Pakistan must not be used for terror, Singh tells Zardari

[IceCold]

^^^

Read that again. I said if you want to claim something disputed as per international law, then you should also stay away from using terrorism as per international law.

First of all we are not claiming it, it is a fact that kashmir is a disputed territory and secondly because of the disputed nature of the territory and India's reluctance to accept it( though it was India that took Kashmir to the UN in the first place) freedom struggle was and still is justified and we fully support that.
However we are not supporting any such movement inside India because we consider those areas as soverign parts of India and neither do we compare those areas with Kashmir and the same should be applied to you guys as well relating Baluchistan with Kashmir will make you look stupid.

 

[waraich66]

look who's talking , very strange mandki ko zukam ho gia hai


India supported Makti bhani and LTTE and responsible for agression in Kashmir and hydrabad.

India had learnt good lesson for their agressive policies, even new generation of indians rejected BJP due its hindu nationalist agenda.

But again ,

India involved in suspecious activities in Afghanistan and also have plan to get benefit of oil resources from Central Asia states through Iran.

 

[notsuperstitious]

First of all we are not claiming it, it is a fact that kashmir is a disputed territory and secondly because of the disputed nature of the territory and India's reluctance to accept it( though it was India that took Kashmir to the UN in the first place) freedom struggle was and still is justified and we fully support that.
However we are not supporting any such movement inside India because we consider those areas as soverign parts of India and neither do we compare those areas with Kashmir and the same should be applied to you guys as well relating Baluchistan with Kashmir will make you look stupid.

You repeating that terrorism is justified in 'disputed' territories but not elsewhere makes you look really stupid, but thats your problem.

Terrorism has great dividends, enjoy.

 

[afriend]

First of all we are not claiming it, it is a fact that kashmir is a disputed territory and secondly because of the disputed nature of the territory and India's reluctance to accept it( though it was India that took Kashmir to the UN in the first place) freedom struggle was and still is justified and we fully support that.
However we are not supporting any such movement inside India because we consider those areas as soverign parts of India and neither do we compare those areas with Kashmir and the same should be applied to you guys as well relating Baluchistan with Kashmir will make you look stupid.

According to you, since Kashmir is a disputed territory between TWO countries supporting freedom struggle is ok. Where as if there is no
dispute between two countries then the freedom struggle of a state is not ok..!!! I would say your logic clearly states your intentions, Pakistanis desire for the physical land mass of Kashmir rather than independence aspirations of kashmir.

Having said that i would like to add, aspirations for freedom is not wrong, India too earned it independence largely through NON VIOLENCE.

But supporting armed struggles and killing innocent people by the terrorists, by your support is not acceptable to india. And this have necessitated for a harder control over Kashmir by armed forces. We dont like it.. kashmiris dont like it.. but we are forced to do it.

You might know in kashmir there are many people who have chosen the peaceful path and they are called speratists and not terrorists. So india will definitely hear the speratists but not the terrorists.

That is why india is saying stop your support to those groups and then we will talk..!!! I hope you now understand..!!!!

 

[soldRoMeo1]

First of all we are not claiming it, it is a fact that kashmir is a disputed territory and secondly because of the disputed nature of the territory and India\\\'s reluctance to accept it( though it was India that took Kashmir to the UN in the first place) freedom struggle was and still is justified and we fully support that.
However we are not supporting any such movement inside India because we consider those areas as soverign parts of India and neither do we compare those areas with Kashmir and the same should be applied to you guys as well relating Baluchistan with Kashmir will make you look stupid.

So we have two Pakistanis here accepting they support terrorism...cool.
So i guess Mr. Zardari was right to be dumbfounded by MM's statement. Nothing wrong here then, the threads title should be changed to " Zardari meekly accepts Manmohan's charge of terrorism". We can then discuss the details of why and who after that.

 

[IceCold]

According to you, since Kashmir is a disputed territory between TWO countries supporting freedom struggle is ok. Where as if there is no
dispute between two countries then the freedom struggle of a state is not ok..!!! I would say your logic clearly states your intentions, Pakistanis desire for the physical land mass of Kashmir rather than independence aspirations of kashmir.

Having said that i would like to add, aspirations for freedom is not wrong, India too earned it independence largely through NON VIOLENCE.

But supporting armed struggles and killing innocent people by the terrorists, by your support is not acceptable to india. And this have necessitated for a harder control over Kashmir by armed forces. We dont like it.. kashmiris dont like it.. but we are forced to do it.

You might know in kashmir there are many people who have chosen the peaceful path and they are called speratists and not terrorists. So india will definitely hear the speratists but not the terrorists.

