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@The Eagle kindly remove the useless discussion from previous pages of the thread.
Pakistan navy post 2020 - Future Plans
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Turkey is actively marketing the Zargana system. It is known to have been exported to Indonesia for their own Type-209 submarines. And Turkey is upgrading some of Pakistan’s Agosta class submarines with the system. These French designed boats will carry part of Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent in the form of the Babur cruise missile.
Turkey is also developing an indigenous submarine which may use the system.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutt...vy-submarine-spotted-with-new-defense-system/
Turkey is also developing an indigenous submarine which may use the system.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutt...vy-submarine-spotted-with-new-defense-system/
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I don't understand how we start a thread which is suppose to be purely Pakistan Navy Post 2020 Future Plans and it gets derailed by some idiots obsessed with a non-existant israeli laviio jet. Gotta be a real couch potato to be dragging into an argument, deliberately trolling on this thread. I would suggest to our Chinese friends to ignore buffoons who are essentially brain-dead, for lack of a better description.
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bhai I have no authority ....
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Considering what is happening across the border with Muslim I still suggest we grab the extra 4 Destroyer ships from China
4 Destroyers ready and available
4 Destroyers ready and available
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This is PAk NAVY modernization thread, you can post these pics in PLAAN thread in Chinese sectionChinese fleet （two 054A and a large supply ship）visits Canada
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what is wrong with you?
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Now you both will have to learn to not to derail topics either by instigating or feeding trolls. Furthermore, the one with use of proxy/vpn really needs to share correct flag & current location.
Permanent thread ban is also issued and if found involved in similar violation over the Forum at any discussion; a permanent Forum Ban will be issued without any reminder to both of you. This is an open warning and a last chance to correct your act on the Forum.
Regards,
Didn't get the notification as sometimes inbox & notification is like swarming. Done the needful though.
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With the advent of Harbah, you dont need VLS launched LACM. You need more Harbah with better and longer ranges. This enables you to have both SSM and LACM in one missile. The VLS for the time being is better served with long range SAMs. You wont bw able to get off shots at Indian mainland with your fleet sunk beneath the waves.
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The PN supply chain is getting complex by the year / decade.
From 1948 onwards, the UK was the main supplier as the PN was carved out of the then Royal Indian Navy.
The US joined the UK from 1954 onwards as it signed a MAP (Mutual Assistance Pact) and Pakistan subsequently joined CENTO and SEATO, two military alliances to encircle Soviet Russia and Red China.
After the wars of 1965 and 1971 and imposition of sanctions by the US, Pakistan expanded its search for suppliers and France entered as a supplier in 1970.
After the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in1980, the US once again became the leading supplier of major platforms for the navy.
In the meantime the PAF was fast developing a dependable supply chain with China and the navy also followed suit albeit in a small way.
US imposed further sanctions in 1988/89 to curb Pakistan's nuclear ambitions and the defunct defense relationship with the UK was also revived to a certain extent.
PN had major suppliers at this point in France, China and the UK.
911 in 2001 saw Pakistan again in the embrace of the US and was also declared a MNNA (Major Non NATO Ally).
By 2014 with the US unsuccessfully mired in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and needed a whipping boy to blame, military aid was once again suspended until Pakistan DID MORE.
This broke the camels back and the rigid military establishment finally realized that the west and particularly the US and France were not dependable suppliers of military hardware.
Now China has become Pakistan's No.1 supplier of military hardware with Turkey and Italy also vying for the major share of Pakistan's military supply chain.
Pakistan Navy is trying to gradually upgrade its fleet. Its strategy of acquisition (European, Chinese, Turkish ships ...) shows that Pakistan does not want to "put all their eggs in one basket".... Despite this progressive modernization, the Pakistani fleet can compete with the incredible growth in its main "state enemy"...the Indian Navy.
The year 2018-20 is witnessing a major recapitalization of the PN surface and sub-surface fleet.
The retirements:
6 Tariq
(Tariq, Babur, Khaibar, Badr, Shah Jahan, Tippu Sultan). 3200/3700 tons, 117 meters (ex British type 21). Transferred by 1993/1994, now ageing ships, likely to be progressively retired through 2010’s but delayed as the US stopped supply of EDA Perry Class FFGs (to be upgraded). only a single example supplied after a US 80m$ refurbishment. The Type 21 Tariq Class will be retired once the Chinese Type 54A/P are inducted probably from 2021 onwards.
1 Alamgir
(Alamgir). 4100 tons, 138 meters (Ex 1980’s US O.H Perry FFG). Transferred by 2010, to remain in Pakistani service for at least 10/15 mores year, until mid 2020’s. To be used as a Training Ship or retired.
