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Pakistan Looks For U.S. Deal



By TOM WRIGHT

ISLAMABAD—Pakistan's renewed push to clinch a civilian nuclear deal with Washington threatens to further strain relations that are already tense over Islamabad's reluctance to attack Taliban havens on its soil.

Pakistan officials say they will again raise their demand for a deal—similar to one the U.S. concluded with India—during a meeting Oct. 22 in Washington headed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi.

Islamabad views a civilian nuclear deal with the U.S. as a key compromise to show Pakistan is on a level with its rival India in the eyes of the U.S. Such a deal would assuage fears here that Washington has any intention of dismantling Pakistan's nuclear program.

The U.S. is unlikely to give in to the demands, Pakistan officials acknowledge, adding a further level of mistrust to a relationship already bedeviled by frustration in Washington over Pakistan's failure to crack down on Taliban militants that attack U.S. troops over the border in Afghanistan.

Washington is concerned about Pakistan's previous history of proliferation and continued ramping up of its military nuclear arsenal, which it is developing as a deterrent to India, possibly with Chinese aid. It has turned down Pakistan's requests for a civilian nuclear deal in the past.

The U.S. views next week's "strategic dialogue" as key to getting Pakistan to move against militancy in return for billions of dollars in civilian and military aid. Help with civilian nuclear power, a role China currently fulfills, could help improve ties, some analysts say. A U.S. official said the issue wasn't on the official agenda for the meeting but could easily be raised.

It will be the third such meeting since March, underscoring the pivotal role relations with Pakistan plays in U.S. foreign policy.

New satellite images, taken in September and published last week by the Institute for Science and International Security, a nongovernmental U.S.-based nuclear research body, show Pakistan is racing to complete its Khushab military nuclear facility in Punjab province despite this summer's flooding, which caused billions of dollars in economic losses.

"Pakistan will always spend whatever it takes to build up as many nuclear weapons as possible" due to animosity toward India, said George Perkovich, director of the nuclear policy program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a U.S.-based think tank.


President Barack Obama will travel to India in early November on his first official visit to South Asia and any signs of engagement with Pakistan on nuclear issues ahead of that trip would likely ensure him a frosty reception in New Delhi.

Pakistan's blocking of the Obama administration's push this year at the United Nations for a treaty to ban the production of weapons-grade fissile material also has angered U.S. officials. Last week, Rose Gottemoeller, the U.S. assistant secretary of state in charge of arms control, told the U.N. that Washington's patience was running out over the slow pace of talks toward nuclear arms control.

Pakistan argues it should be allowed to build up its nuclear arsenal to counter India's larger conventional armed forces. It also says India's civilian-nuclear deal has given it an unfair advantage.

The pact allows U.S. and other suppliers of nuclear fuel for power plants to export to India. Pakistan fears that could free up domestic sources of fissile material to be turned into bombs. India, which has no history of nuclear proliferation, denies it plans to use the civilian nuclear deal to bolster its nuclear warheads.

"If we sign up to a treaty now, we would be at a permanent disadvantage to India," says Abdul Basit, a spokesman for Pakistan's foreign ministry.

Another Pakistani official said the delegation will raise the issue of a U.S. civilian nuclear deal next week but that "expectations are very low." The U.S., the Pakistani official said, "considers India its biggest ally. That's why our demand is rejected."

India and Pakistan, along with Israel, have refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and their stockpiles are among the fastest growing in the world.

Pakistan currently has about 70 to 90 nuclear warheads, and India has between 60 and 80, according to estimates published by the Federation of American Scientists, a nongovernmental group. The U.S. has 1,968 warheads but is reducing its stockpile while Pakistan and India are expanding theirs.

The ISIS, which published photos of the Khushab facility, said a third and final reactor at the site is nearing completion and could be operational by 2011. The second reactor came online in spring, the institute said.

When complete, the facility would produce enough fuel for 10 missiles a year, or about half of Pakistan's total annual nuclear-weapon production capacity, said David Albright, president of ISIS.

While these developments are newly public, the U.S. government has long been keeping tabs on the reactor's progress. "These issues have been known for years," said a U.S. counterproliferation official. "This isn't news to the U.S. government."

Pakistan's increased ability to produce plutonium—which is more potent than uranium and can be packed into smaller bombs—could boost its ability to develop longer-range cruise missiles with nuclear warheads, he added. Mr. Basit declined to comment on Pakistan's nuclear capabilities.

China has stepped up civilian nuclear cooperation with Pakistan in an effort to balance the U.S. support for India. In February, Beijing signed an agreement with Pakistan to build two 300-megawatt nuclear power plants and last month unveiled plans for a one-gigawatt plant.

The U.S. has opposed these deals, saying they are against Nuclear Suppliers Group rules, which ban the selling of nuclear technology to nations that haven't signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

The U.S. persuaded others in the 46-member group, which China joined in 2004, to give a waiver to India for its civilian nuclear deal. The U.S. State Department in July told lawmakers it would vote against such an exemption for Pakistan.

