Pakistan is collecting tax from Indian held Kashmir, Hina Rabbani Khar

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

I'll be frank and repeat what has been my consisten position - Kashmiri Muslims may/may not be part of India (it is their personal choice) but the Land of Jammu and Kashmir was/is/will be ours.

And btw no Atlas is going to change their map because 'your highness' doesnt think yourself an Indian.

Your post reminds me of Mubarak; scratch that, it reminds me of the British whom occupied India for over 100 years. And for your sake, stop using the term "Kashmiri Muslims", we are all Kashmiri. I don't know about India, but here (in Kashmir) we'd rather refer to each other by our religion.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

Looking at your current situation thinhs does not seems to favour you much........how do you plan to achieve your objectives.....in particular how you plan to overcome few of these difficulties-

1) Pakistan is not in a position to help you much except some lip servive

2) ALL world powers have surprisingly ignored your cause this year only

3) Poor leadership

4) Emerging India which is becoming powerful day by day


and lastly--> who do you think your future lies with......and what will you do with Jammu, Leh and kasmiri pandits......they have been out of home for >20 yrs you see......

British Kashmiris have been out of Kashmir, for 40 years. Yet the JKLF was formed in Birmingham, UK by Kashmiris. I do not care for the Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Pandits of Jammu and Leh as they are all Kashmiri, I care for them as my Kashmiri brothers.

For your test paper, please refer to Mao, who famously said "revolution is not a dinner party". It's a struggle, and they're didn't get their reputation for being tea parties.

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yes , you are not an indian for sure , but land belong to us , you are illegally occupied it , and there is nothing funny about it

And how exactly did I illegally occupy Kashmir? I'm intrigued.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Was the 'same' told to a Bihari or a Punjabi migrating to Pakistan in 1947 or the 'same' muttered to a Sindhi or a Punjabi who was fleeing to India ?? I guess not.

non-issue and not related at all....move on

So the Kashmiris get the same ,uniform treatment. You see they are not some God's chosen people.

no because Kashmir was one issue (among others) which were unresolved (disputed)....of course we could harp about Junagadh or Deccan Hyderabad (where the locals were clearly pro-Pakistan) but I wont do that

issue of contention is Kashmir, and will remain so until it is solved to the satisfaction of Kashmiris (whom are clearly not pro-indian, though a handful are not exactly pro-Pakistan i.e. want total independence)

With due respect, how much land we own and how exactly we tend to it are none of your business.

that's true; Quite frankly I'm happy to have nothing to do at all (ancestrally, or otherwise) with those lands

of course it's your business....

however, Kashmir is a disputed territory --as recognized by UN and by the world -- so therefore it's silly and comical to claim it is an integral part of hindustan

our national position on this matter is quite crystal clear and has been discussed extensively in this forum

 

[KS]

Your post reminds me of Mubarak; scratch that, it reminds me of the British whom occupied India for over 100 years.

Here comes another comparing the fall of British empire to India's supposed collapse in Kashmir. I would suggest you first look upto history,geography and statistics before coming up with it.

And for your sake, stop using the term "Kashmiri Muslims", we are all Kashmiri. I don't know about India, but here (in Kashmir) we'd rather refer to each other by our religion.

Why should I stop ?? Is reality hurting ??

I will use it until all the internally displaced Kashmiri Pandits,Sikhs and Buddhists who were driven out of their homes to establish an Islamic Caliphate return to their homes without any fear and words like "Kashmir ka matlab kya......." stop.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

I cannot/will not force them to be something that they dont want to.

But the land is Indian which is non-negotiable.

If they want , they can live as Indians in JnK,else they can follow the example of millions of Punjabis,Biharis and move onto their promised land. No one will miss them or will be holding them back.

Sorry, but we won't budge. Though, I do have a question, why didn't the Indians migrate to China during the British Raj.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

Here comes another comparing the fall of British empire to India's supposed collapse in Kashmir. I would suggest you first look upto history,geography and statistics before coming up with it.



Why should I stop ?? Is reality hurting ??

I will use it until all the internally displaced Kashmiri Pandits,Sikhs and Buddhists who were driven out of their homes to establish an Islamic Caliphate return to their homes without any fear and words like "Kashmir ka matlab kya......." stop.

If India is a democracy, why doesn't it allow Freedom of Speech? And no, I won't call the displaced by their religions. They are Kashmiris, and no different to me w/e their religion is, however, what I will call is those that drove them out as extremists.

Also, I didn't compare the Raj's fall to India's eventual fall in Kashmir. Raj fell for different reasons, I merely used it to voice what your posted reminded me of. If you care to make speculations based on that, or indeed realizations, you're free to carry on in a relevant thread.

 

[KS]

non-issue and not related at all....move on

no because Kashmir was one issue (among others) which were unresolved (disputed)....of course we could harp about Junagadh or Deccan Hyderabad (where the locals were clearly pro-Pakistan) but I wont do that

Yes we have moved on....but it is Pakistan that is stuck up in Kashmir. So it would be more appropriate if I say, "Move on !"

issue of contention is Kashmir, and will remain so until it is solved to the satisfaction of Kashmiris (whom are clearly not pro-indian, though a handful are not exactly pro-Pakistan i.e. want total independence)

We dont treat it as a contention and by treating it as a 'contention' your country is only wasting its resources which could be used productively otherwise.

