Pakistan may Purchase Chinese Surface-to-Air Missile System HQ-9

[Mutakalim]

I guess, you have been getting, Indian response to Mumbai attacks on a monthly basis since 2008.

Yeah heard their bitching a lot. Could you please stop quoting me tired of your vedic logic. Please

 

[war&peace]

Good one but you know you indians always missed many important key elements when you put your assets in India-Pakistan scenarios....

Where i said we will use our aircrafts to be fly first to be shot down????
Are you assuming that we are crazy that we put our air assets directly against S400?
First, not all Pakistan;s bases are in 400Km range if those S400 batteries are just on borders. Quetta base dosent come in 400 Km range same as dalbandene air field or other in KPK.

And obviously India will not put their S400 batteries on border it must put it approximately 100 Km away from border coz Pakistan artillary have this range.
And for Pakistan Early Warning assets have range more than 400 kms so they can detect your S400 batteries.

For Babur, Man why you forget that everything happens on intelligence basis and who tell you that if you deploy your S400 then Pakistan will not have its location by its intelligence.
And as you can move your TEL S400 so we cannot our Babur?

And next is to shot down Babur, first you have to track it where is babur. And on this prospective we build babur to evade radar detecion and missile defenses.
So dear i hope you understand that if India is working on the technologies that how its defenses can track and destroy the incoming threats, So we are developing our weapons on the same pattern that how those weapon systems can avade them.

So dont consider that babur will come state to your detection radar. Babur is design to evade radar detecion so how will you shot down Babur and also S400 is and surface to Air System not surface to surface that your S400 can destroy Babur TEL on ground.

So to shot down Babsur, babur has to be air borne and to be detected. And we are working on that to make babur more stealthy and to avoid radar detection.

And for satellites, for your kind information Pakistan and china are working together on this and china can exchange information with Pakistan anytime and about anything they pickup on indian side.

Also Pakistani drones can track and report back in a distance of 60 to 100 km distance and i know S400 radars cannot pick up this very short survilliance object.
I am sure you will get enough stuff now but despite all If you need more details do let me know.

And most important and above all where is S400? and on the basis of S400 you are claiming so many things....
So wait for S400 and when S400 will come into indian service, Pakistan will introduce many other weapon systems which can overrun S400 in terms of effectiveness.


Com on what are you saying???? who told you that your 44+ billion dollar trade can keep china aside from its most close strategic partner in asia???

And dont you think that China will going to secure its trade with world throuh CPEC and wil give preference its trade with world over its trade with india....

Bro you checkmated him with logic and if he was a man of honour..he would be ashamed and never utter a word again...but ...
When I read their posts....I just wonder what are they waiting for ? why don't they attack Pakistan and destroy it....It is very easy to bark but barking dogs seldom bit.

 

[nang2]

India to buy the S-400 and you want the HQ-9?

China is buying HQ-9, too.

 

[T-123456]

China is buying HQ-9, too.

China is producing the HQ-9.

 

[nang2]

China is producing the HQ-9.

That is why China is buying. Isn't it obvious?

 

[Photon]

Good one but you know you indians always missed many important key elements when you put your assets in India-Pakistan scenarios....

Where i said we will use our aircrafts to be fly first to be shot down????
Are you assuming that we are crazy that we put our air assets directly against S400?
First, not all Pakistan;s bases are in 400Km range if those S400 batteries are just on borders. Quetta base dosent come in 400 Km range same as dalbandene air field or other in KPK.

And obviously India will not put their S400 batteries on border it must put it approximately 100 Km away from border coz Pakistan artillary have this range.
And for Pakistan Early Warning assets have range more than 400 kms so they can detect your S400 batteries.

For Babur, Man why you forget that everything happens on intelligence basis and who tell you that if you deploy your S400 then Pakistan will not have its location by its intelligence.
And as you can move your TEL S400 so we cannot our Babur?

And next is to shot down Babur, first you have to track it where is babur. And on this prospective we build babur to evade radar detecion and missile defenses.
So dear i hope you understand that if India is working on the technologies that how its defenses can track and destroy the incoming threats, So we are developing our weapons on the same pattern that how those weapon systems can avade them.

So dont consider that babur will come state to your detection radar. Babur is design to evade radar detecion so how will you shot down Babur and also S400 is and surface to Air System not surface to surface that your S400 can destroy Babur TEL on ground.

So to shot down Babsur, babur has to be air borne and to be detected. And we are working on that to make babur more stealthy and to avoid radar detection.

And for satellites, for your kind information Pakistan and china are working together on this and china can exchange information with Pakistan anytime and about anything they pickup on indian side.

Also Pakistani drones can track and report back in a distance of 60 to 100 km distance and i know S400 radars cannot pick up this very short survilliance object.
I am sure you will get enough stuff now but despite all If you need more details do let me know.

And most important and above all where is S400? and on the basis of S400 you are claiming so many things....
So wait for S400 and when S400 will come into indian service, Pakistan will introduce many other weapon systems which can overrun S400 in terms of effectiveness.


Com on what are you saying???? who told you that your 44+ billion dollar trade can keep china aside from its most close strategic partner in asia???

And dont you think that China will going to secure its trade with world throuh CPEC and wil give preference its trade with world over its trade with india....

1. We did go over the scenario, where India places , its S-400, a 100 Km from Pakistani border.
Even in that case, S400 theoretically covers 90% of Pakistani airbases.

