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[Manticore]

 

[sweetgrape]

Pakistan build the forth F-22P

 

[Manticore]

The renowned Pakistani Naval expert and journalist Usman Ansari mentioned in his article in the May issue of the Warships International, about the Aman 2013 exercise, that Pakistani Navy has acquired the GENESIS combat management system for its Perry class frigate F-260 PNS Alamgir.
This is the first official acknowledgement that Turkey has sold the GENESIS CMS to Pakistani Navy, thought this has been rumored in Turkish for a couple of years. This is the first export success of the GENESIS CMS.


GENESIS was conceived by the Research, Project Development, Department of Turkish Navy. They built a prototype as a proof of concept and developed the system to the full extend. After the system got enough maturity the GENESIS project was handed over to Turkish defence contractor Havelsan for further improvement, serial production and international marketing.


The GENESIS was created to update the old CIC of the Perry class frigates and replace all legacy consoles, displays with modern multifunction operator consoles. More importantly with the implementation of GENESIS all existing sensors and weapon systems of the Perry class frigates will be able to communicate with each other. This system enhances the ships’ situation awareness and accelerates the defense capabilities, decreasing the detect-to-engage reaction time by more than half.


F-492 TCG Gemlik was the first ship to receive the GENESIS system.
As is GENESIS is marketable to almost all second-hand PERRY class frigate users. Thus Pakistani Navy becomes the first foreign user of the GENESIS CMS. Of course important questions like when the deal was signed what is the value of the contract what is the delivery time line are remain unanswered yet.

 

[Penguin]

Why not adopt a version of GENESIS for domestically built F22P 'batch 3'?

 

[alimobin memon]

Pakistan Navy perry class frigate are fitted with Rim 66 ? MR system. IF not than according to many internet sites and sources PN has the RIM 66 Standard version unkown in the armaments .

 

[Nishan_101]

Now is there any chance that PN would be designing their own choice of Equipment with Chinese:
Friagtes 3800 tons
Corvettes 2100 tons
FAC 700 tons

 

[khanasifm]

one big difference which is evident is reloding of fm90 Sam on f54 with total
of 16 Sam vs just 8 on f22, in picture you can see re-loading structure behind the fm90 Sam

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/type054jiangkai.asp


4 vs. 2 close in weapon systems/guns is another , range is another plus which for PN may not be an issues as 4k vs 5k plus who care PN is not going to fight in world seas

 

[Penguin]

Pakistan Navy perry class frigate are fitted with Rim 66 ? MR system. IF not than according to many internet sites and sources PN has the RIM 66 Standard version unkown in the armaments .

Perry-class PNS Alamgir does not have a functional Mk13 rail launcher with 40 round magazine and carries no Standard Missiles. Keep in mind PN used to operate Brooke and Garcia class frigates leased from the US in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The Brooke class operated a Mk 22 rail launcher similar to the Mk13 but with magazine capacity of only 16 rounds. PN may have some Standard missiles left from that period.

 

[Penguin]

one big difference which is evident is reloding of fm90 Sam on f54 with total
of 16 Sam vs just 8 on f22, in picture you can see re-loading structure behind the fm90 Sam

Type 054 Jiangkai-I Class Missile Frigate - SinoDefence.com


4 vs. 2 close in weapon systems/guns is another , range is another plus which for PN may not be an issues as 4k vs 5k plus who care PN is not going to fight in world seas

While 054 may have assisted reloading, that does not mean F22P carries only 8 rounds. Other imagery exists showing PLAN ships with this missile, but no reloading mechanism, being reloaded manually: by crew manhandling missiles.

054 does not have the same CIWS as F22p and also not the same main gun. That would be logisitical drawbacks. Further, there are only 2 type 054s produced (and production has switched to 054A, which does not use fm/90 at all and has same main gun and similar CIWS to F22P)

 

[alimobin memon]

Wikipedia is not a valid source However We also cant say its wrong. According to Pakistan navy section of Wikipedia. The the last 3 of the 4 F22p's are larger and have more Weaponry. Is it true ?

