganda purposes until Shaheen-III was ready; Shaheen-II has a confirmed range of 1500 KM whereas Shaheen-III has a confirmed range of 2750 KM in live testing.
it will depend on target as you are using USN as example... they have some very high value targets
Perhaps.
However, we do not have a large number of cruise missiles in our inventory yet. We haven't even inducted Shaheen-III ballistic missile yet although it was tested in 2015.
These weapons are really expensive and our defense budget is much lower than that of India due to the shape of our economy.
real war... never shot down in real war....
Bro,
Purpose of
live testing is to ensure that a weapon will work in a "combat situation."
In-fact, our testing methods involve [fixed] targets but American testing methods have gone a step further by incorporating [mobile] targets.
the shuper dupper Israeli warship failed to even detect 1960s cm
Israeli war-machine is decent enough for regional challenges but American war-machine is built for global challenges (a class-apart from others).
Aegis defense system has no peer across the world in the maritime environment by far.
possible but actually there are several versions of this report .... sea sparrow was fired.... to best of my knowledge there is no official kill at least they cannot confirm it hit the target... but jamming and counter measures were able to weer the missile of target....
It is common practice to withhold [sensitive] information from public consumption. Two cruise missiles were unloaded on USS MASON and both missed their mark - sufficient evidence for "wise people." Same cruise missile took out a naval asset of UAE [while in motion] in a separate incident earlier, so it is quiet potent and capable.
"In October 2016, Houthi rebels launched numerous anti-ship cruise missiles at vessels operating off the coast of Yemen. Targeted in the attacks were ships operated by the United States and the United Arab Emirates. Houthis, armed with anti-ship cruise missiles, first fired at a transport vessel operated by the UAE. The vessel was severely damaged in the attack, and damage to the ship indicated that the Houthis used a Chinese-made C-802 anti-ship cruise missile.
A week later, the USS Mason (DDG-87), a U.S. Arleigh-Burke class guided missile destroyer, was attacked with a salvo of anti-ship cruise missiles fired by the Houthis. Using Standard Missile-2 and Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile interceptors, the USS Mason was able to defuse the incoming attack. The USS Mason was attacked again several times that month, each time using defense measures to thwart Houthi anti-ship cruise missiles."
Source:
http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/m...days-missile-threat/non-state-actors/houthis/
Very telling.
this problem of jamming and countermeasures affects supersonic missiles to far more extent than to high subsonic cruise missiles ... as supersonic ones are detected far earlier .... and target has a lot more time to jam the seeker or deceive it
Perhaps.
You are correct in pointing out that subsonic sea skimming cruise missiles are a proven method of defeating a wide-range of threats across sea and land. This is a preferred method of attack by USN vessels as well [from vast distances] because countermeasures against them are not good enough [outside USN itself].
US has pioneered many defense-related and commercial technologies over the course of years. They have ample resources and R&D capability to experiment with, as they please. What they develop and export to other countries, they develop countermeasures against it [for personal use]. Now, whatever they disclose for public consumption - who knows how much of it is accurate. They are known to spread disinformation at times and also to conceal certain realities from public for security-related considerations. The wealth of information we tend to receive on the internet is through efforts of various Think Tanks and professionals. However, even they are tight-lipped about extremely sensitive matters on average.
USN is by far the largest and most sophisticated maritime force in the world. It enables US to project power in distant corners of Earth at will - a feat that no other country is in the position to replicate anytime soon due to shortage of resources and other factors. And US is not taking any chances.
What if US has to fight UK at some point? Superiority is a must.
I agree with netcentric and power of radars and all that... and answer is going stealthier not going larger.....
Good point.
Nonetheless, American surveillance technologies operate in:
1. X-band
2. S-band
3. L-band
4. UHF-band
5. Infrared
6. Variable wave-band
- at present.
Nobody has the resources and capabilities to negate such a multi-layered surveillance apparatus at present or even in the foreseeable future.
Rumors are surfacing that US will [weaponize] its space-based assets in the near future. Top-secret ZUMA might be a step in this direction.
plus I do hope pak navy is bit more sophisticated than hizbis or houtis....
Sophistication and firepower of some militias will surprise you.
TTP was able to engage Pakistan Army in pitched battles and even reverse gains made by Pakistan Army at times. Pakistan Army lost 700 soldiers in Operation Zarb-e-Azb alone, and TTP was relatively weak during this time in comparison to what it used to be during the days of Baitullah Mehsud. Now, keep in mind that CIA softened resistance of TTP with a large number of drone strikes over the course of years, starting with assassination of Baitullah Mehsud.
Hezbollah in Lebanon and Houthi in Yemen are among the most powerful militia in existence. I think that Israel needed more time to defeat Hezbollah but was out of luck due to international pressure.
ISIS eclipsed every other militia in capabilities, and it took collective efforts of US, Iran, Russia, Turkey, YPG militia, Iraqi armed forces and Syrian armed forces to take it out. Although US did the heavy-lifting in this matter (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve); USAF recorded 30,000 strikes on ISIS-related targets across Iraq and Syria in a span of 3 straight years and American troops were granted the responsibility to mobilize and coordinate resistance efforts against ISIS on the ground via Iraqi armed forces in Iraq and YPG militia in Syria. Others acted on their own accord wherever possible. Thankfully, ISIS is no more.
ISIS-K in Afghanistan is a distinct movement comprising elements of TTP, Afghan Taliban and Indians. US has softened it to large extent but its ambitions in Afghanistan are [suspect] at the moment.
How these militias prop up, is the question we need to ask. US does have a history of propping up militias to advance its objectives at times. Conflicts are good for business after all.
in 2005, attack on iran was called off as it was felt Iranians were planning to target US carier battle group using same sea skimming slow moving missiles.... they have even selected the time to do swarm attack... that was when carrier was recovering its air born assets so the defences will be confused between friendlies and hostiles....
you can google and find the statements of USN officials to senate standing committee...
Bro,
A lot has changed since 2005 and a lot will change in the near future. USN is evolving at a rapid pace and much of the capabilities that I have pointed out to you are post-2005 developments. You won't believe how much has changed since 2005.
Iran threatened to close Straight of Hormuz in 2011 and even mobilized its maritime force for this objective but USN also began to deploy in the same region in force and Iran eventually backed out.
harba is no super duper weapon that will change the world dynamics (like dyndralles guns were in 1400s or nukes to date) but its no right off either... that's all I am saying.....
I don't underestimate the power of USN for second
It is a very good addition to the arsenal of PN and good enough for regional threats.
India is our primary focus.
After 9, there are serious errors in the above graphic. Iraq doesn't have a bigger budget than Turkey and KSA, nor enough ability to even match that as its a war torn country and would require years to re-build her economy!! And Israel's budget isn't listed properly either. Their budget is always classified!.
This information is from IISS, a British Think Tank and a very well-informed one.
monstrosity to search for cruise missiles....
