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Pakistan – Israel Ties, Relations and Recognition

HI,

A country that is not recognized several states, captured on stolen land. Unfortunaletly zionists fail to understand that this is not some 16 century where you can go with sticks and stones and capture someone's land. No natter how hard the invaders try they will always fail. we will always see how Pilots will announce that they landed in Palestine and all the invaders can do is cry about it.
 
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As the Quran says Jews will be worst in enmity to Muslims, and Quran being the word of Allah it will be disastrous , No need to accept Israel our energies be more inclined to help our muslims brothers to take back the land from where they r being thrown out and it wont be b first time we muslims have did it before in past, only way is be one in name of Islam, Quran as our guide.
 
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Pakistan should avoid Israel and any relations with them. This nation can NOT be sincere with any Muslim nations ever. We have plenty of examples from the history of Islam about their 'hypocrisy'. We should learn from those lessons and apply them now. Else wise, it can be harmful for Pakistan to keep any knot tie with them.
 
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Your grasp of events is very poor. Everybody who has been slaved to the Palestinian Arab narrative (look at the globalvoices link, there's no better way to put it) has such problems.
of of course idk events accg to timeline .. and i will follow our own narrative.. everyone does the same...
majority of jews who occupied Paletine had russian, german, polish, autrian, etc nationalities.. they were foreigners.. they took control of the lands with the backing of super power british empire. that can't be justified.
its like russia taking control over georgian territories and ukarine... nobody can challenge them but the world is not accepting their occupation despite people of the occupied territories speak russian. so its not about time or heritage.
i believe after UN formation we mustn't allow such kind of tactics (ow Europeans killed native american. pre WWs even colonial period) or we will need another world war and a new UN...

As the Quran says Jews will be worst in enmity to Muslims, and Quran being the word of Allah it will be disastrous , N
holy Prophet SW used to have trades with jews, pagans, Christians etc. No harm having treaties, trade or relation.. but whenver u quote from Quran going through tafseer is essential...

like i know something about "...jews can't be your friend...." is because even out of sincerity they can lead you away from Islam.. like on jumma days, closing your business is kind of necessary.. Now you receive a big order on cost of your jumma prayer.. if you consult a muslim, he may say 'postpone the order and offer jumma first'.. whereas a jew friend may put business before jumma.. as ignorantly, but with sincerity, he is trying to give you the suggestion of not losing profit from that order .. @EnggineerShahjehan
 
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Then you deny Pakistan the moral and economic benefits that accrue from recognizing and normalizing relations with Israel.

As I said to you earlier, selective reading and hearing is a disease. Either reply to my comments in full for whatever I wrote with your counter arguments or dont bother.

As a 200 million strong nation which started its journey literally empty handed, we have become one of the most powerful nations. Do you really think we need blessings of a tiny state called Israel to move forward? And if you have noticed that Pakistani look west policy has been replaced with look east (bar India). That shipped has already sailed, and here you are still selling your kosher of so called economic benefits from western civilization.

You need to sell yourself to Pakistan, be in its good books, as junior, then who knows? At the moment you are doing the exact opposite to p|ss off Pakistan by bedding our mortal enemy.
 
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I kinda agree.. But apart from our mullah mafia... Such a step would harm our relationship with ME states ... Unless Pak diplomats can play it "correctly"... And Pak sorts its own house (atleast economically).
Those states themselves have relation
 
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If we can have relation with India i find no reason why we cant have relation with Israel

Why not ? for sake of IDF chicks , i support relationship with Israel :smitten:
I am more interested in the non idf chicks :D

Pakistan should avoid Israel and any relations with them. This nation can NOT be sincere with any Muslim nations ever. We have plenty of examples from the history of Islam about their 'hypocrisy'. We should learn from those lessons and apply them now. Else wise, it can be harmful for Pakistan to keep any knot tie with them.
Why not i mean relations with Israel can benifit us greatly in defence,agri and industrial sector
 
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Pakistan should avoid Israel and any relations with them. This nation can NOT be sincere with any Muslim nations ever. We have plenty of examples from the history of Islam about their 'hypocrisy'. We should learn from those lessons and apply them now. Else wise, it can be harmful for Pakistan to keep any knot tie with them.

