Pakistan May Alter The Contours Of A Unipolar World Order

[Ahmad Masood]

We can all go by without afghanistan and pakistan.

Lol. You say this being an senior member on PDF. I wander why so many Indians are on PDF if Pakistan is too dull.

 

[acid rain]

Lol. You say this being an senior member on PDF. I wander why so many Indians are on PDF if Pakistan is too dull.

I wonder if that was the yardstick of the author when he imagined pakistan changing the contours of the world order?..maybe not..He may be a bit smarter than that.

 

[airmarshal]

First comment should have been from an Indian and that was quite expected.

The reasons for Russia Pakistan detente are quite understandable. Take India factor out for a moment, both countries need each other in evolving situation in Afghanistan.

 

[Mustang06]

Well its too early to say about the future of Russia-Pakistan relation. Each country has its own foreign policy and no can change it whether be Russia, China, Pakistan or India. Afghanistan's stability on the other hand is a matter of concern for all nation around it and all countries in the neighborhood should help Afghanistan in whatever way possible.

 

[Ahmad Masood]

I wonder if that was the yardstick of the author when he imagined pakistan changing the contours of the world order?..maybe not..He may be a bit smarter than that.

I don't know the author or any of his yard fucking sticks. Why are you a member of the PDF in first place if Pakistan is nothing. Are you also a member of the, lets suppose, Uganda's defence forum (only if it exists)?

 

[Arsalan]

Well its too early to say about the future of Russia-Pakistan relation. Each country has its own foreign policy and no can change it whether be Russia, China, Pakistan or India. Afghanistan's stability on the other hand is a matter of concern for all nation around it and all countries in the neighborhood should help Afghanistan in whatever way possible.

Some sane reply at last!! bravo!

As for the butt hurts, living in delusional world, enjoy you stay
If someone is stupid to think that Pakistan will be the Major player in any geo political development in this region and that new alliances are being formed, he will be mist more stupid to think Pakistan wont have any important role to play in this new game. India on other hand may not be a part of this particular drama. Now for all the crying that "we don't want to be part of it" we know better than that, your government knows better than that, heck almost everyone knows better that that!!

 

[hussain0216]

For some reason there is a smell of burning indians in the air

 

[!eon]

It had to be happened some time. Russians (Soviets) knew this long ago and had invited Liaquat li Khan. But respected PM was in love of Uncle Sam.
And its going now again in same direction. No matter how much Pakistani elite tries to run their horses towards white house, their natural alliance is Russia.

 

[dray]

From joint development of best-in-class missiles to top of the line fighter planes to nuke subs to civilian nuclear power plants, Indo-Russian relationship has far greater depth than our neighbour could even comprehend, and here they are jumping straight into changing the WORLD ORDER right after their gemeral landed in Russia! Our angry little neighbour never fails to amuse us!

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

It's not even in the zone of being considered as possible.

The focal point is afghanistan...and pakistan is bent on imagining that whoever controls afghanistan controls the world.


Pray name me one developed country in the world which developed because of afghanistan? Every country will do better without engaging afghanistan.

The focal point is Afghanistan and the see-saw vis a vis the US.

Afghanistan is important to both Russian and the US and Pakistan. Each with their own reasons. Russia wants to screw the US over in Afghanistan in revenge for the Operation Cyclone, limit NATO troops and the Afghan narcotics trade. A stable will provide greater stability in the Central Asian Republics. There are numerous terrorists groups that have found sanctuary due to the limited power of the Afghanistan government, that are at war against the CARs.

The biggest mistake Russia can make is being active in Afghan domestic politics. It will have to stay at the State level.

Pakistan has it's own interests. Namely the disillusion of the Strategic Depth into Afghanistan. The millions of Afghan refugees are a drain on Pakistan's own limited resources. Desire to limit any perceived Indian influence in Afghanistan to limit RAW supported insurgencies in Pakistan. Not the mention the expansive border. And potential trade into the CARs, you're talking about 66 million people and $300 billion GDP.

