Pakistan Missile Technology

[Joodi]

By the way, let not discuss such scenerio of US v/s Pakistan conflict. Iraq and afghanistan are sufficient to keep them buzi till qayamat.
There should be some other reason (except USA and isreal) for ICBM program to be launched.
Any decision to initiate ICBM program, can not be made only on theories of any possible Pakistan/US military conflict.
A decision in this respect will be a Hard core military decisions based on comprehensive threat analysis to our national security, keeping in view the regional & international implications

 

[JK!]

Watch a film called "the sum of all fears" starring Ben Affleck.

It features an escaltion of tension between the US and Russia and there is a scene where a US aircraft carrrier is taken out by a squadron of TU22 bombers with Anti ship missiles as well as other tit for tat strikes.

 

[Joodi]

Dear i have seen that movie but better take it as a movie only, where hero always comes out victorious. Last week there was a program discovery channel " future weapons" it was regarding the US aircraft carrier in the gulf region.
The documentary shows the complete arsenal on the air craft carrier. but the punch line came at the end of program when the commander of the air craft carrier himself said. "No matter what ever equipment we have on carrier, a well planed strike can destroy us surely.

 

[IceCold]

Dear i have seen that movie but better take it as a movie only, where hero always comes out victorious. Last week there was a program discovery channel " future weapons" it was regarding the US aircraft carrier in the gulf region.
The documentary shows the complete arsenal on the air craft carrier. but the punch line came at the end of program when the commander of the air craft carrier himself said. "No matter what ever equipment we have on carrier, a well planed strike can destroy us surely.

Well you do need to take the comments of the commander with a pinch of salt. The reason is that americans are known for their BS in terms of threat assessments. Remember that US once said that only the F-22 in the US airforce can outperform the chinese J-10 no other jet can whereas J-10 in reality is as capable as a block 40 F-16. They just wana continue their huge military spendings which can only be justified if they keep the american public into constant fear and that is why statements like these are made to initiate fear.

 

[IceCold]

Possibility of fruitfull retaliation against USA is much lesser with an ICBM. we needs 15000+km ICBM . An ICBM launched to hit US soil will be intercepted easily by US in half way. US missile defense shiled is not just in alaska. Allied nato countries in europe are also coming under US missile defnse shield.




I know aircraft carrier is equiped to handle all types of threat, from sea, submarine, air and land. But every navy persons admits that no ship or aircraft carreir is invincible no matter how advance it is . An aircraft carrier is much easier target to be destroyed as compared to try to directly hitt a supreme power military power country with an ICBM.

Cruise missile, Anti ship missile , submarine launched missiles, aircraft jets there are dozens of different options available to destroy any aircraft carrier. Despite all defense system on an air craft carrier any country with good air, navy and missile capabilities can easily destroy air carft carrier in open sea. Half a dozen cruise missile launched simultaneously along with exocist missiles can do the job. we have best anti ship missiles.

It is one hell of a task to neutrilize pakistan strike capabilities. We needs more advance missiles systems but, ICBM against USA or allied nato countries will not do the required job.

Perhaps they can be taken out but like i said we are not talking about firing them, the threat to fire them is sufficent itself to keep US at bay. However once we do get an ICBM another possibility can be that we make an SLBM or for that matter SLCM. There can be number of options but to bring the US main land into the range is a threat in itself big enough to keep US from any misadventure.

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

Possibility of fruitfull retaliation against USA is much lesser with an ICBM. we needs 15000+km ICBM . An ICBM launched to hit US soil will be intercepted easily by US in half way. US missile defense shiled is not just in alaska. Allied nato countries in europe are also coming under US missile defnse shield.




I know aircraft carrier is equiped to handle all types of threat, from sea, submarine, air and land. But every navy persons admits that no ship or aircraft carreir is invincible no matter how advance it is . An aircraft carrier is much easier target to be destroyed as compared to try to directly hitt a supreme power military power country with an ICBM.

Cruise missile, Anti ship missile , submarine launched missiles, aircraft jets there are dozens of different options available to destroy any aircraft carrier. Despite all defense system on an air craft carrier any country with good air, navy and missile capabilities can easily destroy air carft carrier in open sea. Half a dozen cruise missile launched simultaneously along with exocist missiles can do the job. we have best anti ship missiles.

It is one hell of a task to neutrilize pakistan strike capabilities. We needs more advance missiles systems but, ICBM against USA or allied nato countries will not do the required job.

I think you are a bit naive when stating regarding destroying an aircraft career, do you know what is its operational radius, do you think that they will be in your littoral waters for you to fire missiles at them, what about their rest of the battle group each specialising in attack, air defence and asw roles, what kind of planes do you have that you hope to achieve such range, the russians had a huge naval airwing just dedicated tio cariier strike group, what about the kind of missile interceptiion technology they have mind you each CBG also comes with their submarine escort. If your more interested in this subject i recomment you to read the carrer strike group penetration thread at World affairs board forum's navy section.

