Leave it be pal, nothing fruitful will come of this back and forth....
This is precisely why you don't see any other BD users discussing this topic.
Good point buddy
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Leave it be pal, nothing fruitful will come of this back and forth....
This is precisely why you don't see any other BD users discussing this topic.
BD is not any family enterprise, Mujib or Zia. Bd needs fair general elections under genuine caretaker govts. Let people decide who is bad and inefficient and who is not.I know this very well. But be sure , after she is gone, at least no one from Zia family will be in power in Bangladesh .
I have no objection, of bd having better relations with pak
I am a bit of hardliner though.
1.I like would an official national apology from pak gov and senior military pak officers to be tried that we're there during 71'.
2.Also bd to be reimbursed fairly of the promised division of assets from pre 71' which pak kept the large amount to itself unfairly.
3.Possible compensations for the victims or family of victims of those civilians murdered during 71.
These few points, will make hardliners like me shut up. Also accept the partnership with pak to the full extent - then both countries can work together to screw india.
Yes, past is past. We must forge a new relationship that will last forever. Our forces are divided into two that needs to be re-united without uniting the two countries under one govt.Dont go in history, there are so many things which we Pakistanis ask for you guys for Government level apology.
Again this is your one sided story you are following.
Who were the responsible for killing of west pakistanis and their families by Mukti Bahni? Who were the responsible of mass genocide of biharis and after the war putting them into camps in a miserable condition?
Who were the responsible of siding with Enemy India to start unrest and start murdering of West Pakistani Military persons and their families before even any military operation started.
Dont read the India supported history of 1971... There are so much we can ask you to appologize..
If Pakistan Military did all the crime,,, then what was the justification of Zia ur Rehman and its men killed Mujeeb and its family.. and then his wife became the Prime Minister in recent past... If you think that pressing the insurgency by military is a war crime, then why not you are doing prosecution against your own Bangladeshi military persons...
Dont go in past, there were so many reasons of those incidents and so many were responsible including East Pakistani politicians and well along with RAW agents...
Then what are you waiting for ? Unit people and come to street , through out the illegal Hasina govt.Bd needs fair general elections under genuine caretaker govts.
I agreed that we should move forward with good relations and mutual trade. There is nothing we can fight upon now. We should work together to eliminate our combined enemies like in our neighbor.Yes, past is past. We must forge a new relationship that will last forever. Our forces are divided into two that needs to be re-united without uniting the two countries under one govt.
By the way, Ziaur Rahman had no hand in killing Sk. Mujib. Hasina Bibi wants to throw Zia to the political dustbin and this is why she repeats this nonsense story of Zia involvement in Mujib killing. If she is right, why Zia did not come to power on 15 August 1975 the day Mujib was killed?
Zia came to power when military and general population ushered him in 7 November 1975. He had not even executed this uprising by the people. On 3 Nov he was arrested by Brigadier Khaled Musharref and people released him on 7th. He saved the country two times at least. This is why people still love and respect him to the displeasure of Hasina Bibi.
@Atlas, Did I say here anything historically wrong?
Pakistan in diplomatic push to reset ties with Bangladesh
‘Closer people to people contacts will heal the wounds of the past’
Kamran Yousaf | July 19, 2020
There is a growing sense in Pakistan that the younger generation is especially keen to forge meaningful ties with Bangladesh. PHOTO: FILE
ISLAMABAD:
Pakistan is quietly making efforts to mend its ties with Bangladesh after certain developments in the region have provided a window of opportunity to both countries to seek rapprochement.
Diplomatic sources familiar with the development believe that the current regional environment has compelled Islamabad and Dhaka to seek reengagement.
Relations between the two countries have remained tense for the last many years. The two countries have yet to overcome the bitter memories of 1971 events that led to the creation of Bangladesh.
What led to the current low in their ties was the decision taken a few years ago by the incumbent government of Shaikh Hasina Wajid to try and execute several leaders of Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami on charges of committing war crimes in 1971.
Pakistan was against such what it called politically motivated trials. It also accused Dhaka of violating the 1974 trilateral agreement between Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. Under the agreement, all countries including Bangladesh had agreed not to pursue cases against people involved in the 1971 events.
Relationship between the two countries worsened to the extent that Pakistan's National Assembly in 2016 passed a unanimous resolution condemning the execution of JI leaders.
Not just that the Bangladesh government refused to approve the appointment of Pakistani High Commissioner for 20 months. Islamabad eventually had to make the fresh proposal for the appointment of Imran Ahmed Siddiqui as envoy to Dhaka. His name was finally approved by Dhaka in November last year. Siddiqui joined the Pakistani mission in Dhaka in January, raising hopes of a thaw in their ties.