That is why india is saying stop your support to those groups and then we will talk..!!! I hope you now understand..!!!!

Since you did not get the first time let me try to put it through your thick skulls again. Kashmir isnt your dad's property neither was it given to you inherently so your calling of the freedom struggle as terrorism is laughable because in the end people of that area will make that call since they were the ones who started it in the first place. We support that struggle and we will continue to do so.
Since you guys are to numbskulls to understand the difference i was mentioning above between a disputed territory and a soverign part of a country, it would be useless to carry on with the debate and further derail the thread.

So we have two Pakistanis here accepting they support terrorism...cool.
So i guess Mr. Zardari was right to be dumbfounded by MM's statement. Nothing wrong here then, the threads title should be changed to " Zardari meekly accepts Manmohan's charge of terrorism". We can then discuss the details of why and who after that.

Wake up kid and smell the coffee. Twisting my words to suit your Indian flavor wont change the fact i just mentioned above.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

and india must not use afghanistan or its own soil for terror against Pakistan or Pakistani interests in the region.

 

[Spitfighter]

Since you did not get the first time let me try to put it through your thick skulls again. Kashmir isnt your dad's property neither was it given to you inherently so your calling of the freedom struggle as terrorism is laughable because in the end people of that area will make that call since they were the ones who started it in the first place. We support that struggle and we will continue to do so.
Since you guys are to numbskulls to understand the difference i was mentioning above between a disputed territory and a soverign part of a country, it would be useless to carry on with the debate and further derail the thread.

Wake up kid and smell the coffee. Twisting my words to suit your Indian flavor wont change the fact i just mentioned above.

Here's what you need to get through your thick skull, Kashmir isn't your dad's property either. Pakistan doesn't simply support the Kashmiri Indp' movement, it wants to annex Kashmir. Because that isn't feasible today, you will likely try and control it through proxy groups. If Pakistan wanted a free Kashmir, then what about ***, you conveniently named it 'Azad Kashmir'. This is Pakistan's idea of freedom.

Many Pakistanis think that just because Kashmir is a Muslim majority state, it should belong to them, there is this false sense of victimization, that Pakistan was given the shorter end of the stick during the partition, you wanted more and you were willing to take it by force. This explains the wars in '48 and '65.

There was no independence movement then so what were you attacking for? I have heard numerous members here say things like 'Kashmir banega Pakistan', so lets not beat around the bush, Pakistan consistently failed to take Kashmir by force and so it resorted to covert tactics and launched an ideological battle, a battle I fear India may lose if the counter productive actions of some soldiers go unpunished. We risk giving credibility to the insurgents (something they're trying to address by the way)

If Pakistan wishes to live in peace with India, then it will have to do some serious introspection and formulate a new approach. If its Kashmiri Independence you want, then both countries will have to make sacrifices. Supporting the 'freedom struggle' will only serve to heighten tensions further and will eventually result in a war since you can only have so much control over madmen, a small country like Sri Lanka fought a civil for 25 years, so its pointless trying to coerce India by force, it will give the crazy's on our side an excuse to do the same, and South Asia will remain as the Africa of Asia. The violence needs to stop if peace is to be given a chance and there's only one way of doing that.

And I haven't read your previous posts, but you mentioned something about disputed territories and sovereign parts of a country. If you were somehow implying that this makes military action acceptable along the LoC then you are wrong.

if you didn't, then my bad, just trying to cover all the bases here.

 

[Spitfighter]

What? whats wrong with saying P O K?, only proves my point further though.

 

[afriend]

Since you did not get the first time let me try to put it through your thick skulls again. Kashmir isnt your dad's property neither was it given to you inherently so your calling of the freedom struggle as terrorism is laughable because in the end people of that area will make that call since they were the ones who started it in the first place. We support that struggle and we will continue to do so.
Since you guys are to numbskulls to understand the difference i was mentioning above between a disputed territory and a soverign part of a country, it would be useless to carry on with the debate and further derail the thread.

Wake up kid and smell the coffee. Twisting my words to suit your Indian flavor wont change the fact i just mentioned above.

Its very unfortunate that you are not able to comprehend what i just said and is funny to see you beat all around the bush. I assume you are a kid. Lemme put it in simple way,

1. india doesnt call freedom struggle as per you or sepratism as we call it, as terrorism.
2. WE Call, armed struggle and killing of innocent civilians to terrorist them to stay with the cause as terrorism. And india wants you to stop that.
3. We have some sepratists leaders in kashmir whom we call seperatists and not Terrorists they are free to conduct their business expect when they want to disrupt the rights of kashmiris to exercise their franchise in indian elections(you may also note the lone sepratist who contested the polls lost miserably)
4. We are forced to increase our troops in kashmir because of Terrorism and not seperatism.