2. Intelligence is a collective word, it has many components like HUMNIT, SIGNIT, ELINT.
Which intelligence are you, talking about, that will give you, pin point location of S400 batteries..be specific.

3. Which Pakistani early warning asset will detect a SAM and how?

4. 966AA14 a tower based radar, designed to track low flying objects lying cruise missiles, is part of S400 battery.
Plus it has Pantsir CIWS , for those low flying missiles and planes, that escape the S400s. On top of it India has deployed Aerostat Radars to detect those low flying missiles.

5. Can and will are very different things, and based on history, China has never, helped out in a conflict against India, Not even as recently as Kargil war.

6. Why can't S400's massive AESA radar, pick up a drone, when it can even detect a 0.4m2 target at 230 Kms.

7. What weapons is Pakistan considering, that will counter S400?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Ohh yeah , then what is it?

You don't believe the sources, even the Pakistani ones, forget about the Russian and Indian sources.

You don't believe the pictures, claim they are styx missile and are proven wrong.

I guess the only child here, is you, for you are too stubborn to accept your mistakes.



I guess, you have been getting, Indian response to Mumbai attacks on a monthly basis since 2008.



If they do, it will be a somewhat even playing field, as far as reconnaissance is concerned, as India already has dozens of remote sensing satellites.

But what if, they don't have you ever thought about that ? What are you going to do then?

https://defence.pk/threads/is-iaf-s-300-deployed-to-western-air-command.95542/

Ohh yeah , then what is it?

You don't believe the sources, even the Pakistani ones, forget about the Russian and Indian sources.

You don't believe the pictures, claim they are styx missile and are proven wrong.

I guess the only child here, is you, for you are too stubborn to accept your mistakes.



I guess, you have been getting, Indian response to Mumbai attacks on a monthly basis since 2008.



If they do, it will be a somewhat even playing field, as far as reconnaissance is concerned, as India already has dozens of remote sensing satellites.

But what if, they don't have you ever thought about that ? What are you going to do then?

https://defence.pk/threads/is-iaf-s-300-deployed-to-western-air-command.95542/

 

[Photon]

https://defence.pk/threads/is-iaf-s-300-deployed-to-western-air-command.95542/



https://defence.pk/threads/is-iaf-s-300-deployed-to-western-air-command.95542/

Your point is ?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Your point is ?

That its a mobile Styx launched .. And the back of the "truck" shows that... Those aren't "tubes" of S-300..

 

[Photon]

That its a mobile Styx launched .. And the back of the "truck" shows that... Those aren't "tubes" of S-300..

What about half a dozen Indian, Russian and Pakistani sources which claim, that India acquired 6 batteries of S 300?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What about half a dozen Indian, Russian and Pakistani sources which claim, that India acquired 6 batteries of S 300?

None of them say so.. The best source say that the s-300 was "offered" to India in mid 2000s.

Post a single pic of s-300 in india not the Soviet mobile Styx missile..

 

[Photon]

None of them say so.. The best source say that the s-300 was "offered" to India in mid 2000s.

"As a stop-gap measure, India procured six-batteries of the highly effective Russian S-300 air defence systems to protect major cities, including New Delhi."

http://www.dawn.com/news/1258707

 

[SQ8]

"As a stop-gap measure, India procured six-batteries of the highly effective Russian S-300 air defence systems to protect major cities, including New Delhi."

http://www.dawn.com/news/1258707

No proof exists. Please dont try to be a cheesy bugger and quote us Dawn. The S-300 procurement was delayed due to a possibility of Arrow interceptors to work with the green pine system but that petered out due to US export restrictions on certian tech that is on the arrow.

The S-400 was always India's desire as it brought a much more potent BMD capability than any of the S-300 variants.

 

[Xerxes1]

1. We did go over the scenario, where India places , its S-400, a 100 Km from Pakistani border.
Even in that case, S400 theoretically covers 90% of Pakistani airbases.

2. Intelligence is a collective word, it has many components like HUMNIT, SIGNIT, ELINT.
Which intelligence are you, talking about, that will give you, pin point location of S400 batteries..be specific.

3. Which Pakistani early warning asset will detect a SAM and how?

4. 966AA14 a tower based radar, designed to track low flying objects lying cruise missiles, is part of S400 battery.
Plus it has Pantsir CIWS , for those low flying missiles and planes, that escape the S400s. On top of it India has deployed Aerostat Radars to detect those low flying missiles.

5. Can and will are very different things, and based on history, China has never, helped out in a conflict against India, Not even as recently as Kargil war.

6. Why can't S400's massive AESA radar, pick up a drone, when it can even detect a 0.4m2 target at 230 Kms.

7. What weapons is Pakistan considering, that will counter S400?

Does india possess s400 ? No in future so we ll have something to counter it in future we are not chest thumbing monkeys

 

[LeGenD]

HQ-9 has not much to do with S-300 but with MIM-104 as China got its hands on the technology of MIM-104. HQ-9 is superior to S-300 and if you don't believe me then here is the proof in Turkish T-LORAMIDS program Turkey rejected MIM-104, Aster and S-300 over HQ-9 despite having more than enough money for other air defence systems.

You got this wrong, my friend.

Turkey was interested in HQ-9 due to cost-related considerations and TOT offer from China. However, Turkey backed out of it under pressure from NATO and is now pursuing its own program.