2 Agosta 70
(Hashmat, Hurmat). 1200/1700 tons, 67+ meters (French Agosta 70 SSK design). Commissioned by 1979/1980. upgraded in the late 90s. now in storage and to be permanently retired once the Chinese SSKs are commissioned.
3 Midget Submarine
3 MG-110
110+ tons, 27+ meters (Italian design). Commissioned by 1988+. to be retired once PN selects a newer platform, probably Italian.
2 Jalalat II
(Jalalat, Shujaat). Commissioned by 1997/1999. due for upgrade or retirement.
1 Larkana
(Larkana). first ever indigenously designed and developed fast patrol craft by Pakistan Naval Dockyard. Commissioned by 1994. due for upgrade or retirement.
1 Rajshahi
(Rajshahi). 115/140 tons, 36+ meters (1960’s British built). Commissioned by 1966, now fully obsolete ship, to be replaced by a newer Chinese built craft by early 2010’s. retired.
Status of 2 others FAC unclear (Jurrat, Quwwat)
Maybe Jurrat was a former Chinese "Hegu" or "Hoku" (a Chinese version of the Russian "Komar") FAC ?, transferred by 1981.
Maybe Quwwat was a former Chinese "Huangfen" FAC (a Chinese version of the Russian "Osa I"),? Transferred by 1984.
All the above FACs are reported to be replaced by the Azmat Class 500T FAC startiing in 2011-12.
6 Fast Attack Missiles Crafts
Up to 2 newer 500 FAC. designated AZMAT Class.
500 tons, ordered from China by late 2010, likely to be completed by 2011/2012…
1 Poolster (Fleet Tanker)
(Moawin). (ex 1960’s Dutch AO). Transferred by 1994. to be retired once the Turkish fleet tanker is commissioned.
1 Behr Paima (hydrographic survey vessel)
(Behr E Paima). Japanese built. Commissioned by 1982. to be retired as a new replacement is inducted.
New Arrivals:
8/10 Frigates
Up to 4 newer Frigates
Expected to be received by 2021++. The 3 main options considered by the Pakistanis were:
Buy 2 second-hand Chinese Type 054 Frigates (F-525/526).
Buy 3 or 4 Improved F-22P (Tentatively named “F-23P”, These may be an improved variant incorporating features of the Type 054A frigates...).
Buy 3 or 4 Chinese Type 054A Frigates (these FFG are “the state of the art” of Chinese fleet and the Chinese were reluctant to share their latest technology with another country. In the end a modified version known as Type 54A/P was agreed upon. once inducted they will be designated as F-22PII …).
Cost: US 1.2-1.5 B$
+/- 5 Submarines
From 3 to Up to 8 newer SSK’s.
Since mid 2000's, the Pakistan Navy plans to buy 3 to 8 new submarines to replace the ageing Agosta 70’s SSK. After considering many SSK designs (Hispano / French Scorpene, French Marlin SSK’s, German Type 214…).
Finally decided to purchase up to 8 Chinese SSK’s after the offer of long-term soft loans by the Chinese government worth US 4-5B$.
A new export model S20 with Chinese / French AIP systems which is a combination of the Chinese 039 Song and the 041 Yuan class submarines. delivery to start by as early as 2022-23. 4 boats to be built in china and plans for building 4 at the Karachi Dockyards are underway.
1 Fleet Tanker built with Turkish collaboration inducted recently. Moawin II.
Mid-Shore & In-Shore Patrol Boats
2 MRTP 33
(Zarrar, Karrar). Up to 6 others crafts were planned.
2 MRTP 15
(01-02). Turkish built IPV.
12 Gulf patrol Crafts.
5 patrol Crafts
(US Built). Delivered by 2010.
Small Amphibious Crafts
12 Hovercrafts
(12 Griffon) for the PN marines
on Order:
4 MILGEM OPV / Corvettes.(ADA Class)
2 OPV from DAMEN. PNS Yarmook handed over to PN recently.
New Navy Bases:
Jinnah Naval Base (JNB) at Ormara along the 1.046 KM Makran coast, touted to be the major naval submarine base.
Pasni Naval Air station for deployment of PN air assets like P3C Orion LRASW aircraft.
coming Naval Aviation.
From 1948 onwards, the UK was the main supplier as the PN was carved out of the then Royal Indian Navy.
The US joined the UK from 1954 onwards as it signed a MAP (Mutual Assistance Pact) and Pakistan subsequently joined CENTO and SEATO, two military alliances to encircle Soviet Russia and Red China.
After the wars of 1965 and 1971 and imposition of sanctions by the US, Pakistan expanded its search for suppliers and France entered as a supplier in 1970.
After the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in1980, the US once again became the leading supplier of major platforms for the navy.
In the meantime the PAF was fast developing a dependable supply chain with China and the navy also followed suit albeit in a small way.