Some analysts argue a U.S.-Pakistan civilian nuclear deal with adequate safeguards would reward the country for improved security of its nuclear weapons and could help foster better relations with Washington. With U.S. help, Pakistan has in recent years increased safeguards to make sure its nuclear weapons don't end up in the hand of Islamist militants.

But concerns remain. A report in April by Harvard University's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs found Pakistan's stockpiles faced "immense" threats of theft "from nuclear insiders with extremist sympathies, al Qaeda or Taliban outsider attacks, and a weak state."

In India, Pakistan's weapons buildup is widely viewed as a security risk. "How do you ensure the weapons don't fall into the wrong hands?" asks Brahma Chellaney, a professor at the Center for Policy Research, a New Delhi-based think tank.

The father of Pakistan's nuclear program, A.Q. Khan, admitted in 2004 to selling weapons technology to Libya, Iran and North Korea. He later recanted his confession, saying it was given under duress.


Pakistan Looks For U.S. Deal - WSJ.com
 
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We have suffered infinite losses due to WoT and nuclear deal would only affirm the commitment US has bloated about several times.

We cant control the terrorist without development and development demand cheap energy. :azn:

Since it is for pure civilian use, arrangements can be made to be it under US gov control or operated and managed by US DoE directly with involvements of Pakistani civilian engineers but not the government.
 
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i say no harm in merely trying to go for a deal with the US.

when we fail (which is inevitable) it will be clear whose side who is on and that in itself will be a valuable lesson....
 
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Well US offered us the nuclear deal with our expansion of our nuclear energy sector the next decade which is close to $100 billion. If the US didnt act fast someone else would. It provides jobs to US people and food in their plates. If Pakistan can offer something in return like this to the US then I dont see any problems with you getting the deal.
 
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although i dont expect anything coming out of it but whats wrong in looking?:undecided:
 
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"New satellite images, taken in September and published last week by the Institute for Science and International Security, a nongovernmental U.S.-based nuclear research body, show Pakistan is racing to complete its Khushab military nuclear facility in Punjab province despite this summer's flooding, which caused billions of dollars in economic losses."

This is typical of the dishonest coverage of Pakistan in the Western media. The construction of both Khushab II and III was completed (for the most part, per the satellite images) before the floods, which means the funds necessary for their construction were allocated and spent a long time before the floods. To try and link the two is the height of malicious propaganda.

Another article in another US paper tried to argue something similar with respect to the Pakistani F-16 purchase, criticizing Pakistan for buying F-16's when it was suffering from floods, and ignoring the fact that the F-16 contract was signed years ago, and in fact downgraded from a potential 50+ order to 18 because of the earthquake in Pakistan.

Pure propaganda and drivel in the US media to malign and demonize Pakistan, and then American commentators have the gall to criticize the Pakistani media for 'spreading anti-Americanism and conspiracy theories'.
 
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The U.S. has opposed these deals, saying they are against Nuclear Suppliers Group rules, which ban the selling of nuclear technology to nations that haven't signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
The U.S. persuaded others in the 46-member group, which China joined in 2004, to give a waiver to India for its civilian nuclear deal. The U.S. State Department in July told lawmakers it would vote against such an exemption for Pakistan.
OMG!!!!!! and they want us to believe that Americans consider Pakistan as an ally?????
 
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And what makes you think Nuclear energy is cheap?:undecided:
May not be cheap,but thats the quickest way out of the current power crisis we have n Pakistan..A hydro electric project will take many years and had many political hitches,specially displacement of people.
That coal project too will need years of preparation,such as roads and obtaining coal mining machinery,which currently Pakistan doesn't have..We have years of experience in building and operating nuclear power plants,have our own reserves of Uranium ore,and for all those reasons Nuclear power currently seems to be the most viable and feasible power production option for Pakistan.
 
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Indians has right to contradict or oppose the nuclear energy, but consensus has built among Pakistani people and establishment, after Indian blockade of water. Pakistan wants to built the dam, but how can Pak trust India, when they already block water so many times.
Basically its Indian policies which pushing Pakistan to built reactor.Otherwise water is the most cheapest form of energy.
 
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And what makes you think Nuclear energy is cheap?:undecided:

Nuclear reactions release a million times more energy, as compared to hydro or wind energy. Hence, a large amount of electricity can be generated. So it is cheap
 
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This is typical of the dishonest coverage of Pakistan in the Western media. The construction of both Khushab II and III was completed (for the most part, per the satellite images) before the floods, which means the funds necessary for their construction were allocated and spent a long time before the floods. To try and link the two is the height of malicious propaganda.

Even if what you say is true, this simply just does not justify the huge amount of money that Pakistan spends on its nuclear weapons programme, especially when you have such pressing humanitarian issues.


