Pakistan has been offered the Chinese 4th generation J-11 (SU27)

[monitor]

What gone in gone now paf focus should be for j-20/ any Chinese single engine fifth generation fighter to be build under license in pakistan in addition to fc-20 and jf-17 block II . the future is in fifth generation and thats should be the long term goal of paf . for next 15 years i think f-16 and fc-20 jf-17 is enough .

 

[Beast]

Seriously speaking, PAF shall not worry abt too much of 5th gen fighter in the next 20 years. I don't think even after 15 years IAF is able to field a 5th gen fighter. PAF-KA is a pathetic lousy fake stealth which fits under 4.5th with it's horrible shape. F-35 project budget over balloon and they may end up another 10yrs delay or field an inferior version. The focus shall be 4.5th gen fighter which is affordable while still pack a punch with constant upgrade.

 

[F86 Saber]

Seriously speaking, PAF shall not worry abt too much of 5th gen fighter in the next 20 years. I don't think even after 15 years IAF is able to field a 5th gen fighter. PAF-KA is a pathetic lousy fake stealth which fits under 4.5th with it's horrible shape. F-35 project budget over balloon and they may end up another 10yrs delay or field an inferior version. The focus shall be 4.5th gen fighter which is affordable while still pack a punch with constant upgrade.

Brother you just opened a can of worms with the PAK-FA comments............ Expect some very heavy Indian troll traffic within the next 5 minutes.....

 

[Pioneerfirst]

All depends on Pakistan's economic situation.Pakistan needs a double engine fighter in its fleet.Eurofighter is best in this role but its very expensive so J-11 with some western avionics will be a great option.

 

[monitor]

Seriously speaking, PAF shall not worry abt too much of 5th gen fighter in the next 20 years. I don't think even after 15 years IAF is able to field a 5th gen fighter. PAF-KA is a pathetic lousy fake stealth which fits under 4.5th with it's horrible shape. F-35 project budget over balloon and they may end up another 10yrs delay or field an inferior version. The focus shall be 4.5th gen fighter which is affordable while still pack a punch with constant upgrade.

Even that prediction comes true why not to build pakistan airforce more powerful then its main adversary ?

 

[Beast]

Even that prediction comes true why not to build pakistan airforce more powerful then its main adversary ?

But the problem is, it will not easier to obtain that 5th gen fighter(technology and financially).. Even Japan just start from scratch. They will claim to have a demonstrator ready by 2014 then they will decide whether it will go into prototype. You can imagine the long road to a operational 5th gen fighter...

 

[Beast]

Brother you just opened a can of worms with the PAK-FA comments............ Expect some very heavy Indian troll traffic within the next 5 minutes.....

You already mention troll. So what is there to be afraid of?

PAF-KA- No S-duct, No Engine inlet blade blocker, the whole plane full of round protruding parts, Protruding IRST, Metal and non-one piece canopy and lack of enough composite.. A true 4.5th gen fighter... If India is really betting this as their 5th gen fighter. Then they will be very disappointed. Russian now is so far behind that it cannot even match China in aircraft design. Haha.

 

[RazorMC]

No i dont thing so... Because A 5 and F 6 is also twin enjine.....

A single engine in the F-16 (either GE or PW) produces more thrust and consumes more fuel than two engines in the older A-5 and F-6.
Maybe that's one reason or I maybe wrong.

 

[SBD-3]

F-16 Blk 52 with CFT will form the backbone of PAF deep strike role. Jf-17 will take over the escort role,air defense and near territory strike role. It is understandable PAF will look for more F-16 blk52 to fill up their strike role.

Correction
F-16 Strikers/CAS
FC-20 Airsuperiority/Mutirole/Interception
JFT CAP/CAS/Interception

 

[RazorMC]

i dont understand what ''synonyms'' you are using here

I was referring to the fact that a tail-less delta-wing design of the Mirage-2000 offers a lower RCS than a conventional one and a slightly higher altitude ceiling (I know you don't like the design ) But it causes some problems in low altitude flights.
The F-16's intake is a large, curved surface which makes it easier to detect.

 

[Manticore]

yes i dont like tailess deltas like m2k/lca as they are 50s design.. i know they have certain plus points which ive no plan to get into in yet another thread.

The Thunder's design is similar to the F-5/F-20 and seems to me that the roles are similar too.

plz discuss this point if you really believe in your statement.. who knows i might get some info in the process!

http://dc306.*******.com/img/s8-jwhsT/gra6.PNGhttp://dc206.*******.com/img/6Dd2HoEG/grande4.pnghttp://dc317.*******.com/img/gyg_jEpA/wing_configurations.PNG

 

[TOPGUN]

So ic we are still on this silly topic of a wet dream oh lord..... kids

 

[RazorMC]

plz discuss this point if you really believe in your statement.. who knows i might get some info in the process!

These are from Grumman, who were also working with the Chinese for their project to upgrade/develop the F-7.
The F-5/F-20 came later and the design is different so it can't be them. But what do you think of this picture?

It is the F-11 btw.

 

[Manticore]

this is a ground attack fighters compliation i made of that era
http://dc311.*******.com/img/vYYfFdMW/attack.JPG
some resemblances , but nothing to do e jf17!http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...08-combat-aircraft-designs-6.html#post1455759

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

A single engine in the F-16 (either GE or PW) produces more thrust and consumes more fuel than two engines in the older A-5 and F-6.
Maybe that's one reason or I maybe wrong.

The single engine in the JFT produces probably more thrust than the two engines combined of FCK-1. So what's your point?

Sonny single engine jets risk falling out of the sky because their one and only engine failed and they can't run long duration strike sorties either.