PAKISTAN MAY NEGOTIATE WITH UKRAINE FOR 100 OPLOT-M MAIN BATTLE TANKS

[BetterPakistan]

From the recent IDEAS exhibition it was learnt that PA is in talks with Ukraine for upgrading its T-80UD tanks bringing them upto OPLOT level. So OPLOT induction in PA was supposed to happen. Now what is not confirm is whether the 100 tanks mentioned here are upgraded T-80UDs to OPLOT or new builds.

Pakistan recently signed $600 Million deal with Ukraine for 200 engine for Al-khalid 2 and other equipment for up gradation of T-80UD and I don't think these 100 could be the upgraded one because up gradation was supposed to happen in Pakistan. I feel its Al-Haider tank.

Are you sure to Oplot-M level? I guess PA was going to upgrade T-80UD to T-84 not oplot-m level because Oplot-M weighs 51 tonnes while T-80UD and T-84 weighs 46 tonnes.

 

[Penguin]

Abram MBTs provided to Arabs are downgraded moreover the incompetency on the part of Iraqi army also resulted in MBT losses same like KSA lost many in Yemen.
Further many factors count in selection of MBTs and other military stuff.

In what ways? IMHO the only difference being yes/no uranium armor inserts. Besides, if customers choose a certain armor or equipment level, at a certain cost, then that's their business. That's tailoring your product to customer wishes, not necessarily downgrading per se.

 

[PakShaheen79]

I will happily say welcome to Oplot M if ToT for 1500 HP is coming along with it.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

what??? it have engine issues?? and they were offering ToT what happened to that??

where did Altay go??? did PA cancelled Altay tank ???

 

[Zarvan]

what??? it have engine issues?? and they were offering ToT what happened to that??

where did Altay go??? did PA cancelled Altay tank ???

Altay was never supposed to come it's way to heavy for us. OPLOT M failed the first test but Ukraine promised to resolve the issue soon so OPLOT M now will return soon for summer tests and if it passes tests Pakistan will go for it.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Altay was never supposed to come it's way to heavy for us. OPLOT M failed the first test but Ukraine promised to resolve the issue soon so OPLOT M now will return soon for summer tests and if it passes tests Pakistan will go for it.

Hard to believe that Oplots engine face issues .. considering the same engine (6 TD-2) is powering all of our frontline tanks and performing wonderfully, no wonder 1500 HP engine for AK II is on the cards.

 

[C130]

100 Oplot-M +2000 Kombat missile would be nice

 

[Saifullah Sani]

In an interview on April 20 with the Ukrainian newspaper Delovaya Stolitsa, Pakistan’s ambassador to Ukraine Athar Abbas revealed that Pakistan could buy more than 100 Oplot-M main battle tanks (MBT) from the Malyshev Factory. As per Abbas, negotiations will start once final tests are complete.
Responding to a question about Pakistan’s willingness to pursue defence ties with Ukraine, Abbas outlined that Pakistan was seeking Ukraine’s cooperation in modernizing the Pakistan Army’s armour.
Abbas noted the U.S. $600 million memorandum-of-understanding (MoU) overhaul and modernization deal signed in November during IDEAS 2016 in Karachi. He also brought up the MoU signed during IDEX 2017 in Abu Dhabi on the co-production of tank engines.
As per Ukrainian News Agency Interfax, the first set of contracts under these MoUs have also been issued – in March, Ukraine received an order to supply 88 tank sights for Pakistan’s T-80UD MBTs.
Notes & Comments:
The Oplot-M was one of the tanks competing for the Pakistan Army’s Haider MBT requirement, which was envisaged to help propel the Army’s armour modernization goals and support the al-Khalid MBT. Athar Abbas’ comments to Delovaya Stolitsa may indicate that the Haider program is still alive, though this has yet to be confirmed by Pakistan Army officials.
Since Kharkiv Morozov Machine Building’s (KMDB) 1,200 hp 6TD-2 engine powers Pakistan’s al-Khalid MBT (and the 1,500 hp 6TD-3 is likely the leading option for the al-Khalid 2), buying the Oplot-M would require less in terms of added maintenance, logistics and training investment compared to another platform.
The Oplot-M is a variant of the T-84, which itself is an upgrade of the T-80UD in use by Pakistan. Weighing 48 tons, the Oplot-M is powered by a KMDB 1,200 hp 6TD-2 diesel engine. It is armed with a 125 mm KBA3 smoothbore gun, which can fire anti-tank guided missiles, armour-piercing discarding sabot fin-stabilized (APDSFS) shells and high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) shells.
One of the Oplot-M’s differentiating features (compared to the T-80UD and T-84) is its new welded turret, which accompanies KMDB’s latest in explosive reactive armour (ERA).
Currently, Thailand is the Oplot-M’s sole export buyer. The Royal Thai Army ordered 49 Oplot-Ms in March 2011, though Ukraine’s strife with Russia resulted in several major delays, causing Bangkok to supplement its Oplot-M order with a purchase of VT-4 MBTs from China. However, the purchase was not cancelled and Thailand is in the process of receiving the Oplot-Ms from Ukraine.
http://quwa.org/2017/05/02/pakistan-may-negotiate-ukraine-100-oplot-m-main-battle-tanks/

 

[wali87]

It's about time we acquired a new tank platform. Need something new and cutting edge to supplement AL Khalid 2. 4th generation Era, 30hp+ power to weight ratio.. something along those lines.

 

[Super Falcon]

I think Turk ALTAY is best option derived from state of the art German and Korean technological marvel

 

[HAIDER]

Joint production of helicopter engines?

Ukraine make engine for Mi17/Mi-28 ,Ukraine's Motor Sich plant

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Useless project if we are not aquiring Engine Tech

 

[HAIDER]

I think Turk ALTAY is best option derived from state of the art German and Korean technological marvel

Engine not decided yet. still in testing phase. Russian engines are best bet for PA. Cheap to maintained, not pricey. Best performance in all terrain . PA using old t55 and 62s to combat terrorism. Still going smoothly .

 

[monitor]

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Pakistan recently signed $600 Million deal with Ukraine for 200 engine for Al-khalid 2 and other equipment for up gradation of T-80UD and I don't think these 100 could be the upgraded one because up gradation was supposed to happen in Pakistan. I feel its Al-Haider tank.

Are you sure to Oplot-M level? I guess PA was going to upgrade T-80UD to T-84 not oplot-m level because Oplot-M weighs 51 tonnes while T-80UD and T-84 weighs 46 tonnes.

Oplot-M, uses Duplet Nozh-2 reactive armor, which involves layers of knife-shape charges weights 500 KG per square meters could be reason why it's weight more then T-84U . I think all existing T-84U can upgraded to political-M series.

 

[pzfz]

Altay too heavy and expensive. Built more for the Eurasian battlefield. Basically too western. Besides the Turks have to figure out the engine issues - I'm confident they will.