Pakistan May Alter The Contours Of A Unipolar World Order

[acid rain]

Alter and changing are two different things. No one is saying that Pakistan will change it, but it is big enough to alter it. This is not delusion, this is reality.

Your entire argument hinges on the assumption that Pakistan has next to 0 worth geopolitically.

I, being from a management background would look at the availability and unavailability aspect...what worth does pakistan bring that one would consider invaluable or an absolute necessity...If you aren't a must have then you do not change any thing worthwhile.

My point is - no country other than afghanistan is depending on Pakistan for anything..is afghanistan worth anything for anybody..NO, again.

 

[Icewolf]

Afghanistan isn't the end of the world..was it important for Australia. .India. .Japan. .the US...Russia..China. .Europe?.

We can all go by without afghanistan and pakistan.

 

[That Guy]

I, being from a management background would look at the availability and unavailability aspect...what worth does pakistan bring that one would consider invaluable or an absolute necessity...If you aren't a must have then you do not change any thing worthwhile.

My point is - no country other than afghanistan is depending on Pakistan for anything..is afghanistan worth anything for anybody..NO, again.

You're delusional if you actually believe this. Your background is worth nothing to this topic, so no point bringing it up.

It's not just Afghanistan, the Arabs have relied upon Pakistan countless times to keep up their internal security, and stifle decent, and against foreign military forces; not to mention the massive amount of man power and training Pakistan provides them. The US relies upon Pakistan to keep not only the taliban, but now Daesh in check, so it doesn't spread it's militancy too much.

China considers Pakistan at the center of it's foreign policy when it comes to South Asia, India and the middle east.

Russia has decided to move closer to Pakistan, ignoring Indian protests, and there are rumors abound that Russia is quite interested in CPEC. Russia has also talked to Pakistani officials about TAPI, which runs through Pakistan, as Russia wants to build the Pakistani portion of it.

What you said is simply nonsense, and ignores decades of history, and today's ground reality. India is a great power, and it WILL be a super power one day, but that does NOT mean Pakistan is a weak nation, and brings nothing to the table.

We're already seeing nations circle around Pakistan, considering the growing threat of Daesh in the region. I wouldn't be surprised if India was cooperating with Pakistan to counter such a threat (as they've done briefly in the past).

With admission into SCO, Pakistan's regional and global role is just going to grow further, and that's simply the truth. If Pakistan was not important, China would not insist that Pakistan join, and would not veto Indian demands at the UN.

 

[Icewolf]

You're delusional if you actually believe this. Your background is worth nothing to this topic, so no point bringing it up.

It's not just Afghanistan, the Arabs have relied upon Pakistan countless times to keep up their internal security, and stifle decent, and against foreign military forces; not to mention the massive amount of man power and training Pakistan provides them. The US relies upon Pakistan to keep not only the taliban, but now Daesh in check, so it doesn't spread it's militancy too much.

China considers Pakistan at the center of it's foreign policy when it comes to South Asia, India and the middle east.

Russia has decided to move closer to Pakistan, ignoring Indian protests, and there are rumors abound that Russia is quite interested in CPEC. Russia has also talked to Pakistani officials about TAPI, which runs through Pakistan, as Russia wants to build the Pakistani portion of it.

What you said is simply nonsense, and ignores decades of history, and today's ground reality. India is a great power, and it WILL be a super power one day, but that does NOT mean Pakistan is a weak nation, and brings nothing to the table.

We're already seeing nations circle around Pakistan, considering the growing threat of Daesh in the region. I wouldn't be surprised if India was cooperating with Pakistan to counter such a threat (as they've done briefly in the past).

With admission into SCO, Pakistan's regional and global role is just going to grow further, and that's simply the truth. If Pakistan was not important, China would not insist that Pakistan join, and would not veto Indian demands at the UN.

Don't worry, he's writing history based on Vedic knowledge. Where Pakistan has no importance and India is colonizing Jupiter and Mars through Vedic spaceships and inter galactic travel.

 

[acid rain]

It's not just Afghanistan, the Arabs have relied upon Pakistan countless times to keep up their internal security, and stifle decent. The US relies upon it to keep not only the taliban, but now Daesh in check, so it doesn't spread it's militancy too much.

We're already seen nations circle around Pakistan, considering the growing threat of Daesh in the region.

And, you consider that as a positive?. You are the only army on hire in the region..There are very few countries in the world that would fight others battles for a few billion, and pakistani army is one of them.

Russian interest lies in preventing terrorist safe havens and controlling drugs..again, the only army on hire to try and get a grip on it.

You know who are the other members of SCO?
Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. .and have been members from a long while - pray tell me what difference in "regional and global role is just going to grow further, " did it make for these countries?.
They are as insignificant as they were to the rest of the world.

Delusional about changing the "contours of the world"...thankfully I am not.

 

[acid rain]

China considers Pakistan at the center of it's foreign policy when it comes to South Asia, India and the middle east.

CCP tries emulating the americans, they want to copy the americans in their global reach and control..they want similar control in the ME and the oceans but without making similar mistakes and without the wars...the problem is that they are making more adversaries than friends in the bargain...and pretty strong adversaries at that.

What the ccp doing in pakistan is what it's trying to di in Sri Lanka or bangladesh or burma or nepal or elsewhere..Pakistan is a peg in their global designs..I wouldn't call it central...just a peg among many pegs.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

How long will Pakistan remain a ' Use & throw' friend to major powers of the world ?