Another article in another US paper tried to argue something similar with respect to the Pakistani F-16 purchase, criticizing Pakistan for buying F-16's when it was suffering from floods, and ignoring the fact that the F-16 contract was signed years ago, and in fact downgraded from a potential 50+ order to 18 because of the earthquake in Pakistan.

I remember the article that you are referring to. The reporter in that article was questioning the logic of her contributing to the flood relief in Pakistan, especially when its near bankrupt government was diverting precious resources to fancy weapons. If you look at it from her point of view, you might grasp the essence of her argument.

She was mere pointing out the irony of spending so much on defense and then asking the international community for monetary assistance. Especially when you ask others you expose yourself to such criticism. What you don't pay back in coin, you must pay in dignity.




Pure propaganda and drivel in the US media to malign and demonize Pakistan, and then American commentators have the gall to criticize the Pakistani media for 'spreading anti-Americanism and conspiracy theories'.

This is not the first time i am hearing this. Now, when there is so much criticism from all fronts, sometimes it is better to look inwards and introspect as to why there is so much critical reporting. Is it because all the reporters are biased or there is so much wrong to report about?
 
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Even if what you say is true, this simply just does not justify the huge amount of money that Pakistan spends on its nuclear weapons programme, especially when you have such pressing humanitarian issues.
What I say is true, since the reactors could not be completed in a matter of days (satellite images before the floods show most of the construction as complete in any case) between the time the floods occurred and the satellite images were taken. Criticism of Pakistan on this count is therefore dishonest.

And every nation has humanitarian issues - lets not forget the hundreds of million in poverty in India, and the huge amounts of money she spends on her own military, space and nuclear programs.
I remember the article that you are referring to. The reporter in that article was questioning the logic of her contributing to the flood relief in Pakistan, especially when its near bankrupt government was diverting precious resources to fancy weapons. If you look at it from her point of view, you might grasp the essence of her argument.

She was mere pointing out the irony of spending so much on defense and then asking the international community for monetary assistance. Especially when you ask others you expose yourself to such criticism. What you don't pay back in coin, you must pay in dignity.
I fail to see how the argument of the author is any more valid given that the she chose to compare the money spent on F-16's years before the floods, with the money needed for the floods. A valid comparison would have been of a major defence acquisition made by Pakistan in the immediate aftermath of the floods. The author's criticizm, as in the case of the WSJ author, is invalid.
This is not the first time i am hearing this. Now, when there is so much criticism from all fronts, sometimes it is better to look inwards and introspect as to why there is so much critical reporting. Is it because all the reporters are biased or there is so much wrong to report about?

I think I have clearly shown how the arguments of both authors are dishonest and therefore malicious lies to malign Pakistan. There is a good case for Indians and authors such as these to 'look inwards' and realize how dishonest and malicious their reporting (and the defence of such reporting) is.
 
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What I say is true, since the reactors could not be completed in a matter of days (satellite images before the floods show most of the construction as complete in any case) between the time the floods occurred and the satellite images were taken. Criticism of Pakistan on this count is therefore dishonest.

What about the huge amount of money spent on the nuke programme? People are amazed at the size of the nuclear programme, in relation to its size.


And every nation has humanitarian issues - lets not forget the hundreds of million in poverty in India, and the huge amounts of money she spends on her own military, space and nuclear programs.

Yes India has its humanitarian problems. But we spend a huge amount of money on these as well. If you have heard about the NREGS, subsidy,PDS and other GoI schemes you will know what i am speaking about. These schemes cost 2 to 3 times more that the entire defense budget of India. I don't see such spending in Pakistan.

I fail to see how the argument of the author is any more valid given that the she chose to compare the money spent on F-16's years before the floods, with the money needed for the floods. A valid comparison would have been of a major defence acquisition made by Pakistan in the immediate aftermath of the floods. The author's criticizm, as in the case of the WSJ author, is invalid.

I think she was referring to the recent purchase of F-16's, not the ones that were bought during Musharraf's time.
 
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Indians has right to contradict or oppose the nuclear energy, but consensus has built among Pakistani people and establishment, after Indian blockade of water. Pakistan wants to built the dam, but how can Pak trust India, when they already block water so many times.
Basically its Indian policies which pushing Pakistan to built reactor.Otherwise water is the most cheapest form of energy.

Would you stop kidding yourself..are you seriously looking for an excuse to build nuclear power plants(don't..coz you don't need to )

And not once has Pakistani water been stopped!!..ask you own experts.. don't blame India for your inability to build a consensus to build dams .

In India we thank Nehru for his vision of "Dams being temples of modern India"..but now as world is changing India needs other sources(more greener) of energy too.

So go head try to get a nuclear deal but I don't think Pakistan has enough lever to extract one from US...you can try one from China ..but China too will have tough time getting it passed through NSG ..so any deal from China will too be a short term measure.
 
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