Pakistan is Learning the Wrong Lesson: Tactical Nuclear Weapons in South Asia

[Razia Sultana]

A nuke is a nuke be it a tactical or strategic. Its amazing to see how paranoid pakistan is that they dont feel safe even when they have nukes.

 

[notorious_eagle]

A nuke is a nuke be it a tactical or strategic. Its amazing to see how paranoid pakistan is that they dont feel safe even when they have nukes.

We feel very safe, its one more toy in our arsenal. You don't use a strategic nuke to fry up an Armoured Column, you need to reply with proportionate response according to the threat level.

 

[Razia Sultana]

We feel very safe, its one more toy in our arsenal. You don't use a strategic nuke to fry up an Armoured Column, you need to reply with proportionate response according to the threat level.

You dont use a sword to remove a thorn, you dont need a nuke to halt an armoured column. However, its your threat perception and its your defence strategy. Thats why i used the term paranoid.

 

[Levina]

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But will India dare to implement implement Cold Start, if it would lead to a nuclear war? If not, deterrence has been achieved.

If war was what India was aiming at then we (Ind-Pak) would have fought many wars by now or we would have never given up terroritories captured.
Tac nukes are Pak's way of blackmailing India into keeping quiet dispite being aware of its covert ways of attacking India.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Tactical nucs are the best solutions for pak at this time.

 

[Menace2Society]

Nuclear countries don't break. The nuclear umbrella is paramount to keep the union together.

This is why many countries chased it. Not everyone made it.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Nuclear countries don't break. The nuclear umbrella is paramount to keep the union together.

This is why many countries chased it. Not everyone made it.

union of soviet socialist republics (ussr) aka soviet union broke up into 15 new nation and not a single bullet was fired by its enemies

 

[OrionHunter]

Read this many times , get over it one thing is so pathetic for many to understand over and over again specially Indians to understand how can you attack a nation and may it be limited or full scale in reality there is nothing that is limited a attack is a attack and you think that Pakistan won't respond please wake up and hope for peace rather then war because it won't be pretty for both nations.

And you're a 'Think Tank Analyst"? Jeeez!

Attack a nation? Didn't you do that in Kargil? Didn't you do that when you attacked the Indian Parliament and Mumbai? These were acts of war. Period!

So as per you, Pakistan will respond to a conventional attack with tactical nukes? You must be out of your mind. Do you even realize that firing even one tactical nuke by Pakistan would result in a massive nuclear retaliation by India that'll destroy all your command and control centres, industry, power stations, dams, oil refineries, ports, airfields and other infrastructure etc before you can even blink an eye? The Indian reaction would be fast and furious.

Pakistan's nuclear counter-force strategy to an Indian response will be met by a counter-value (counter city) nuclear riposte so devastating that Pakistan will have little or no time to react. Pakistan would be destroyed before it can deploy its nuclear assets against India.

The bottom line is that nuclear use at the tactical level would lead to a strategic response and an uncontrollable escalation. And remember, you would need at least 10,000 or more nuclear bombs of nominal yield (20kt) to have an affect on India, as well as thousands of missiles to carry them, whereas, India would need just about 50 to destroy the whole of Pakistan. And before rubbishing this, I suggest you check out the ADTs (Atomic Demolition Templates).

So it boils down to what all strategists the world over are saying: Use of tactical nukes is a bad bad idea. But Pak strategists think otherwise and needless to say, are in a cosy world of their own, thinking they'll win a conventional war with their tactical nuclear weapons!

 

[Max Pain]

before you can even blink an eye? The Indian reaction would be fast and furious.

 

[Last Samuri]

Tactile nuke attack on Indian formation will be the end of Pakistan.

The only defense for Pakistan is to avoid any conflict with their much stronger neighbour. Your army and isi need to accept the status quo

 

[A1Kaid]

Your tacticle nukes are not going to help you. With a 60 KM range the NASR missile will not be able to reach any major Indian city like Delhi, Mumbai etc. Most likely you will end up nuking and Indian Army column in your own territory. IF this happens whther you use strategic or tacticle nuke India will respond with massive second strike which will do utmost damage to Pakistan.

