Pakistan Independence - Why Pakistan?

[k_n]

I have no misgivings about the creation of Pakistan. In fact I am in agreement with Mr Jinnah and actually thankful to him for the creation of Pakistan despite the birth pains during its creation when scores of our people died. I am in total agreement with the founder of Pakistan when he stated that an Islamic state was necessary to satisfy the needs of millions of Muslims in India to live under the rules of the Q'uran. I stand corrected but from what I have been told, Mr Jinnah actually requested an autonomous state within India to be named Pakistan. Congress and Pundit Nehru in their haste, refused to accommodate that request. An independent Pakistan should have been created but the rush in creating that country resulted in the problems which it faces today. Pakistan should have been created by consensus between the people of India. Trusting the colonial masters to create east and west Pakistan was the biggest mistake made by the people of India and Pakistan

CORE REASON leading the Muslim League to demand for an Autonomous federation of territories within Indian Union with majority muslim population and incorporating principalities under Muslim rulers in the above federation was THE MISTRUST AND SUSPISCION that muslim interests can't be taken care of under the rule/government of Hindu majority Congress . This mistrust had led to communal electorates and later to PARTITION .
The QUESTION is , what led the Muslim League leaders to wonder and fear such domination by Hindus in the political sphere ?
ANSWER provided by an average Pakistani to this is : Since , majority population of British India was Hindu and the fact that Congress which was a 'Hindu' political party swept the polls in 1946 in general elctorates reaffirms our grievances that we would have had an Anti-Muslim party governing US ( read muslims ) and thereby making us to foresake our religious practises under Hindu Rule with no safety of life/property and a bleak future in academics n career owing to 'CERTAIN' discrimination which the hindu community would have practised against US ( read muslim ) .

Well , the Muslim League supporters of that era forget , contrary to what many supporters of 2 Nation theory claim , that the COLONIAL MASTERS didnt gave any special treatment to a single religious community during their tenure as our masters . If the Indian middle class during first half of 19th century was majority Non-Muslim then it had to do with the inability of muslims to mainstream themselves with the changing times , thereby relatively lagging behind .
Thus , they had their clergy and 'Reformers' to blame and not Hindus .
The reasons for Nehru and Patel to decide in 'HASTE' were
1. The NEED for a STRONG CENTRE governing the country
2. To reject the idea projected by Muslim League of being the sole representative of Muslim community .

Contrary to what pakistanis say , The Indians in this forum , i am sure , reiterate and appreciate the need to reject INDIA being governed in 'Groups' under 'Religious Parties' . Pakistan shouldnt have been created as its the LIVING PROOF of the ideology known as '2 NATION THEORY' .
Besides , it wasnt just Nehru-Patel combined ego ( if thats what u want to call the rejection of the idea of GROUPINGS and division of political class b/w Hindu & Muslim ) behind the 'Haste' ONLY ...
The incidents like 'Direct and Noakhali' in East n 'Rawalpindi - Hazara Div in north-west . Besides , new taxation policies hittin hard the Industrial Houses ( Congree financiers ) and remaining numb on Land Reforms all along its agitation by Muslim League ( most funding to ML came from rish land-lord class ) contributed significantly to the 'HASTE' !

 

[Young-khan]

This notion that pakistan is secular is not true, those sikhs and hindus that stayed at time of partition made their choice to stay.

pakistan is an islamic republic, other people of different religions can live without fear, but that doesnt make pakistan secular.

pakistan was created in the name of islam, there is no compromise in that, so islam is the way forward not secularism.

india is a neo hindu extremist state full of injustices, it will be taken down by people of khurrasan and those pakistanis that are cosy with indians will feel the wrath of afghans and pushtoons, ALLAH'S CHOSEN PEOPLE.

 

[deesu]

india is a neo hindu extremist state full of injustices, it will be taken down by people of khurrasan and those pakistanis that are cosy with indians will feel the wrath of afghans and pushtoons, ALLAH'S CHOSEN PEOPLE.

I came to this forum to understand pakistan and pakistanis...
each one here represent his country... my feeling is that one needs to earn respect for himself and his country, that can only be done by giving respect to others and their country.
my friend the statements u gave can only create hatred towards each other.. try to be modest..

 

[vsdoc]

I stopped reading the article after the part about "vast majority of Muslims" supporting the creation of Pakistan.

What are we even debating about, when we have an EQUAL number of well adjusted, patriotic, loyal muslims in India who are living in a country which is a future world power ..... against the backdrop of the other where they could have landed up had their fathers and grandfathers chosen otherwise?

Do we even need to debate about the merits and demerits of that choice made 62 years ago?

Are we not seeing it in technicolour daily in our newspapers and on our TV sets?

The ideological edifice of the Two-Nation theory died a prenatal death in 1947 itself, the day HALF the Muslim population chose to stay with secular India.

The last rites were completed in 1971.

And now today on the cusp of 2010 we seem to have come full circle, with Pakistan on the brink once more.

The question today which every Pakistani cannot bring him or herself to verbalise on a forum with so many Indians present is ......

Who's next?

But what they will verbalize as weakly consolatory bravado, which assumes a strangely poignant rather than inflammatory note after you've heard it for the third or fourth time, will invariably center along the following delusions -

1) We ruled them for a thousand years ..... conveniently donning another's mantle, blurring the blood boundaries of the "we" and "them", preferring instead to adopt the newer identity of a religion than the common ancient one of a land and a people.

