Pakistan has 'degraded' Taliban: Gen. Petraeus

[Omar1984]

Pakistan has 'degraded' Taliban: Gen. Petraeus

Updated at: 0355 PST, Thursday, December 10, 2009

WASHINGTON: Pakistani military operations have "significantly degraded" Taliban groups in recent months, the senior US commander in the region told lawmakers on Wednesday.

General David Petraeus said the military campaign has boosted US efforts against the Al-Qaeda network but Islamabad has yet to go after sanctuaries used by the Afghan Taliban leadership, a distinct group from the so-called Pakistani Taliban.


Pakistan has ''degraded'' Taliban: Gen. Petraeus - GEO.tv

 

[SMC]

When it suits the americans, they separate TTP and Afghan Taliban. But when not doing so suits them, they put them under one umbrella.

 

[waraich66]

When it suits the americans, they separate TTP and Afghan Taliban. But when not doing so suits them, they put them under one umbrella.

In fact Talaban got strategic victory over US and NATO forces in Afghanistan, The real target of US was to damage talaban heroic image all over world and inside Pakistan which was built after Russian defeat in 90's , that is reason they created TTP and support it through indrect means for distructive activities inside Pakistan.

But all over the world Afghan talaban support will continue because they are fighting against occupation forces which is great source of imbarrassment for US. Their own media ,politicians are now aganist their mission in Afghanistan that is reason France refused to send more troops and Canada announced withdrawal of their forces in December 2010.

ISAF mission is moving towards total failure.

 

[Mercenary]

In fact Talaban got strategic victory over US and NATO forces in Afghanistan, The real target of US was to damage talaban heroic image all over world and inside Pakistan which was built after Russian defeat in 90's , that is reason they created TTP and support it through indrect means for distructive activities inside Pakistan.

But all over the world Afghan talaban support will continue because they are fighting against occupation forces which is great source of imbrassement for US. Their own media ,politicians are now aganist their mission in Afghanistan that is reason France refused to send more troops and Canada announced withdrawal of their forces in December 2010.

ISAF mission is moving towards total failure.

And how does Pakistan benefit?

 

[fatman17]

already posted in sticky rah-e-nijat

 

[waraich66]

And how does Pakistan benefit?

After withdrawal of ISAF forces from Afghanistan our western boarder will safe and we retain our strategic depth.

Pakistan will again emerge as world trade hub , China and Pakistan could develop Gawader a trade Hub , Dubai already lost its credibility.

India will have no other option to resolve Kashmir despute if they really wanted get supply of energy through our energy corridor .

US shaken super power status further detoriate and EU and euro will emerge as stable economic super power .

It will also force Israel to resolve the palestine dispute because US will not be in position in near future due continue economic recession to further support Israeli terrorism in middle east .

 

[Ahmad]

And how does Pakistan benefit?

pakistan will win the proxy war on the expense of Afghanistan destruction and Afghans' lives loss, they will have their puppet gov in place in afghanistan just they had it before and there will be a huge bloody civil war started in thte country.

 

[Omar1984]

pakistan will win the proxy war on the expense of Afghanistan destruction and Afghans' lives loss, they will have their puppet gov in place in afghanistan just they had it before and there will be a huge bloody civil war started in thte country.

No Pakistani wants the destruction of Afghanistan or Afghani lives because what happens in Afghanistan also affects Pakistan, but we dont want a pro-india government in Afghanistan like Karzai, the puppet of india.


Seriously would any country want its # 1 enemy near both the eastern and western border ???

 

[Ahmad]

No Pakistani wants the destruction of Afghanistan or Afghani lives because what happens in Afghanistan also affects Pakistan, but we dont want a pro-india government in Afghanistan like Karzai, the puppet of india.


Seriously would any country want its # 1 enemy near both the eastern and western border ???

and why do you blame india if they try to ward off the Taliban(created by pakistan), they have got their own concern as well. as i said before, what happens in afghanistan is nothng to do with afghans. it is a proxy war which has left afghanistan devastated. it must be stopped now, those who want continuation of war in afghanistan are nobody but enemies of afghanistan.

 

[Javed3]

Afghanistan's freedom, sovereignty and progress is very dear to Pakistanis. Taliban are the indigenous Afghan people struggling against the US led Army of occupation. Karzai is the modern incarnation of Babrek Karmel; was elected through a stage managed fraud election.

 

[Omar1984]

and why do you blame india if they try to ward off the Taliban(created by pakistan), they have got their own concern as well. as i said before, what happens in afghanistan is nothng to do with afghans. it is a proxy war which has left afghanistan devastated. it must be stopped now, those who want continuation of war in afghanistan are nobody but enemies of afghanistan.

The US was also involved in creating the Taliban to fight the Soviets. Pakistan and India still have major disputes and even to this day India is Pakistan's arch rival, the entire world knows it anyone who thinks India wants a successful Pakistan dont know the reality, the history, and the disputes between the two countries.


The worst thing for Pakistan is a major Indian prescence in Afghanistan, because then Pakistan will be surrounded by India in both fronts.


No Pakistani wants the destruction of Afghanistan. We never ever saw Afghanistan as an enemy, but we cant have a major Indian prescence in Afghanistan either.


