Pakistan hampering trade with India: Afghanistan

[KRAIT]

i dint read that statement but thats what we have observed.
2. we are already exporting items to India but the trade balance between the two countries is not at the same level hence its India who is benefiting by coming to Pakistani market.
3. same will be the case with Afghanistan even if we allow India access to Afghanistan it will mean India will get the market whereas Afghanistan wont have much to export to Indian markets.4. Afghanistan can expot few items including gem/stones, dry fruit.The biggest item is opium but India wont like it.

Do you know why China, India are investing in Afghanistan. There are from $ 1 trillion to $ 3 trillion dollars worth of minerals and other natural resources.

Kindly Google about Ayanak Copper Mine that China got and Iron Ore Mine that India got. There is a thread running on what China can have from Afghanistan.

 

[Armstrong]

US pumped Trillions to kill Afghanis. Kindly see the expenditure of India and US in Afghanistan and the survey report about who Afghan favors.

For many Afghanis, India means education, hospital, electricity and Bollywood whereas US means Guns and Bombs.

Actually not the US pumped in Millions to build their infrastructure; whether military or civilian ! And how many of those surveys are actually conducted outside the cosy confines of Kabul's elite complexes ?

Besides whatever the hell India means for them...none of it is going to be realized because :

(a) India isn't going to be spending billions in Afghanistan without having some sort of a footing there & in Afghanistan that means supporting one or the other group - Theres no such thing as an Afghanistani ! Which means if its them Farsibans then you've already lost the Pashtuns & if its the Pashtuns then you've already lost the Farsibans !

(b) Pakistan has more influence over Afghanistan than you can imagine & whatever inroads you're thinking of making therein are going to take a lot of time; more than enough for us to consolidate our position further !

(c) You really don't get it do you - the Evil Yindooo thing doesn't work in your favor !

 

[Yeti]

Actually there are more than just 'some barriers' in place; the Pakistani businessmen that I've talked to were so fed up with them that after a few months of trying & having their goods being stranded on Wagha or some place in India instead of their destination & having to use overdraft over & over again they just quit the Indian Market & instead exported them elsewhere - namely Malaysia, Thailand, China & Sri Lanka !

Those barriers were the reason why we never reciprocated the MFN because it didn't mean anything ! And Pakistan has a very free market with very little barriers to entry; anyone can trade....just ask the Chinese !

We can & we should work around that but this bringing up of 'we gave you the MFN so long ago & you didn't reciprocate it' is in bad taste because what you gave us didn't mean anything & defeated the very purpose of free-trade that WTO was supposed to be all about.

Issues remain on both sides but trade ties are improving and there was a positive note when members of your FPCCI came to India I saw a interview on the meeting.

Do you know why China, India are investing in Afghanistan. There are from $ 1 trillion to $ 3 trillion dollars worth of minerals and other natural resources.

Kindly Google about Ayanak Copper Mine that China got and Iron Ore Mine that India got. There is a thread running on what China can have from Afghanistan.

No she does not lol she thinks they can only give us rugs

 

[KRAIT]

@Armstrong Sir, we are not sending our labor force to work there. We may give millions to these groups just to keep silent or ask US to give them some share of power. Even China wants stable Afghanistan. If Afghanistan stabilizes then it can reach to Iran's oil reserves and access to Gulf and Africa via land route and it will take away its dependence on Pakistan to reach those regions via Pakistan.

Chinese are good businessmen. There is a reason why China is still supporting Iran.

You should realize that their is a school of thought that thinks instead of supporting Pakistan too much, they should have a second plan to reach Gulf and Africa via land route. And that is via Afghanistan and Iran. For them, resources and getting rid of their exposed trade routes in IOR which can be closed by US Navy any time is an important priority.

If KKH and Gwadar doesn't work or give enough benefit, they will look for other plan. And they can cooperate with Iran, India, Afghanistan for mutual benefits.

It all depends on how Pakistan understand the gravity of the situation and the need to bring peace in its country rather than focusing on Afghanistan. In pursuit of keeping India away from Afghanistan, you might loose Chinese support, chances are very low but they are there. Best thing Pakistan can do is keep China luring with Gwadar and Baluchistan resources. Because the day it becomes lost cause for China you will loose China just like you lost US.

 

[Spring Onion]

Should that not be for Afghanistan to decide? I mean they have already stated they want India to have transit via Pakistan it is of benefit to the people living there who have suffered enough.


They are rich in minerals most of which are untapped and we have a huge market for that so it is a win win situation for all of us including Pakistan.

Its their right and wish. surely they can decide i was just stating the facts about trade volume demerits to Afghan traders

Do you know why China, India are investing in Afghanistan. There are from $ 1 trillion to $ 3 trillion dollars worth of minerals and other natural resources.

Kindly Google about Ayanak Copper Mine that China got and Iron Ore Mine that India got. There is a thread running on what China can have from Afghanistan.

I know about it very well. Everyone is after unexplored resources of Afghanistan

So the Indians should not come up with flattering words like that they benefit Afghanistan rather its other way round. India want to get maximum benefit out of Afghanistan

 

[Yeti]

Its their right and wish. surely they can decide i was just stating the facts about trade volume demerits to Afghan traders

From what I know they seem to prefer the quality of Indian goods to Pakistani ones, you guys have a stranglehold in the market at the moment that is why you do not wish for India to compete but that will change soon you will not be able to keep us out forever.

