Pakistan gives befitting reply to India in UNHRC over Kashmir

[Pakistan First]

Well done Madeeha Lodhi. Please continue the spanking.

 

[XDescendantX]

You Indians are nothing but backstabbing instigators with your lies and propaganda. You'll say anything and make up more bullshit then all the cow shit in India to brainwash the masses to favor your devilish agenda in Kashmir.

The only terrorist are the Hindu terrorist which deny the Kashmiris' the right to the freedom to govern themselves.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

What does the resolution say?

1) Pakistan vacate it's forces from J&K(including Gilgit-Baltistan).
2) India takes control of J&K and establishes law & order.
3) A Plebiscite be conducted only after conditions 1 & 2 have been met. The plebiscite be conducted regionally (Seperately for Jammu, Kashmir, Ladakh, Gilgit & Baltistan).

Don't Take my word for, you can read the resolution right here:
United Nations Official Document

 

[WAJsal]

1-Can India deny that the situation in Kashmir is an internationally recognized dispute on which there are number of UN resolutions?

No India doesn't deny that the internationally reconized dispute has been in Limbo because of Pakistan's refusal to abide by the Pre-requisites of those UN Resolutions.

2-Can India deny that the UN has expressly called for the holding of an impartial plebiscite to ascertain the wishes of the Kashmiri people?

No It can't, as India is party to the same UN resolutions which have been stonewalled by Pakistan, and unilaterally violated by in 1965 and 1999 by major military actions.

3-Can India deny there are over 700,000 military and para-military forces deployed in IOK which amounts to a shocking ratio of 1 military person to 70 civilians?

No India cannot as the State of Jammu and Kashmir hosts the Northern Command of the Indian Army,
the northern command structure is
3rd Infantry Division headquartered at Leh
8th Mountain Division headquartered at Dras
?th Artillery brigade
XV Corps, headquartered at Srinagar, Jammu and Kashmir
19th Infantry Division headquartered at Baramulla,
28th Infantry Division headquartered at Gurez
17th Artillery brigade
XVI Corps, headquartered at Nagrota, Jammu and Kashmir
10th Infantry Division headquartered at Akhnoor
25th Infantry Division headquartered at Rajauri
39th Infantry Division headquartered at Yol
Artillery brigade
Armoured brigade

Along with the Army, and proven state sponsored terrorism of Pakistan, there is the utmost need for Troop concentration as volatile state o Pakistan can neither be relied upon by the state nor the it's constituents. the numerical ratio is similar in nature to the number of troops currently serving in Balochistan, a state of Pakistan....

4-Can India deny that since 1989 around 98000 civilians have been killed in IOK and that there are well document reports of mass graves?

No, India cannot deny that either, as most of the civilian deaths have been caused at behest of state sponsored terrorism by pakistan and it's military institutions. Also mass graves are cost saving measure for burying terrorists as the country of origin won't accept their bodies. Being at a distance from the ocean fish food option was discouraged.


5-Can India deny that in the most recent upsurge of violence since 8 July, 90 Kashmiris have lost their lives, 8000 injured and 160 blinded?

No it cannot, as it has not denied it to begin with.

6-Can India deny that the entire valley of Kashmir is under curfew since past two months?

Yes the Valley has seen intermittent curfews, but not the state, it should be pointed that for the dispute the ambassador refers to the state, but for volatilty she convinently ignores the state and focusses on the Valley.

Useless practice. Maybe they should hire you, at least you would give a proper reply in comparison.
Anyway the point of all this was to give a simple message to our Indian counterparts:

• India should look into resolving the Kashmir issue and stop the Human right violations, and some of the questions make sure to further elaborate that there are Human right violations. As opposed to what Indian's might think.

No it cannot, as it has not denied it to begin with.

I think a better question would mention 'ignorance', rather than 'denial'. Or maybe 'pride'...

first complete the activities mentioned in Resolution as necessary activities for plebiscite All Pakistani nationals to withdraw from Azad Kashmir and J & K border to be protected by IA.... then we will talk about administrator and Plebiscite

Please educate yourself before making any post, Indian personnel will only keep law and order in the valley, while the local forces will do that in AJK and GB. No indian forces will have to administer AJK and GB, please read the UN resolution before trolling.

 

[Black Mamba1]

Useless practice. Maybe they should hire you, at least you would give a proper reply in comparison.
Anyway the point of all this was to give a simple message to our Indian counterparts:

• India should look into resolving the Kashmir issue and stop the Human right violations, and some of the questions make sure to further elaborate that there are Human right violations. As opposed to what Indian's might think.

I think a better question would mention 'ignorance', rather than 'denial'. Or maybe 'pride'...