Like it or not, Pakistan needs a stable Afghanistan which it considers has enough backbone to prevent India from using it's territory to launch covert ops.

Delusions of grandeur is about changing the world order..drains flowing with dollars.. There's a difference between estimating changes in status against overestimating one's worth.

There's not going to be any massive shifts of power just because Pakistan buys 20 Mi-28s. Either in vis a vis Pakistan-India or the greater global balance of power. Pakistan isn't the equivalent of the United States in WW1 or WW2 or China in the Korean War.

 

[VCheng]

Pakistan’s compulsion to diversify its foreign partners lies in its present ties with the United States which have soured so much that Pakistan can no longer be considered as an ally, ready to do its bidding as in the proxy war against the Red Army in Afghanistan. And India’s ties with the United States, on the other hand, have been transformed, with Washington virtually legitimizing it as the world’s sixth nuclear weapon state, something that even Russia never went as far to support during all the years as close allies.

It all goes to show that there are no permanent friends or foes in international geopolitics. The only constant is change.

 

[acid rain]

The focal point is Afghanistan and the see-saw vis a vis the US.

Afghanistan is important to both Russian and the US and Pakistan. Each with their own reasons. Russia wants to screw the US over in Afghanistan in revenge for the Operation Cyclone, limit NATO troops and the Afghan narcotics trade. A stable will provide greater stability in the Central Asian Republics. There are numerous terrorists groups that have found sanctuary due to the limited power of the Afghanistan government, that are at war against the CARs.

The biggest mistake Russia can make is being active in Afghan domestic politics. It will have to stay at the State level.

Pakistan has it's own interests. Namely the disillusion of the Strategic Depth into Afghanistan. The millions of Afghan refugees are a drain on Pakistan's own limited resources. Desire to limit any perceived Indian influence in Afghanistan to limit RAW supported insurgencies in Pakistan. Not the mention the expansive border. And potential trade into the CARs, you're talking about 66 million people and $300 billion GDP.

Like it or not, Pakistan needs a stable Afghanistan which it considers has enough backbone to prevent India from using it's territory to launch covert ops.



There's not going to be any massive shifts of power just because Pakistan buys 20 Mi-28s. Either in vis a vis Pakistan-India or the greater global balance of power. Pakistan isn't the equivalent of the United States in WW1 or WW2 or China in the Korean War.

The détente in Afghanistan can be credited to the shia sunni divide and the Iran Pakistan influence areas..isn't it?

 

[Last Samuri]

Pakistan & Russian détente = will add to didly squat

Pakistan cant stand on its own 2 feet without begging for assistance from some super power

And Russia has just fallen behind in its GDP to INDIA...

a Russia that is this very moment about to loose the BIGGEST ARMS MARKET in the world to Israrel USA
AND France.

Without indian money PAK FA will die as a project

Russia is not USA or China you will get not one penny from them.

Pakistan itself offers Russia NOTHING

 

[That Guy]

Delusions of grandeur is about changing the world order..drains flowing with dollars.. There's a difference between estimating changes in status against overestimating one's worth.

Russia will be interested in even Mozambique or Guatemala..countries are keen to find allies of business.

But..assuming a friendly handshake as changing the contours of the world order..is as bit much. ...its called delusions of one's self worth.

As I pointed out. Did any of the world's economic or military powers depend on the af pak region for their growth or development? Will they depend on the AF pak region to develop?...a big fat NO...



the present region of pakistan was just enroute to be destroyed to reach the sone ki chiddya aka India.

Alter and changing are two different things. No one is saying that Pakistan will change it, but it is big enough to alter it. This is not delusion, this is reality.

Your entire argument hinges on the assumption that Pakistan has next to 0 worth geopolitically.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

According to Chaos theory, even a little fly flapping its tiny wings can change world history forever.