But hey who am I to say that - as it anyways serves India's purpose for Pakistan to be perpetually stuck up on Kashmir

And I would suggest you look up to the numbers in the Valley wanting independence from both India and Pakistan and those wanting to join Pakistan. HInt:- you would not like that answer.

that's true; Quite frankly I'm happy to have nothing to do at all (ancestrally, or otherwise) with those lands

of course it's your business....

Wow ! the feeling is mutual.

however, Kashmir is a disputed territory --as recognized by UN and by the world -- so therefore it's silly and comical to claim it is an integral part of hindustan

our national position on this matter is quite crystal clear and has been discussed extensively in this forum

Whatever - who cares for some moth-eaten resolutions passed by the UN. As long as you people need a visa to travel to JnK that aint comical.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

well apparently, those who criss cross the LoC end up being dubbed ISI militants and end up getting killed in fake encounters

there hasnt even been a proper commission set up over the mass graves, has there?

 

[KS]

Sorry, but we won't budge. Though, I do have a question, why didn't the Indians migrate to China during the British Raj.

All the best for your future !

If India is a democracy, why doesn't it allow Freedom of Speech? And no, I won't call the displaced by their religions. They are Kashmiris, and no different to me w/e their religion is, however, what I will call is those that drove them out as extremists.

Good now that we agree on something, first take steps to weed out those 'extremists' like Geelani,Andrabi etc ,welcome back the Pandits, give them back their property,homes, the lives of the Pandits who were killed and then we can talk.

Also, I didn't compare the Raj's fall to India's eventual fall in Kashmir. Raj fell for different reasons, I merely used it to voice what your posted reminded me of. If you care to make speculations based on that, or indeed realizations, you're free to carry on in a relevant thread.

Again agree with you - the Raj fell for entirely different reasons (the prime being Hitler,Mussolini and Gen Tojo). And ,India, I dont see getting into any of those silly escapades and will be there to stay.Come what may.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

All the best for your future !



Good now that we agree on something, first take steps to weed out those 'extremists' like Geelani,Andrabi etc ,welcome back the Pandits, give them back their property,homes, the lives of the Pandits who were killed and then we can talk.



Again agree with you - the Raj fell for entirely different reasons (the prime being Hitler,Mussolini and Gen Tojo). And ,India, I dont see getting into any of those silly escapades and will be there to stay.Come what may.

Geelani isn't an extremist in religious terms, so I wouldn't term him as such, though I do have some faults with him. Pandits can come back at any time, we don't have to be put on :pause: ; this isn't a dinner party, it's a struggle for freedom. If J&K is really Indian, and India loves the Pandits more than the "Kashmiri Muslims"; why hasn't it returned the Pandits to Kashmir? It has 700,000 troops for their "protection".

 

[KS]

well apparently, those who criss cross the LoC end up being dubbed ISI militants and end up getting killed in fake encounters

there hasnt even been a proper commission set up over the mass graves, has there?

Those criss-crossing into Indian territory must know they will be shot if they dont have valid visa papers...General knowledge 101.

 

[Peshwa]

Sorry, but we won't budge. Though, I do have a question, why didn't the Indians migrate to China during the British Raj.

No one is asking you to migrate....especially to a "foreign land".....

We Indians consider Kashmiris as part of our own, as long as they respect and follow Indian rule.....But if you're a seperatist.....then we care little for you...
The land of Kashmir stays here...if you choose not to live with us, then you can move onto the land that provides moral and material support to your kind.....Its not a foreign land...its the country that was created for the Muslims of the subcontinent (that couldnt live in a secular society)....which also happens to be the instigator of this conflict...

PS: Pray tell....if you seek independence for Kashmir...why havent you started by imploring Pakistani members to free Pakistan occupied Kashmir?
It happens to be Azad only in name if you havent figured that out yet!

 

[KS]

Geelani isn't an extremist in religious terms, so I wouldn't term him as such, though I do have some faults with him.:pause:

Well he is an extremist in our perspective and many events are witness to that.

Pandits can come back at any time, we don't have to be put on .this isn't a dinner party, it's a struggle for freedom. If J&K is really Indian, and India loves the Pandits more than the "Kashmiri Muslims"; why hasn't it returned the Pandits to Kashmir? It has 700,000 troops for their "protection".

Is that so simple as you type on a keyboard ?? Never knew it.

But I also must concede to you here, the Indian state has terribly failed the Pandits be it in 1989 or in subsequent years. Hope some government wakes up to this in the future atleast.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

Well he is an extremist in our perspective and many events are witness to that.



Is that so simple as you type on a keyboard ?? Never knew it.

But I also must concede to you here, the Indian state has terribly failed the Pandits be it in 1989 or in subsequent years. Hope some government wakes up to this in the future atleast.

If the Indian state has failed the group of Kashmiris whom it regularly uses as justification for it's 700,000 troops in Kashmir; then what can it give to Kashmiris as a whole?

 

[metro]

If the Indian state has failed the group of Kashmiris whom it regularly uses as justification for it's 700,000 troops in Kashmir; then what can it give to Kashmiris as a whole?

i said, if u dont like India, and dont want to be a part of this country, then u can go back to where u come from.