Pakistan has offered Afghanistan US $20 million for training of ANSF

[Afghan-India]

From May 2013:


So this is what winning looks like (Title):

https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEAQtwIwAg&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja5Q75hf6QI&ei=f-OZUrSmEcaqhAfI0YHoCw&usg=AFQjCNE4prtF26vLxUMdMS6RKKxpBBOBfQ&sig2=E31uSn1xctjg8sQpubGdtQ&bvm=bv.57155469,d.ZG4

*published in 2013 as a documentary
ANA hasn't fought beside brittish forces for years now.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

*published in 2013 as a documentary
ANA hasn't fought beside brittish forces for years now.

The reporter is british.. the troops are American...

 

[RescueRanger]

The video is from 2008, ANA has changed alot since then.

My friend ANA has not changed, for the ANA sustainability will always remain a problem.

Afghan Army Can’t Go It Alone After 2014, Pentagon Says - Bloomberg

*published in 2013 as a documentary
ANA hasn't fought beside brittish forces for years now.

Troops are American pal.

 

[somebozo]

One day you will learn that afghans do not have permanent loyalty but rather for sale to highest bidder..when Pakistan was footing the bill they were gladly be on the Pakistani leash..now a days India and Baba Amreeka are better pay masters.

1. I don't have the references handy but it was reported that a officer from ANSF attended the staff college at Quetta recently (you'll remember Gen Bismillah Khan's visit to Pakistan a year or two ago -- it happened shortly after that) -- but on his return to Afghanistan he recommended that students be sent to India instead of Pakistan.

2. Similarly it was reported that Afghan officers don't want to come to Pakistan for they will be labelled as spies and it will negatively affect their carrier.

3. I don't know if it still is a rule but in the 50s through the 80s, if an Afghan officer or diplomat had a Pakistani spouse they were essentially sidelined or dismissed from service -- so this hostility to "Pakiness" (as referred to by Afghans) is deep seated and is not going away anytime.

4. It is also worth noting, that Afghanistan could probably get much superior training than Indian academies at say Turkish Harp Okuls, which would not raise any heckles in Pakistan -- but instead they seem to be fixated on Indian offerings -- the question is why? -- I have not been able to formulate an answer (but I guess Afghan thinking is often opaque to even Afghans themselves).

5. Pakistanis should remember that a lot of the people who are the most anti-Pakistan in Afghanistan were educated in Pakistan or supported by Pakistan at some point, specific examples:
a. Ahmad Shah Masood
b. Sibghatullah Mojaddedi
c. Amrullah Saleh (yes even him -- he fled to Pakistan to avoid being conscripted)
d. Hamid Karzai (he lived in both Peshawar and Quetta and Islamabad
-- he recently complained to Mushahid Hussain that the green zones in Islamabad
-- have been reduced where he used to enjoy evening walks
e. There is a long list of intellectuals who fit here.

6. I think the aversion to Pakistani things is very deep in Afghan culture -- there is a blog post by his excellency Zahir Tarin, Afghanistan permanent representative to the UN (which I think he's taken down now -- I could not find it) where he recounts a story about his grandfather telling him not to buy anything made in Pakistan (which he then ties to his reasoning about Pakistan -- really strange thinking for a Diplomat but it was there).

7. Pakistanis should think of Afghans as the Afghans want to be thought of by Pakistanis -- just as another people (so say as Slovenians) -- Pakistanis make the mistake of viewing Afghanistan and Afghans through the lens of family. Though this lens is appropriate for most of the larger Muslim world such as: Turkey, Iran, KSA, UAE, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bosnia, etc. -- it, for some reason is the incorrect lens to understand Afghans. Yes based on proximity, language, culture, religion, dress, etc. Afghans should be indistinguishable from us Pakistanis but for some odd reason this is not the case. As anecdote: I was listening to a talk by his excellency Shaida Abdali (Afghan Ambassador to India) and it occurred to me that if he was sighted at a CSP officer's desk in Lahore he would not for a second be out of place -- however as they say: looks can be deceiving.,

8. If past is precedent, Nawaz Sharif will be disappointed.

 

[Bratva]

@RescueRanger How was your experience training afghani's?

 

[SBD-3]

when will we pakistanis stop caring about people who don't give a damn about us?

Having less volatile neighborhood in both East and West would help us reaping peace dividends and then Pakistan can focus on eradicating internal extremism. Having a hostile western border would always keep KPK and FATA burning.

One day you will learn that afghans do not have permanent loyalty but rather for sale to highest bidder..when Pakistan was footing the bill they were gladly be on the Pakistani leash..now a days India and Baba Amreeka are better pay masters.

No body is asking for their loyalty, even if Pakistan is able to achieve their neutrality, that would have its own benefits.

 

[Afghan-India]

My friend ANA has not changed, for the ANA sustainability will always remain a problem.

Afghan Army Can’t Go It Alone After 2014, Pentagon Says - Bloomberg


Troops are American pal.

The troops are Brits

The reporter is british.. the troops are American...

Brits* take a closer look

 

[ghilzai]

No we shouldn't !

You are my Brother - Whatever is mine is yours & I mean that !

I don't owe them anything !

It's not as easy as that with us, though I fully agree with you.

 

[RescueRanger]

The troops are Brits



Brits* take a closer look

It's not as easy as that with us, though I fully agree with you.

 

[[Bregs]]

Its good diplomatic move and it shall be viewed as goodwill step only

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The troops are Brits



Brits* take a closer look

View the documentary .. and also this:

https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...=SLejfASz9goyPhnXx1FM3w&bvm=bv.57155469,d.ZG4

 

[RescueRanger]

The troops are Brits



Brits* take a closer look

The troops are Brits



Brits* take a closer look

 

[cyphercide]

India has more money to offer.

The only reason they're offering is because we offered something as well earlier. Most times, Pakistan's foreign policy is like a puppy, waiting for someone to take the lead so as to follow that someone around shamelessly.

Welcome back, we missed ya!!!

 

[Afghan-India]

View the documentary .. and also this:

https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CGcQFjAG&url=http://article.wn.com/view/2013/07/28/British_troops_return_to_Sangin_after_request_from_Afghan_na/&ei=T-2ZUoWXOo7xhQfDsoBQ&usg=AFQjCNG3-RGW_RpJevLC7QHBY4YV2X_fLg&sig2=SLejfASz9goyPhnXx1FM3w&bvm=bv.57155469,d.ZG4

I'm glad that you guys agreed that they were brits.Although the event you mention, is not the event shown in the documentary.The assistance was needed due to a large Taliban operation.The Brits were called because there were needed fast backup in the area, after some days the Brits left, because an additional 600 ANA soldiers arrived.

 

[OrionHunter]

4. It is also worth noting, that Afghanistan could probably get much superior training than Indian academies at say Turkish Harp Okuls, which would not raise any heckles in Pakistan -- but instead they seem to be fixated on Indian offerings -- the question is why? -- I have not been able to formulate an answer (but I guess Afghan thinking is often opaque to even Afghans themselves).

I disagree here. How do you say that the co-ed Turkish Harp Okuls Academy is much 'superior'? You seem to have no idea about The National Defence Academy in India which is one of the finest and the only defence academy in the world imparting joint training for all three services after which there is specialised training at respective Army/Navy/Air Force academies.

Scores of cadets from countries across the world are imparted training here since inception.

So please don't make sweeping statements!