The concept of MAD does not apply to India - Pakistan because of our large area. Sure India will suffer in a nuclear war but we can bounce back but due to smaller area of Pakistan it will be difficult for Pakistan to survive a nuclear war

There would be nothing left of India and India would break up into mini-states in that post-nuclear scenario. Pakistan has superior nuclear delivery capabilities and superior nuclear command structure than India according to several reports.

 

[MilSpec]

There would be nothing left of India and India would break up into mini-states in that post-nuclear scenario. Pakistan has superior nuclear delivery capabilities and superior nuclear command structure than India according to several reports.

Pakistan Army has quite a streak of self -Preservation. Going nuclear means relinquishing it's grip on the country. With every defeat at the hands of Indians, Pakistan Army's choke hold on the nation gets stronger. What makes you think it would be any different the next time around. Remember Pakistani Army is extremely smart, it would shamelessly surrender than taking insurmountable losses as demonstrated in 71. If it fought till the last man, it could have dealt deadly blow to Indians, it chose self preservation and then consolidated it;s grip even harder on pakistan.... Every time Pakistan looses, it's a big win for Pakistani Army and strengthening of Indian Boogeman Syndrome.

As far as your delivery system is concerned, you might want to look up the Agni program, especially Shaurya, Agni III and Agni IIprime, K4, and K15 (all Solid fuel, all LFTC RV capable) which are Pakistan specific delivery systems. Don't go by some cheap media report but objectively analyse the capabilities of the system and you will very well know where the two sides stand viz-a-viz delivery systems.

India went Nuclear long before pakistan did, and still did not invade pakistan, as it never did and will have any territorial designs on pakistan. But the stating the contrary will keep PA machinery chugging along. The Army's deprivation of the state is so evident where you have nuclear weapons built, but in 67 years could not build a locomotive engine.

 

[SipahSalar]

Pakistan Army has quite a streak of self -Preservation. Going nuclear means relinquishing it's grip on the country. With every defeat at the hands of Indians,

How the hell did you equate nuclear weapons with "relinquishing" control of the country?

India went Nuclear long before pakistan did, and still did not invade pakistan, as it never did and will have any territorial designs on pakistan.

Because you could not. Because of US threats. I'm sure Indira Gandhi wanted to prolong the conflict but it was simply out of her hands.

What makes you think it would be any different the next time around.

110 nuclear weapons beg to differ. There will be no winners. Only a fool will think there can be a winner in nuclear war.

 

[MilSpec]

How the hell did you equate nuclear weapons with "relinquishing" control of the country?

Once you press the button there will be nothing left on your side either...

 

[SipahSalar]

Didn't you do that when you attacked the Indian Parliament and Mumbai? These were acts of war. Period!

If it was an act of war why didn't India declare war? Scared?

So as per you, Pakistan will respond to a conventional attack with tactical nukes? You must be out of your mind. Do you even realize that firing even one tactical nuke by Pakistan would result in a massive nuclear retaliation by India that'll destroy all your command and control centres, industry, power stations, dams, oil refineries, ports, airfields and other infrastructure etc before you can even blink an eye? The Indian reaction would be fast and furious.

You don't know how wars are fought. Common sense dictates that If Pakistan decided to use tactical nukes, It will also order extra vigilance and ready its nuclear missiles for launch on very short notice EXPECTING an Indian strategic response, so if India did decide to up the ante Strategic Division may launch its nukes before Indian missiles even touch the ground.

The bottom line is that nuclear use at the tactical level would lead to a strategic response and an uncontrollable escalation. And remember, you would need at least 10,000 or more nuclear bombs of nominal yield (20kt) to have an affect on India, as well as thousands of missiles to carry them, whereas, India would need just about 50 to destroy the whole of Pakistan. And before rubbishing this, I suggest you check out the ADTs (Atomic Demolition Templates).

Umm, the yield is actually around 450kT as that's how big non-thermonuclear weapons can get, its just that 20kT is what we have tested so far. we just need to take out the major population centers which we are fully capable of, no one cares about the villages.

Once you press the button there will be nothing left on your side either...

OF COURSE. That's what i said didn't i? No winners. Its just that Pakistan knows India has more to lose if there are no winners.