 

[MOSABJA]

First of all even if Pakistan has the capability to hit Israel then the US will not even dare to attack Pakistan.Israel is the heart of US.

Remember that US didnt attack north Korea since it could hit South Korea.


But yes we do need to have ICBMs .Since Indian Akash can intercept the IRBMs and MRBMs .

So we need ICBMs and Long range Cruise missiles and super sonic cruise missiles.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

it's highly unlikely we would actually manage to strike the country you just mentioned. with an amount of warheads outnumbering china, uk, and france and with an unmatched BMD, they really don't have anything to worry about except RPG's and suicide bombers.

india's BMD is useless against our MIRV'ed missiles. even if they can shoot our missiles and warheads down, pakistan still has an unknown amount of warheads even the US has trouble figuring out.

besides that, no one can exactly say whether pakistan is making an icbm or not. my guess is that by 2010, insha'Allah, we will have it. however, i doubt, we would test it, let alone reveal it. unless there's a dire need to test the missile, like the nuclear tests in 98.

 

[Keysersoze]

Dear i have seen that movie but better take it as a movie only, where hero always comes out victorious. Last week there was a program discovery channel " future weapons" it was regarding the US aircraft carrier in the gulf region.
The documentary shows the complete arsenal on the air craft carrier. but the punch line came at the end of program when the commander of the air craft carrier himself said. "No matter what ever equipment we have on carrier, a well planed strike can destroy us surely.

yes If you have X-wings and tie fighters I am sure it would be possible. But the problem with your whole plan is that it assumes the CBG would not plan counter measure to such plans. In fact the whole nuclear attack on ships thing was thought out back in the 50's. Oh then you have to find the CBG in order to target it. And bear in mind that the CBG would be trying NOT to be found......

Kind of rains on your fantasy....

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

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First of all even if Pakistan has the capability to hit Israel then the US will not even dare to attack Pakistan.Israel is the heart of US.

Believe me in case you threaten Israel of nuking them, when in a scenario where they have not threatened your interests directly, I am sure that israel will go preemptive before you can finish blowing your rhetoric, what stops Americans in launching preemptive attack on you when as you say you have threatened the so called heart and what stops Israel from doing so, beileve me, the moment you are threatening them, you are giving them ample reasons to justify their attack one you.

Cheers

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

yes If you have X-wings and tie fighters I am sure it would be possible. But the problem with your whole plan is that it assumes the CBG would not plan counter measure to such plans. In fact the whole nuclear attack on ships thing was thought out back in the 50's. Oh then you have to find the CBG in order to target it. And bear in mind that the CBG would be trying NOT to be found......

Kind of rains on your fantasy

Exactly keys, one always assumes based on what Americans say and the fact of the matter is that they always tend to blow out of proportion their threats and scenarios thay face. They plan for worst case scenario and fight rather then waiting for best case scenario. We usually tend to assume that cruise missile can do the trick when the fact of the matter is you need somthing to identify where their carrieer is and then penetrate their battle groups decoys and anti missile systems before effectively eacing one and even if one reaches the carrier, the conventional warhead is simply not enough to sink the entire ship

 

[Flintlock]

I have read from a variety of sources that the Pakistan missile program is almost entirely imported:

Pakistan's Nuclear Capable Missiles

Pakistan's Nuclear Weapons Program - Present Capabilities

CNS - Chronology of Pakistani Missile Development

Pakistan Missile Special Weapons Delivery Systems

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Stealth:

Remeber that all those reports are primarily speculative - there is no conclusive evidence of what is claimed.

That said, Pakistan's initial short range missile development could be argued to be derived from Chinese/NK technology. The liquid fueled Ghauri is remarkably similar to the NK Nodong, so lets allow for NK derived tech there as well.

It is with the Shaheen 2 (and solid fueled Ghauri) and the Babur and Raad cruise missiles that the allegations of "imported systems" do not hold much water, and indicate that Pakistan crossed a threshold in indigenous development.

And since Pakistan mastered the longer range missiles, it can be logically argued that the shorter range missiles are now completely indigenous as well.

 

[ARSENAL6]

yes If you have X-wings and tie fighters I am sure it would be possible. But the problem with your whole plan is that it assumes the CBG would not plan counter measure to such plans. In fact the whole nuclear attack on ships thing was thought out back in the 50's. Oh then you have to find the CBG in order to target it. And bear in mind that the CBG would be trying NOT to be found......

Kind of rains on your fantasy....

Hey did you play a gamr called X-wing ?

That was cool !

 

[nitesh]

india's BMD is useless against our MIRV'ed missiles. even if they can shoot our missiles and warheads down, pakistan still has an unknown amount of warheads even the US has trouble figuring out.

Hey asaad, I have never came across any reference that said pakistani missiles have MIRV capability, can you please provide a link which mentions this.

Thanks in Advance.