US imposed further sanctions in 1988/89 to curb Pakistan's nuclear ambitions and the defunct defense relationship with the UK was also revived to a certain extent.
PN had major suppliers at this point in France, China and the UK.
911 in 2001 saw Pakistan again in the embrace of the US and was also declared a MNNA (Major Non NATO Ally).
By 2014 with the US unsuccessfully mired in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and needed a whipping boy to blame, military aid was once again suspended until Pakistan DID MORE.
This broke the camels back and the rigid military establishment finally realized that the west and particularly the US and France were not dependable suppliers of military hardware.
Now China has become Pakistan's No.1 supplier of military hardware with Turkey and Italy also vying for the major share of Pakistan's military supply chain.
Pakistan Navy is trying to gradually upgrade its fleet. Its strategy of acquisition (European, Chinese, Turkish ships ...) shows that Pakistan does not want to "put all their eggs in one basket".... Despite this progressive modernization, the Pakistani fleet can compete with the incredible growth in its main "state enemy"...the Indian Navy.
The year 2018-20 is witnessing a major recapitalization of the PN surface and sub-surface fleet.
The retirements:
6 Tariq
(Tariq, Babur, Khaibar, Badr, Shah Jahan, Tippu Sultan). 3200/3700 tons, 117 meters (ex British type 21). Transferred by 1993/1994, now ageing ships, likely to be progressively retired through 2010’s but delayed as the US stopped supply of EDA Perry Class FFGs (to be upgraded). only a single example supplied after a US 80m$ refurbishment. The Type 21 Tariq Class will be retired once the Chinese Type 54A/P are inducted probably from 2021 onwards.
1 Alamgir
(Alamgir). 4100 tons, 138 meters (Ex 1980’s US O.H Perry FFG). Transferred by 2010, to remain in Pakistani service for at least 10/15 mores year, until mid 2020’s. To be used as a Training Ship or retired.
2 Agosta 70
(Hashmat, Hurmat). 1200/1700 tons, 67+ meters (French Agosta 70 SSK design). Commissioned by 1979/1980. upgraded in the late 90s. now in storage and to be permanently retired once the Chinese SSKs are commissioned.
3 Midget Submarine
3 MG-110
110+ tons, 27+ meters (Italian design). Commissioned by 1988+. to be retired once PN selects a newer platform, probably Italian.
2 Jalalat II
(Jalalat, Shujaat). Commissioned by 1997/1999. due for upgrade or retirement.
1 Larkana
(Larkana). first ever indigenously designed and developed fast patrol craft by Pakistan Naval Dockyard. Commissioned by 1994. due for upgrade or retirement.
1 Rajshahi
(Rajshahi). 115/140 tons, 36+ meters (1960’s British built). Commissioned by 1966, now fully obsolete ship, to be replaced by a newer Chinese built craft by early 2010’s. retired.
Status of 2 others FAC unclear (Jurrat, Quwwat)
Maybe Jurrat was a former Chinese "Hegu" or "Hoku" (a Chinese version of the Russian "Komar") FAC ?, transferred by 1981.
Maybe Quwwat was a former Chinese "Huangfen" FAC (a Chinese version of the Russian "Osa I"),? Transferred by 1984.
All the above FACs are reported to be replaced by the Azmat Class 500T FAC startiing in 2011-12.
6 Fast Attack Missiles Crafts
Up to 2 newer 500 FAC. designated AZMAT Class.
500 tons, ordered from China by late 2010, likely to be completed by 2011/2012…
1 Poolster (Fleet Tanker)
(Moawin). (ex 1960’s Dutch AO). Transferred by 1994. to be retired once the Turkish fleet tanker is commissioned.
1 Behr Paima (hydrographic survey vessel)
(Behr E Paima). Japanese built. Commissioned by 1982. to be retired as a new replacement is inducted.
New Arrivals:
8/10 Frigates
Up to 4 newer Frigates
Expected to be received by 2021++. The 3 main options considered by the Pakistanis were:
Buy 2 second-hand Chinese Type 054 Frigates (F-525/526).
Buy 3 or 4 Improved F-22P (Tentatively named “F-23P”, These may be an improved variant incorporating features of the Type 054A frigates...).
Buy 3 or 4 Chinese Type 054A Frigates (these FFG are “the state of the art” of Chinese fleet and the Chinese were reluctant to share their latest technology with another country. In the end a modified version known as Type 54A/P was agreed upon. once inducted they will be designated as F-22PII …).
Cost: US 1.2-1.5 B$
+/- 5 Submarines
From 3 to Up to 8 newer SSK’s.
Since mid 2000's, the Pakistan Navy plans to buy 3 to 8 new submarines to replace the ageing Agosta 70’s SSK. After considering many SSK designs (Hispano / French Scorpene, French Marlin SSK’s, German Type 214…).