Earlier this month, Pakistani envoy held a rare meeting with Bangladeshi Foreign Minister AK Abdul Momen. Foreign Office sources were cautious about calling the meeting as "breakthrough" or whether this would lead to breaking the ice.
One of the reasons that foreign office sources were playing down the outreach was to avoid creating unnecessary hype and allowing "spoilers" to undermine such efforts.
Indian media reports expressed alarm over the meeting between Pakistani envoy and Bangladeshi foreign minister, claiming Islamabad was trying to take advantage of India's preoccupation with other issues.
New Delhi and Dhaka have longstanding ties and those relations further deepened when Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi came to power in May 2014. India has exercised great influence over Bangladesh and took full advantage of PM Shaikh Hasina Wajid's mistrust with Pakistan.
But India and Bangladesh ties suffered a major blow when Modi government last year passed a controversial Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA). The law had triggered massive protests in Bangladesh and in March, Modi had to cancel his visit because of growing anti-India sentiments.
In the middle of this, China also made inroads in Bangladesh by offering economic and other partnership. Dhaka is already part of Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). Recently, Beijing allowed Bangladesh to export goods to China with zero tariffs. Similarly, China has been assisting Bangladesh dealing with Covid-19 pandemic.
As a result of this cooperation, Bangladesh surprisingly kept quiet over the recent military standoff between India and China. Dhaka even did not offer condolences to India over the killing of its 20 soldiers including a Colonel during a bloody fight with China in the high altitude Ladakh region.
Observers believe that the changing dynamics offered a good opportunity for Pakistan and Bangladesh to revisit their troubled ties.
A senior foreign office official said Pakistan wants to reset ties with Bangladesh. The official, however, said this reset was not aimed at any other country.
"Pakistan and Bangladesh share common bonds of history, culture and religion," the official said adding that, "there is a strong desire on both sides to strengthen bilateral relations."
There is a growing sense in Pakistan that the younger generation is especially keen to forge meaningful ties.
Also, Pakistan is appreciative of Bangladesh's "remarkable economic achievements," said the official.
At the same time, there is an acknowledgement that events of 1971 are the most painful chapter of the two countries' common history.
"Closer people to people contacts between two peoples will promote reconciliation and mutual understanding. This will heal the wounds of the past," Pakistani official stressed.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribune.com.pk/story/2255657/pakistan-in-diplomatic-push-to-reset-ties-with-bangladesh?amp=1
71 happened because of two egotistical assholes. Bhutto and mujeeb. Both died at the hands of their own men. For politics they had many many men and women suffer
Dont go in history, there are so many things which we Pakistanis ask for you guys for Government level apology.
Again this is your one sided story you are following.
Who were the responsible for killing of west pakistanis and their families by Mukti Bahni? Who were the responsible of mass genocide of biharis and after the war putting them into camps in a miserable condition?
Who were the responsible of siding with Enemy India to start unrest and start murdering of West Pakistani Military persons and their families before even any military operation started.
Dont read the India supported history of 1971... There are so much we can ask you to appologize..
If Pakistan Military did all the crime,,, then what was the justification of Zia ur Rehman and its men killed Mujeeb and its family.. and then his wife became the Prime Minister in recent past... If you think that pressing the insurgency by military is a war crime, then why not you are doing prosecution against your own Bangladeshi military persons...
Dont go in past, there were so many reasons of those incidents and so many were responsible including East Pakistani politicians and well along with RAW agents...
In reality, BD is losing more in trade than Pakistan as one Pakistani poster has already mentioned earlier. BD needs to enlarge its textiles market in Afghanistan and the five central Asian countries.I agreed that we should move forward with good relations and mutual trade. There is nothing we can fight upon now. We should work together to eliminate our combined enemies like in our neighbor.
Bro trust me...when I say this. PM me and I will explain. Cant say much in open forumMujeeb was not egotistical. In the 71 fiasco Bengalis had no fault, plain and simple. It was the fault of Pakistani establishment, mainly the military.
Yahya Khan should have convened the National Assembly Session in Dhaka on 25 March as promised. It would have saved the face of Mujib and his associates. Instead, he ordered PA troops to kill people.Bro trust me...when I say this. PM me and I will explain. Cant say much in open forum
I have no objection, of bd having better relations with pak
I am a bit of hardliner though.
1.I like would an official national apology from pak gov and senior military pak officers to be tried that we're there during 71'.
2.Also bd to be reimbursed fairly of the promised division of assets from pre 71' which pak kept the large amount to itself unfairly.
3.Possible compensations for the victims or family of victims of those civilians murdered during 71.
These few points, will make hardliners like me shut up. Also accept the partnership with pak to the full extent - then both countries can work together to screw india.