Hence i hope by now you have understood i am not contesting the disputed status of kashmir or the independence aspirations of some kashmiris, but merely explaining the situations we have now in our hand

And to be frank, i don't know on the basis of what RELATION you are supporting kashmir's struggle(or armed terrorism) .

 

[XYON]

Let's hang the terrorist spy Sarabjit Singh for (despite India's frantic appeals for......mercy??!!??) killing innocent Pakistanis and then send a photo of his hung body on a postcard to Manmohan Singh to remind him on who is actually terrorizing on whose territory!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

This is Pakistan's idea of freedom.

Pakistan's idea of freedom is to implement the underlying principle of the UNSC resolutions that both India and Pakistan committed to - allowing the people of J&K to determine their final status.

 

[soldRoMeo1]

Did the UNSC ask you to arm and support armed mujahids across the LOC as well?

Did the UNSC resolutions mention that Pakistan could spread terror in Kashmir if India reneged on its promise.

Does the UNSC support your actions now.

Do you have a mandate from the people of Kashmir to 'free' them by spreading terror?

 

[Spitfighter]

Pakistan's idea of freedom is to implement the underlying principle of the UNSC resolutions that both India and Pakistan committed to - allowing the people of J&K to determine their final status.

How can Pakistan expect India to abide by anything after 3 unprovoked wars? Why should India abide by anything after the violence Pakistan imposed on Kashmir for 2 decades? and why doesn't Pakistan show us how its done and allow the people of Azad Kashmir to decide their status?

(and what's wrong with abbreviating Pakistani occupied Kashmir?)

Peace was never given a chance, the people of Kashmir were forcibly thrust into a never ending spiral of violence and chaos and had no semblance of a normal life for almost a quarter of a century, under these conditions, where Pakistan has continuously tried to lead the outcome in its favor, India simply has no reason to abide by any resolution. Let there be peace, the people need to see a normal life and the benefits of being part of the Indian republic, only then can there be a free and fair decision, and from what I've read so far, it seems we're headed in right direction. Pakistan simply needs to make sure peace prevails, this carrot and stick approach will only lead us in circles for another 60 years, anyone that seeks to disturb the peace needs to be put out of business, Pakistan hasn't taken any credible action yet and unless that happens, we will be locked in this perpetual quagmire.

 

[IceCold]

Here's what you need to get through your thick skull, Kashmir isn't your dad's property either. Pakistan doesn't simply support the Kashmiri Indp' movement, it wants to annex Kashmir. Because that isn't feasible today, you will likely try and control it through proxy groups. If Pakistan wanted a free Kashmir, then what about ***, you conveniently named it 'Azad Kashmir'. This is Pakistan's idea of freedom.

Many Pakistanis think that just because Kashmir is a Muslim majority state, it should belong to them, there is this false sense of victimization, that Pakistan was given the shorter end of the stick during the partition, you wanted more and you were willing to take it by force. This explains the wars in '48 and '65.

There was no independence movement then so what were you attacking for? I have heard numerous members here say things like 'Kashmir banega Pakistan', so lets not beat around the bush, Pakistan consistently failed to take Kashmir by force and so it resorted to covert tactics and launched an ideological battle, a battle I fear India may lose if the counter productive actions of some soldiers go unpunished. We risk giving credibility to the insurgents (something they're trying to address by the way)

If Pakistan wishes to live in peace with India, then it will have to do some serious introspection and formulate a new approach. If its Kashmiri Independence you want, then both countries will have to make sacrifices. Supporting the 'freedom struggle' will only serve to heighten tensions further and will eventually result in a war since you can only have so much control over madmen, a small country like Sri Lanka fought a civil for 25 years, so its pointless trying to coerce India by force, it will give the crazy's on our side an excuse to do the same, and South Asia will remain as the Africa of Asia. The violence needs to stop if peace is to be given a chance and there's only one way of doing that.

And I haven't read your previous posts, but you mentioned something about disputed territories and sovereign parts of a country. If you were somehow implying that this makes military action acceptable along the LoC then you are wrong.

if you didn't, then my bad, just trying to cover all the bases here.

You need to increase your level of knowledge as we never claimed Kashmir as ours however you guys do it all the time. Should i remind you who calls Kashmir its atoot anag, certainly not us.