2) We'd rather be s.crewed in our own country, than one under the dominion of Hindu India ..... as if there was an option of saying otherwise ..... now ..... seriously!

As an Indian, I am nobody to give advice to Pakistanis, but seeing as how the above two refrains come predominantly from the callow youth than from the more seasoned Pakistanis, I would really like to see this generation of Pakistanis, once they have gotten their country back on track, discard once and for all this India baggage they carry, handed down to them by their fathers and uncles.

You are Pakistanis. Your country is Pakistan. Celebrate if you can your past common links with India. But do not let it be a millstone around your necks with comments such as the above ..... cause you are only fooling yourselves.

Take charge of your own country and stop living a reactionary existence to what's happening across the border. You have enough going in your own country to bother about which should take you at least 10 years, if not twenty, to right and move beyond.

It will be even longer if you do not forget about India.

Its your country. Its your choice. Dont expect anyone else to make it for you.

Cheers, Doc

 

[jupiter2007]

This notion that pakistan is secular is not true, those sikhs and hindus that stayed at time of partition made their choice to stay.

pakistan is an islamic republic, other people of different religions can live without fear, but that doesnt make pakistan secular.

Pakistan is neither Secular nor Islamic state. In reality, Pakistan is a puppet state (Even though Master left but it is still controlling it remotely).

Where is Islam in Pakistan? I didn't see Islam in Pakistan, where in Masjid? In Houses? In government? in Court system? Where? A country which was found on the religion of Islam and less then 3% people are practicing Islam. and within 3% Muslim you will find some with very extreme views.

pakistan was created in the name of islam, there is no compromise in that, so islam is the way forward not secularism.

Why Islamic scholars in British India were against the creation of Pakistan? Were they against Secularism?

india is a neo hindu extremist state full of injustices, it will be taken down by people of khurrasan and those pakistanis that are cosy with indians will feel the wrath of afghans and pushtoons, ALLAH'S CHOSEN PEOPLE.

You lost me with the above comments.....care to explain???

Here is want I think....Pakistan from conception until now had tons of Problems, and it's still facing problems.

India is Pakistan's natural friend because of culture, history and background, but instead of resolving minor differences both fought and spread hatred against each other (Mainly from Indian side because of Inferiority complex even though Pakistan is 1/4 size of India).
Little bit of background info: British were smart they leaned it from World War 1 that they need to divide Muslims. During World War I the British made slight efforts to cultivate Ibn Saud's friendship. British fought against Ottoman Empire (Turkey) in Battle of Basra, then they picked a Ibn Saud 17 years old and made him a King. British used Arabs to fight against Ottoman Empire (Turks).

Many of you probably wondering why Arabs, especially Saudis, hate Pakistani.? and Why Turks like Pakistani? Here is one of the reason, Arabs requested British to help them fight against Ottoman Empire. Arabs never like the idea of ajaam ruling against Arab? This is one of the reason Most Arabs don't like aajaami.
British send their troops to support the arabs, but Muslims in British Indian army refuse to fight against Turkish troops of Ottoman Empire. Why? because Turks were Muslims.

British learn from WW1 that they can't let Muslim unite in India. So 1st they split the Arabs and created Israel (Puppet Saud was always in favor of British). They needed a reason to divide Muslim in British India . British found Jinnah (agakhani) and persuaded him to start the Tehrik-e-Pakistan. [Muslim scholars fought British and they were against creation of Pakistan (only Ahmad Qadian & Ahmad Raza Khan was in favor of British)].
Jinnah dream of 2 nation theory didn't last long and east (Bangladesh) and west Pakistan split in 71. If the idea of 2 quam (Hindu & Muslim) was correct then we shouldn't lost Bangladesh.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

@vsdoc

Succintly and well said. Hope that the extremists and the ultra nationalist youths of Pakistan get that message.

Too often they focus more on India than their own nation. Mistakenly they believe that India and Indians hunger to have Pakistan "returned to India". If some of the Pakistani posters on this forum are a reflection of the future of Pakistan then I fear that MA Jinnah's ideal of a pure state entrenched in the word of God and growing within itself will surely fail.

 

[Kompromat]

^ Pakistani youth would rather think about "tissue papers running out" than thinking about India (Hindustan)

Its you guys who are phobic about Pakistan , your sheer Number on PDF speaks for itself.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

^ Pakistani youth would rather think about "tissue papers running out" than thinking about India (Hindustan)

Its you guys who are phobic about Pakistan , your sheer Number on PDF speaks for itself.

Ohhh so that is the reason why you see R&AW everywhere in Pakistan. Even under your bed at night

 

[vsdoc]

^^^ You guys have started using paper instead of water now?

I suggest you move back to water ..... will save your backside a heap of misery (please Google for fistula in ano and pilonidal sinus).

We'll even release a few extra lotas from our dams to help out .....

Cheers, Doc

 

[ek_indian]

India is Pakistan's natural friend because of culture, history and background, but instead of resolving minor differences both fought and spread hatred against each other (Mainly from Indian side because of Inferiority complex even though Pakistan is 1/4 size of India).