It has only itself to offer and nothing else. In such relationships once the requirement diminishes so does the relationship leaving Pakistan to look for another suitor.

It needs to develop itself so that it has more to offer than its real estate.

Then & only then shall it remain relevant and can it stop being exploited.

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Exactly!

Those who are cheering about "Pakistan altering the contours of Unipolar world", should remember that this is not the first time that Pakistan voluntarily submitted itself to be used as pawn in a game like this. Last one, played out during Zia's era, didn't exactly go down well for them!

Talking about another big game now is a classic case of "history repeating itself". Last time, they were in US camp. This time, it may well be China/Russia's turn! We might well have some future generation Pakistanis abusing some other super-power for their state of affairs - like they do now!

Stability in Af-Pak region is good for the world for the same reason that stability in 'any part of the world' is good for the world! At the most, Afghanistan holds nuisance value. For US, Afghanistan is already a lost cause. The day they decide inevitably to pack up and leave, it would be a free-for-all between Taliban vs ISIS in Afghanistan and those trying to control it would have a nightmare playing power-brokers!

But what is rather disappointing about the article is, it doesn't even mention IRAN's role, a much bigger player in the region, and how it's relationship will evolve vis-à-vis US/Russia/China.

Rest of the article, like others already pointed out, is a mere attempt at self-grandeur by Pakistan without anything substantive to offer to the balance of power! Save the endless supply of nuisance-causing foot soldiers, aka Mujahideen!

PS:
To be sure, I don't think any country in South Asia, including India, can 'alter the contours of Unipolar world'! Not now, not anytime soon! Not at this rate of growth, anyway!

 

[That Guy]

And, you consider that as a positive?. You are the only army on hire in the region..There are very few countries in the world that would fight others battles for a few billion, and pakistani army is one of them.

Russian interest lies in preventing terrorist safe havens and controlling drugs..again, the only army on hire to try and get a grip on it.

You know who are the other members of SCO?
Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. .and have been members from a long while - pray tell me what difference in "regional and global role is just going to grow further, " did it make for these countries?.
They are as insignificant as they were to the rest of the world.

Delusional about changing the "contours of the world"...thankfully I am not.

It's called geopolitics, your attempts at trying to make this sound like an insult is a fallacy. Pakistan will only intervene when it is in their own interests, take the Yemen situation.

Russian interests are far more than just terrorists and drugs, it needs allies, especially during today's geopolitical reality.

By the way, those nations you've mentioned, are former soviet nations, and are at the center of the influence battle between Russia, China and the US. Your point is completely ignorant of the facts.

If you think Pakistan is worthless, then fine, but reality does not, and will not accommodate your delusions. To call Pakistan as being insignificant is not only the height of arrogance, but a sheer ignorance of reality.

CCP tries emulating the americans, they want to copy the americans in their global reach and control..they want similar control in the ME and the oceans but without making similar mistakes and without the wars...the problem is that they are making more adversaries than friends in the bargain...and pretty strong adversaries at that.

What the ccp doing in pakistan is what it's trying to di in Sri Lanka or bangladesh or burma or nepal or elsewhere..Pakistan is a peg in their global designs..I wouldn't call it central...just a peg among many pegs.

Except Chinese officials themselves have said that Pakistan is central to their ambitions.

Anyway, I don't care anymore believe what you want. Reality is reality.

 

[AugenBlick]

A long rant about russia .... and suddenly Pakistan is inserted because of a few engines .. and Bam .... Pakistan is an important player....
These are probably the guys that write things like Pakistan's special location and sit hand over fist as their country is taken over by TTP.
anyway enjoy guys

 

[Nicky G]

Nice fantasy. I rate it on par with that silly video another member linked on this forum regarding gold flowing though galis because of the lil 46B project.

 

[umairkhan4]

Yes. if the World does not take care of Afghanistan, then it get's taken over by the taliban, who in turn will disturb peace World-over.
I mean, cmon, that just sounded like an attention seeking arrogant kid, who breaks his old toys so that he can get a new one.
I don't think even the Afghans themselves with agree with you.

it is important because of its geographical location not for every country but for a country like america where it is situated near pakistan and iran where it is easier to keep an eye on those countries afghanistan as a country isnt important but rather as a land

A long rant about russia .... and suddenly Pakistan is inserted because of a few engines .. and Bam .... Pakistan is an important player....
These are probably the guys that write things like Pakistan's special location and sit hand over fist as their country is taken over by TTP.
anyway enjoy guys

ah here we have someone defending indian motives in pakistan by that logic i can assert that india is taken over by lashkar e taiba and assamese militants

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

The détente in Afghanistan can be credited to the shia sunni divide and the Iran Pakistan influence areas..isn't it?

I'm not sure what you meant by this post? Detente is the easing of hostilities.

As far as Iran-Pakistan are concerned both sides need a stable border and relations. Yes, the Iranians supported the Northern Alliance but only because the Taliban was slaughtering Shias all over the place.

If I lived in a village in Afghanistan for decades, my family centuries/ generations and my neighbors comparable. I don't really have a desire to go out and kill my neighbor because he's a Shia while i'm a Sunni. Most of the atrocities the Taliban committed wasn't from the Taliban that lived in those areas but those that came from the other-side of the country.

The Sunni Shia divide is much more vis a vis Iran/ Shia and the Gulf Arabs. Than in Pakistan, sure it has it's occasional firing squads that pump lead into transport buses but by enlarge ISIS has killed more Shia than Sunnis and Shia have killed eachother in Pakistan.