Then how is it that many other Muslim countries have good relationships with Israel, if what you say is true?
 
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Noor DahriNoor Dahri is an independent researcher based in London, UK. He has studied Counter Terrorism from International Institute for CounterTerrorism ICT- Herzliya - Israel.





Pakistan is an ideological country, as is the State of Israel. In the 20th century, only two countries emerged on the map of the earth in the name of religion; the Islamic State of Pakistan and the Jewish State of Israel. Both countries have nuclear technology and both have not yet ratified the NPT (Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty). This action shows that both states do not want to restrain their nuclear capability and always want to be seen to be tough for the enemy of the states. Israel and Pakistan never ever wanted their destruction through striking each other and, on many occasions, not only cooperated but divvied up their combined intelligence issues.


According to the report conducted by Azriel Bermant:

“Pakistan is the first Muslim state with a nuclear weapons program, it does not call for Israel’s destruction or sponsor terror attacks against Israel”.

History has shown that Israel never wanted her enemies and constantly desired to hold close and solid links with those nations who still want her destruction. Israel was the first Jewish state to offer peaceful handshake with Pakistan just after her independence. Pakistan and Israel are historical twins and there are many political and religious similarities and coexistence.

Late Pakistani General and Dictator Muhammad Zia –ul-Haq said:

“Pakistan is like Israel, an ideological state, Take out the Judaism from Israel and it will fall like a house of cards. Take Islam out of Pakistan and make it a secular state; it would collapse.”

General Zia –ul-Haq wanted bilateral relations with Israel, and in fact, he established secret intelligence cooperation with Israel over different operations.

Despite the nation of Pakistan, the government of Pakistan does not hate Israel at all because Pakistan accepts the powerful growth and Israeli influence in the world. Pakistan always seeks help and Israeli cooperation whenever it is needed and, on many political matters, Israel unconditionally has helped Pakistan. Israel has always wanted good relations with Pakistan since its birth.

The actual intention of writing this article is to bring to the Pakistani nation the reality that is the State of Israel. Pakistani political leaders, army generals, diplomats, journalists and establishment have always wanted a good relationship with the State of Israel – which is a good outcome but, regrettably, the fear of radical Mullahs or an extremist type nation did not pull in these pillars in order to step forward towards Israel.

Pakistan and the Pakistani nation is branded as a land and country of terrorism by the international community, and now Pakistan has a prime opportunity to shed this label with the help of Israel and to show the world that Pakistan is ready and more capable to nurture and preserve these historical links.

Pakistan could help solve the Palestine issue with the assistance of Israel because Palestine and other Arab countries see Pakistan as a most valuable, dependable and reliable state. Palestine is a political issue instead of a religious one and it could be resolved by political efforts. Pakistan has the ability to solve this more complex matter if it maintains good and equal relations with the State of Israel.

Israel has always called for positive steps to shake hands with Pakistan and Pakistan has also joined forces with Israel in sensitive issues; it turns out that it is in Pakistan’s national interest to go with Israel publicly.

The country of Israel is a reality and as eligible as Pakistan, and the country of Israel is as powerful and nuclear as Pakistan. There are many similarities and common perceptions between both countries, so let’s work together and get the peace regardless of religious belief, race, colour and hatred.

Israel has never been Pakistan’s enemy and has always offered good wishes for Pakistan because Israel knows that Pakistan is a bright reality and she has always welcomed the call from Pakistan. Moreover, good relations with Israel could help Pakistan to improve its shape in the eyes of the international political community.

The Pakistani nation is under horrific influence of extreme Mullah Mafia who do not want its nation to move forward and make good ties with the International community; especially with the State of Israel although Israel never posed any political or security threat to Pakistan.