Please educate yourself before making any post, Indian personnel will only keep law and order in the valley, while the local forces will do that in AJK and GB. No indian forces will have to administer AJK and GB, please read the UN resolution before trolling.

I read the resolution, and I find that all Pakistani nationals must vacate J&K ( which includes Azad Kashmir & GB) as a precondition of partial withdrawal of IA.

Please educate me on the basis your claim with reference from the resolution

Why don't you tell UN that you have met the preconditions of IA withdrawal if you think so ??

 

[WAJsal]

I read the resolution, and I find that all Pakistani nationals must vacate J&K ( which includes Azad Kashmir & GB) as a precondition of partial withdrawal of IA.

And so must Indian nationals, expect for a very small amount present to maintain law and order, law and order where? you think it all of Jammu and Kashmir, that is not really classified. Law and order in Indian held Kashmir while local forces along with UN provided forces will be the ones keeping law and order in GB and AJK. Local forces like GB scouts or NLI.
Where have you derived India controlling all of Jammu and Kashmir from? provide a source.

"(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani Nationals not normally resident therein, who have entered the State for the purposes of fighting and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State."
Meaning local forces will not be withdrawn, meaning NLI. Roughly it is said to be 85% local force(people from GB and AJK) and others making up from Chitral and surrounding areas not a lot of Punjabi or other Pakistani personnel's. So technically Pakistan will only have to withdraw a limited number of force.
Secondly, folks need to understand that Pakistan cannot just take the first step and expect India to follow-up. There is a need to have mutual agreement between the two states regarding the plebiscite. So i don't really understand this comment...

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/reality-...-truth-is-bitter.434598/page-11#ixzz4KPn2GuAU

 

[The Eagle]

In short, the real picture is shown other than as painted by India and failed but seems like India missed to hire very experts on such issue from the forum, aware of reality and laws hence speechless at UN. The reality is, Indian delegation is well informed and is aware about the importance of questions being asked as it was to deliver the message.

 

[Pandora]

@WAJsal @Pakistan First @Umair Nawaz @smuhs1 @American Pakistani

Reality of UNHCR and how weak and useless it is:

https://defence.pk/threads/us-russi...-all-refused-to-allow-visits-by-unhrc.449629/

Yet your leader grovels infront of UN in every single session so first decide on your confussion yourself if it so useless.

 

[Super Falcon]

Does any of those imbeciles raising questions actually read the UN resolution for conducting the plebiscite in Kashmir in the first place? Has they took any step towards it?

Feast yourself, if you didn't

http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/47(1948)

Did you took any steps in first place calling yourself world biggest democracy what democracy you did

Compare Jammu and Kashmir with azad Kashmir massive difference hoisting a Pakistani flag in Jammu is in itself a proof that UN don't need to do any step but simply throw you out Kashmiris already given their love to Pakistan

 

[Areesh]

the numerical ratio is similar in nature to the number of troops currently serving in Balochistan, a state of Pakistan....

Prove it.

 

[ito]

Waste of time for Pakistan. There is no way this is going to bring India to tables.

First, Pakistan has to understand that it has nothing to offer to India that will bring India to tables. Just making noise and acting aggressively is not going to change India's attitude towards Pakistan.

 

[MilSpec]

Useless practice. Maybe they should hire you, at least you would give a proper reply in comparison.
Anyway the point of all this was to give a simple message to our Indian counterparts:

• India should look into resolving the Kashmir issue and stop the Human right violations, and some of the questions make sure to further elaborate that there are Human right violations. As opposed to what Indian's might think.

I think a better question would mention 'ignorance', rather than 'denial'. Or maybe 'pride'...

I remember a line from World War Z of Hammer and Nails, Military is indeed a Hammer, when a situation is created to deploy Military in civilain areas, there ought to be issues with such deployment.

Two things you mention are violations and resolution, both are related but not dependent on each other.
As far a violations of Human rights, it is absolutely deplorable, and could the state have handled it in a better manner, YES.
Resolution of the issue is complex as it has two more players, viz. State of Pakistan and the Military of Pakistan involved in the case, which complicates the issue. With a decree of UN resolutions already in place, which has a given pre-requisites which haven't taken place, the entire Idea is severely complicated.

 

[American Pakistani]

Charity begins at home, May be Pakistan should lead the way, impose sanctions on India and cut all diplomatic ties with India.... What's stopping Islamabad from putting it's money where it's mouth is? Rally with China and Middle-east Ummah allies to impose sanctions on India too....Any Takers?

Tou spying kon Aap k cha-cha ji karengay?

Why would Pakistan take that step and show the world it's a bad guy? Pakistani rather prefer india to do that.