 

[Gentelman]

Wikipedia is not a valid source However We also cant say its wrong. According to Pakistan navy section of Wikipedia. The the last 3 of the 4 F22p's are larger and have more Weaponry. Is it true ?

bullshit……
yeah it can be possible that some weaponary is not fitted and it would later be fitted after purchasing from europeans rather than using Chineese weaponary……
but noone can surely say that…

 

[Penguin]

Wikipedia is not a valid source However We also cant say its wrong. According to Pakistan navy section of Wikipedia. The the last 3 of the 4 F22p's are larger and have more Weaponry. Is it true ?

Balony. THere are plenty of wiki pages with extensive referencing of verifiable sources in print and online. THere is no reason not to use those pages. Though, clearly, it is upon the user to verify the accuracy of the content independently.

You are referring to this segment:

According to Admiral Noman Bashir, Chief of Naval Staff of Pakistan Navy, the Navy intends to expand its fleet of F-22P frigates from the current four by constructing more ships. These may be an improved variant incorporating features of the Type 054A frigate, possibly designated F-23P, for which discussions have been held between Pakistan and China.

F-22P Zulfiquar-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The source given is Pakistan needs more F-22Ps, not Type 054A
Note the word MAY and POSSIBLY > this is speculation.

All that is said in this article is 'we need to come up with an improved version of the F22P that is closer to Type 054". The source article doesn't say BIGGER. Nor does it say MORE ARMAMENT. It merely says UPGRADING.

Upgrading implies sticking with the original design and putting more modern (as in newer generation) systems on them. E.g. replacing HQ7/FM90 with a small VL SAM, e.g. using more advanced sensors, e.g. using a more modern combat management system.

 

[alimobin memon]

Balony. THere are plenty of wiki pages with extensive referencing of verifiable sources in print and online. THere is no reason not to use those pages. Though, clearly, it is upon the user to verify the accuracy of the content independently.

You are referring to this segment:

F-22P Zulfiquar-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The source given is Pakistan needs more F-22Ps, not Type 054A
Note the word MAY and POSSIBLY > this is speculation.

All that is said in this article is 'we need to come up with an improved version of the F22P that is closer to Type 054". The source article doesn't say BIGGER. Nor does it say MORE ARMAMENT. It merely says UPGRADING.

Upgrading implies sticking with the original design and putting more modern (as in newer generation) systems on them. E.g. replacing HQ7/FM90 with a small VL SAM, e.g. using more advanced sensors, e.g. using a more modern combat management system.

Wow Someone edit the page then, what I have said are the exact words that were written before :/

 

[muse]

May issue of the Warships International, about the Aman 2013 exercise, that Pakistani Navy has acquired the GENESIS combat management system for its Perry class frigate F-260 PNS Alamgir.
GENESIS was conceived by the Research, Project Development, Department of Turkish Navy. The GENESIS was created to update the old CIC of the Perry class frigates and replace all legacy consoles, displays with modern multifunction operator consoles. More importantly with the implementation of GENESIS all existing sensors and weapon systems of the Perry class frigates will be able to communicate with each other. This system enhances the ships’ situation awareness and accelerates the defense capabilities, decreasing the detect-to-engage reaction time by more than half.
Of course important questions like when the deal was signed what is the value of the contract what is the delivery time line are remain unanswered yet.

This is a bit confusing to me, and perhaps more knowledgeably members can help --- That the US would not appreciate non-Western systems on a warship they granted to the PN, however, the GENESIS system, if the report is correct is on the ALAMGIR, but if the GENESIS syetm is not on othetr PN warships, what's the logic??

 

[SQ8]

This is a bit confusing to me, and perhaps more knowledgeably members can help --- That the US would not appreciate non-Western systems on a warship they granted to the PN, however, the GENESIS system, if the report is correct is on the ALAMGIR, but if the GENESIS syetm is not on othetr PN warships, what's the logic??

The Genesis system or compatibility with the Genesis system may be integrated with the rest of the PN fleet due to it being a Turkish system. Moreover, Genesis does provide increased response time along with SA.