You have to look at things from Pakistan's perspective too.

 

[Ahmad]

Afghanistan's freedom, sovereignty and progress is very dear to Pakistanis.

I dont think so, if paksitan wanted afghanistan's sovergnty they wouldnt have created the taliban and put them in afghanistan. during the soviets time pakistan even paid the local commanders money to blow up schools while it had no military significance, and supporting one side of the mujahideen against the others - british policy of divide and rule.

Taliban are the indigenous Afghan people struggling against the US led Army of occupation


Taliban are afghans no doubt about it and so was Najibullah and Karmal, but they have got one common point, they 3 of them are/were puppets of a foreign country - soviets and paksitan. By the way, TTP is also pakistanis, if we go according to your theory then you shouldnt fight the TTP.


. Karzai is the modern incarnation of Babrek Karmel; was elected through a stage managed fraud election.


And so is Mullah Omar - a puppet of pakistan. Karzai(although i am not his supporter) at least got elected by people's vote(his first election was fair and free, but the second election was fraudant) while Mollah Omar came to power with the help of pakistan, and he appointed himself as Amir of not only afghanistan but all muslims. they are/were all puppets and makes no difference to us, karzai at least is an educated person and dont want to shut our schools like mullah omar, and also he hasnt massacred his own citizens the way mullah omar did in the past and still do it.

 

[Ahmad]

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The US was also involved in creating the Taliban to fight the Soviets.

wrong, the taliban didnt exist during the soviets time, they are mostly young men who got education in pakistani madrasahs and have more paksitani mentality than afghan patriotism, although there might be some of mujahideen among them.


The worst thing for Pakistan is a major Indian prescence in Afghanistan, because then Pakistan will be surrounded by India in both fronts.

and the worst thing for india is if pakistan controls afghanistan, that is why i constantly say thtat what happens in afghanistan is a proxy situation and nothing to do with the afghans, sadly islam has been badly used to serve politics there.


No Pakistani wants the destruction of Afghanistan. We never ever saw Afghanistan as an enemy, but we cant have a major Indian prescence in Afghanistan either.

paksitan wants a week, undeveloped, always dependant afghanistan so that they can use it against india in their proxy war.

You have to look at things from Pakistan's perspective too


yes, i have looked at pakistan's perspectives and also the indians, thats why i call it proxy situation. freedom, foreigners, jihad, occupation etc are nothing but pretext to have success in this proxy war.

 

[Javed3]

Unity:

Taliban did not exist during the Soviet times. The movement began in 1993; 4 years after the Soviets left Afghanistan. Most of its members though waged Jihad against the Soviets under various Mujahideen leaders.

Taliban were raised by FC under the command of Gen. Naseerullah Babar using US and Saudi money. It was meant to be a stabilization force serving UNICOL / Halliburton Oil Pipeline interests from Turkemnistan to Gwadar. Secondary objective was to give Iran a run for its money on the Eastern border.

BUT, after 1995 the movement got “hijacked”. The US still funded them till early 2001 in the hope that somehow they will change their mind.

By 1998 Taliban was a fiercely independent entity caring two hoots about the US. Pakistan too lost control as it was seen pandering only to US interests rather than its own interests. In the bargain India got totally disenfranchised out of Afghanistan.

Since 2001 Taliban are a totally indigenous outfit that has survived and expanded because of widespread public support.

Karzai is a pretty cute character. He is a special sort of a puppet. As and when the show collapses, he will likely do what he did in 1995; hire a Taxi to Quetta and resume his work in the local Halliburton purchasing office as a manager.

 

[seekers]

Afghanistan's freedom, sovereignty and progress is very dear to Pakistanis.

I dont think so, if paksitan wanted afghanistan's sovergnty they wouldnt have created the taliban and put them in afghanistan. during the soviets time pakistan even paid the local commanders money to blow up schools while it had no military significance, and supporting one side of the mujahideen against the others - british policy of divide and rule.

Taliban are the indigenous Afghan people struggling against the US led Army of occupation


Taliban are afghans no doubt about it and so was Najibullah and Karmal, but they have got one common point, they 3 of them are/were puppets of a foreign country - soviets and paksitan. By the way, TTP is also pakistanis, if we go according to your theory then you shouldnt fight the TTP.


. Karzai is the modern incarnation of Babrek Karmel; was elected through a stage managed fraud election.


And so is Mullah Omar - a puppet of pakistan. Karzai(although i am not his supporter) at least got elected by people's vote(his first election was fair and free, but the second election was fraudant) while Mollah Omar came to power with the help of pakistan, and he appointed himself as Amir of not only afghanistan but all muslims. they are/were all puppets and makes no difference to us, karzai at least is an educated person and dont want to shut our schools like mullah omar, and also he hasnt massacred his own citizens the way mullah omar did in the past and still do it.

Pakistan support during zia regime for taliban to capture Afghanistan is part of history, nobody can deny that.

Today! Pakistan is paying for zia decision for interference in Afghanistan.

Don,t know how much would we pay to eliminate the "zia's flith" which is still supporting taliban.

US and saudis were the main financier to destruct the first Afghan govt after withdrawal of Russia.

Now! saudis are the sole financial supporter of taliban.