Pakistan cannot achieve its political goals without the assistance of Israel and Israel is the only country to have a strong influence through her solid political connection in the US politics. Pakistan has succeeded in many political goals with the assistance of the advocated American Jewry in Congress.

According to Pirzada Hasaan Hashmi, a political activist:

“Israel has the strongest lobbying powers in the world. If Israel and Pakistan are on good terms, we can use this lobbying to foster healthy relationships with other countries, because other than Saudi Arabia [and China], no major country supports Pakistan”.

In the era of ex-military chief and former president of Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan had maintained very powerful relations with Israel but it did not go forward due to pressure from Pakistan’s extreme religious parties.

Nowadays, there is one prime similarity between Pakistan and Israel; both countries are at war with Islamic terrorism and they are both fighting the disease of religious extremism which has severely impacted their respective image as well as affects their wider status on the world stage

The Pakistani nation has ascended in the 21st century through social media and there are many people in the nation who have openly demonstrated their support and solidarity with Israel. They are very keen to establish political relations and move beyond the hatred. This more mature population, however, is still in the minority because of religious extremists’ influence in the society of Pakistan, who can tolerate relations with India at some point but who have no word in their religious dictionary to pursue and establish close relations with the Jewish State of Israel.

The people of the country are a tangible power and they can alter the destiny of the country. The people of Pakistan need to step up to the plate and send a strong message to the religious community, challenging and changing its hateful and inciteful behaviour towards non-Muslim states. It needs a revolutionary change in Pakistan which can bring a real Islamic and democratic country. Political Islam has put the country into a catastrophic situation in the world.

The State of Pakistan should take a bold step by not only making close relations with Israel, but also recognising the State of Israel without any religious fear – because recognition of the State of Israel would not harm any religious virtue. Turkey has not only recognised the State of Israel but also has very substantial military and intelligence cooperation with Israel, which has made Turkey a very strong country economically as well as politically in the world.



http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/pakistan-israel-ties-relations-and-recognition/

I think the author does not know that Israel has NEVER accepted its a nuclear state, its constitution does not define its borders and has attacked and spied on the country that blesses it with the largest aid with high tec military aid moreover crying and begging for the holocaust is multi billion dollar industry now for Israel.
I ain't no mullah but there is no end to lies and deception of the Zionism. Frankly speaking ttp and Zionism are the only terrorists in the world that are famous for killing babies.
 
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Then how is it that many other Muslim countries have good relationships with Israel, if what you say is true?

We don't do everything after seeing what other Muslim countries are doing.
So why now? Our interests don't lie with them.
Relationship with Israel will benefit less, but might damage it more. we are not in state of new experiments on international level. And can't afford another 'munafiq' friend.
 
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We don't do everything after seeing what other Muslim countries are doing.
So why now? Our interests don't lie with them.
Relationship with Israel will benefit less, but might damage it more. we are not in state of new experiments on international level. And can't afford another 'munafiq' friend.

Are Pakistanis somehow "better" Muslims than those other countries?
 
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We had enough fruits of aid and support which resulted as our help to US in Afghanistan yet we are dealing the mess and facing the terrorism which cost us enough lives but still being blamed for situation. Once again, such ties, support and aid by Israel will ultimately make us responsible to support ISIS in future as well. We have learnt enough of our history and already have a friend. What other Muslim countries are having with Israel, is not subject for us at all but we can see how they are surviving by having a friend which is worse than a prominent enemy. Never to carry the past but never to forget, as future depends upon.

Pakistan Zindabad
 
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One more thing that needs to be considered judging by our relationship with America spanning many decades. What we have achieved out of this relationship? If one is living in some sort of delusion that recognizing Israel will bring us benefit, we would be dealing with the same bunch of people who are and have been ruling America behind the curtain. Same people, same mentality, same goals exists on both side of Atlantic. We will only be giving them more ingress into our country as a result, nothing more.
 
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