 

[Spring Onion]

We will control them do not worry dear

Good that

1. You accepted that there are Hindu militants groups who are and will harming trade from Pakistan


2. NO you can not control it and you wont therefore Pakistan should never facilitate India with land route

From what I know they seem to prefer the quality of Indian goods to Pakistani ones, you guys have a stranglehold in the market at the moment that is why you do not wish for India to compete but that will change soon you will not be able to keep us out forever.

We try our best to protect our market and business you will try your best to do same so there is no hard and fast rule neither should be any hard feeling.

if they prefer yours well do find other ways to get there we cant do much about that we can only strengthen ours thats all

 

[KRAIT]

Its their right and wish. surely they can decide i was just stating the facts about trade volume demerits to Afghan tradersI know about it very well. Everyone is after unexplored resources of Afghanistan
So the Indians should not come up with flattering words like that they benefit Afghanistan rather its other way round. India want to get maximum benefit out of Afghanistan

All are in Afghanistan for the same purpose. Its common sense.

Afghans know that Indians know that. Its unsaid understanding and knowledge. Afghans just want maximum benefit out of India while they allow India to do so with them too..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

No big deal. Afghan trucks are still authorized to move via our highways to indian border to deliver goods - and that too without paying any duty or levee. So he should be grateful enough about that

 

[Spring Onion]

No big deal. Afghan trucks are still authorized to move via our highways to indian border to deliver goods - and that too without paying any duty or levee. So he should be grateful enough about that

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[KRAIT]

No big deal. Afghan trucks are still authorized to move via our highways to indian border to deliver goods - and that too without paying any duty or levee. So he should be grateful enough about that

And why Pakistan not charging for this ?

 

[Armstrong]

@Armstrong Sir, we are not sending our labor force to work there. We may give millions to these groups just to keep silent or ask US to give them some share of power. Even China wants stable Afghanistan. If Afghanistan stabilizes then it can reach to Iran's oil reserves and access to Gulf and Africa via land route and it will take away its dependence on Pakistan to reach those regions via Pakistan.

Chinese are good businessmen. There is a reason why China is still supporting Iran.

You should realize that their is a school of thought that thinks instead of supporting Pakistan too much, they should have a second plan to reach Gulf and Africa via land route. And that is via Afghanistan and Iran. For them, resources and getting rid of their exposed trade routes in IOR which can be closed by US Navy any time is an important priority.

If KKH and Gwadar doesn't work or give enough benefit, they will look for other plan. And they can cooperate with Iran, India, Afghanistan for mutual benefits.

It all depends on how Pakistan understand the gravity of the situation and the need to bring peace in its country rather than focusing on Afghanistan. In pursuit of keeping India away from Afghanistan, you might loose Chinese support, chances are very low but they are there. Best thing Pakistan can do is keep China luring with Gwadar and Baluchistan resources. Because the day it becomes lost cause for China you will loose China just like you lost US.

First of : Sino-Pak relations are not contingent on economics; were it so we wouldn't have supported them in the past & they wouldn't have supported us at times where we didn't really offer anything significant ! To take these relations forward would require greater economic dependency & Gwadar is, with all the problems associated with Pakistan, the best possible route for them !

Secondly - It is fool hardy of you to assume that Pakistan doesn't want a stable & prospering Afghanistan for we've always reiterated our support for that ! In fact we only created the Taliban because a number of Nations including Iran, India & the USSR were using different Warlords in Post-Soviet Afghanistan to fight their own proxy wars !

A stable Afghanistan is the cherished goal of Pakistan because :

(a) it takes away between 4-6 million Afghan refugees living in Pakistan

(b) it helps our economy through the absence of those refugees & through providing us a bigger market to trade with

(c) it provides us access to the Central Asian States

(d) we might even be able to put TAPI in works

(e) they - the Afghans - may actually stop dreaming carving up half of Pakistan to create the Loy Afghanistan & concentrate on their own country for a change

(f) we won't have to kill so many of the TTP, Uzbek & Tajik militants amongst others, coming into Pakistan

So its a win-win situation for us.

Thirdly - We don't give a wooden nickle about whether India builds roads there or strip clubs because the Afghans can't wish away Pakistan because everything has to go through us at least for the next few decades.

What we do care about, however, is Afghan land being used against Pakistan whether in the form of them housing Baluch Militants, the TTP or even letting India, allegedly, using different proxies against Pakistan !

As it so happens with each passing year this message is reinforced in the minds of all who are concerned that Pakistan may not be able to give the US a bloody nose but in case of anyone else we don't foOk around ! If the Afghans don't assuage our concerns we're going to start using our proxies to protect ourselves & if that means that Afghanistan continues to be stuck in time - then so be it !

To the Afghans our message is very simple - Watch Bollywood, eat Bhel Purri etc. - We don't give a sh*t ! Provide sanctuaries to militants & proxies working against us at your own peril & then don't cry foul when we use our own.

Essentially - Don't foOk with us & we won't foOk with you !

P.S Pakistan has plans to bypass Afghanistan too !

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

From what I know they seem to prefer the quality of Indian goods to Pakistani ones, you guys have a stranglehold in the market at the moment that is why you do not wish for India to compete but that will change soon you will not be able to keep us out forever.

Which goods are you referring to, be more specific

 

[KRAIT]

Which goods are you referring to, be more specific

Movies and TV serials. Also Indian spices.

 

[Yeti]

Which goods are you referring to, be more specific

It was a documentary I saw a while back where some locals were talking about how most of the goods they get were from Pakistan I believe it was some electrical items and they were saying how Indian ones were superior as they last longer etc but problem was not enough were coming into Afghanistan. I think it was traffic lights they were saying how Pakistani ones they got were always breaking down.