Finally decided to purchase up to 8 Chinese SSK’s after the offer of long-term soft loans by the Chinese government worth US 4-5B$.
A new export model S20 with Chinese / French AIP systems which is a combination of the Chinese 039 Song and the 041 Yuan class submarines. delivery to start by as early as 2022-23. 4 boats to be built in china and plans for building 4 at the Karachi Dockyards are underway.
1 Fleet Tanker built with Turkish collaboration inducted recently. Moawin II.
Mid-Shore & In-Shore Patrol Boats
2 MRTP 33
(Zarrar, Karrar). Up to 6 others crafts were planned.
2 MRTP 15
(01-02). Turkish built IPV.
12 Gulf patrol Crafts.
5 patrol Crafts
(US Built). Delivered by 2010.
Small Amphibious Crafts
12 Hovercrafts
(12 Griffon) for the PN marines
on Order:
4 MILGEM OPV / Corvettes.(ADA Class)
2 OPV from DAMEN. PNS Yarmook handed over to PN recently.
New Navy Bases:
Jinnah Naval Base (JNB) at Ormara along the 1.046 KM Makran coast, touted to be the major naval submarine base.
Pasni Naval Air station for deployment of PN air assets like P3C Orion LRASW aircraft.
coming Naval Aviation.
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NAVAL AVIATION
Aircraft:
7 P-3C Orion (Maritime Patrol). 5 remaining examples as 2 aircraft were destroyed in a brazen terrorist attack on PNS Mehran. the US refused to supply the attrition losses.
7 Fokker F27-200 Friendship. multi-role aircraft MPA/transport in the process of retirement. to be gradually replaced by ATR-42 aircraft in a similar role. 2 ATRs already inducted recently.
Hawker 850 (transport, liaison, communication). in service with plans for 3 additional examples.
2 Breguet Atlantique I (unserviceable). now retired.
13 Mirage IIIEP and 10 Mirage V PA3 with AM-39 anti-ship missiles capable. based at PAF Base Masroor. subordinated to the Navy in the Anti-Ship Role. Gradually being replaced by the newer JF17 Block II with the C802 ASM as well as the AKG400.
Helicopters
6 Lynx Mk3 (unserviceable). came in the Type21 FFG (Tariq Class) deal. for sale.
6 Sea-King Mk 45 (ASW). a further 5 2nd-Hand examples purchased for attrition replacement and spares from the UK.
6 to 8 SA-319 Alouette III (2 SA-319B & 4 SA-316…). SAR role. now being retired.
5 Z-9EC (ASW). based with the F22P (Sword Class) FFG. plans to upgrade to the ED model delayed. a further 6-8 Z9ers planned in the ASW/SAR role once the Type 54A/P FFG are inducted.
Plans to induct single example of a LRMPA announced recently.
A new Naval Aviation Base along the Makran coast is being built.
Aircraft:
7 P-3C Orion (Maritime Patrol). 5 remaining examples as 2 aircraft were destroyed in a brazen terrorist attack on PNS Mehran. the US refused to supply the attrition losses.
7 Fokker F27-200 Friendship. multi-role aircraft MPA/transport in the process of retirement. to be gradually replaced by ATR-42 aircraft in a similar role. 2 ATRs already inducted recently.
Hawker 850 (transport, liaison, communication). in service with plans for 3 additional examples.
2 Breguet Atlantique I (unserviceable). now retired.
13 Mirage IIIEP and 10 Mirage V PA3 with AM-39 anti-ship missiles capable. based at PAF Base Masroor. subordinated to the Navy in the Anti-Ship Role. Gradually being replaced by the newer JF17 Block II with the C802 ASM as well as the AKG400.
Helicopters
6 Lynx Mk3 (unserviceable). came in the Type21 FFG (Tariq Class) deal. for sale.
6 Sea-King Mk 45 (ASW). a further 5 2nd-Hand examples purchased for attrition replacement and spares from the UK.
6 to 8 SA-319 Alouette III (2 SA-319B & 4 SA-316…). SAR role. now being retired.
5 Z-9EC (ASW). based with the F22P (Sword Class) FFG. plans to upgrade to the ED model delayed. a further 6-8 Z9ers planned in the ASW/SAR role once the Type 54A/P FFG are inducted.
Plans to induct single example of a LRMPA announced recently.
A new Naval Aviation Base along the Makran coast is being built.
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Not sure have to look for it. It's a lot to go through. Try search, I may be wrong.
Here;
This comes on the heels of a 2017 order announcement by Pakistan for two 75m Corvettes from Swiftships, with an option for two more in 2020.
https://swiftships.com/swiftly-redefining-tomorrows-navies-today/
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