Pakistan: first fire of LY-80 Lomads air defense missile

[Beast]

Hi,

The main layer of sams need to be out of the range of the enemy HARMs range and still be able to launch sams at the target---.

40 Km range is nothing against current harm's---. But only if remotely locked and launched---if that is possible---.

Sometimes outsider is too concerned with missile range and forget the fundamentals. When Egypt Navy has the styx missile with 65km SSM antiship missile. They thought they will beat the Israel Navy. Guess what , Israel Navy whipped the Egypt Navy with a much shorter Gabriel missile with only 30km range. 67 Styx missile were fired and none of them hit Israel missile gunboat.

 

[CriticalThought]

or just use special forces to sabotage them just before the war.

Don't forget space assets while we are on the topic. Remote sensing can reveal SAM and radar positions. Once the location is known, any number of steps can be taken without risking lives.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Hi,

Don't reply a KNEE JERK reaction---. First check out what the ranges of anti radiation missiles are in IAF inventory---.

KH 31 ~100km+
DRDO ARM ~110km+(Under Development)
KH 58 ~130km+
KH 28 ~110km
KH 25 ~40km


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[Armani]

11 JANUARY 2019
The Pakistan Army Air Defence displayed its fire power capability at the Air Defence firing range near Karachi. Hallmark of the event was the first ever fire by recently inducted Chinese-made long-range air defence weapon system LY-80 Lomads, also named HQ-16A in China. Induction of LY-80 has realized the concept of a comprehensive, layered and integrated air defence capability with enhanced lethality.

The LY-80 has been described as a ‘ready to fire’ system which can shoot down modern fighter jets, cruise missiles, and drones. With 40 km range, the weapon system has the capability of engaging as many as six targets simultaneously at a height of 50,000 feet. The system has search radar with a range of 150 km and guidance radar with a range of 100 km.

A "long range" SAM system with a missile that goes only 40km? Doesn't sound like long range to me. Medium is more like it.

There are missiles like 40N6 (S400) which go farther than the range of the search radar on this system. So if LY80 is long range, then what are they? Super Ultra Extreme Long Range SAMs?

Didn't expect armyrecognition.com to fool around with classifications like that.

 

[GriffinsRule]

These systems can usually fire more than one type of SAM. I wouldn't worry about HARM or similar missiles out-ranging a mobile SAM systems, since if that were the case, no one in the world would be producing or buying short or medium range systems, but they are, so there are justifiable reasons for that.
Also doesn't mean PA or PAF will not induct a longer ranged system to protect its strategic sites in the future.

 

[Readerdefence]

Nope bro we signed contract in 2005- 6 got first delivery in 2008 .

Hi my friend thx for your information

 

[Thorough Pro]

I am not sure how is that supposed to help?

As an analogy, I can see the shooter from 300 meters, but I can't stop his bullet or pose any challenge unless I swap my 9mm with a 50BMG.

HARM will be launched by an aircraft, the LY-80 system has search radar with a range of 150 km .

You idiot Indians, nobody is calling it long range. have you ever heard of or understand the term LOMAD?

A "long range" SAM system with a missile that goes only 40km? Doesn't sound like long range to me. Medium is more like it.

There are missiles like 40N6 (S400) which go farther than the range of the search radar on this system. So if LY80 is long range, then what are they? Super Ultra Extreme Long Range SAMs?

Didn't expect armyrecognition.com to fool around with classifications like that.

 

[Armani]

You idiot Indians, nobody is calling it long range.

Armyrecognition.com is calling it a long range as is clearly visible in the OP article, can you even read or do they not teach that in your country?

have you ever heard of or understand the term LOMAD?

Considering that before this the longest range SAM in Pakistan was the Aspide (SPADA) with max 25km you probably do consider this long range

 

[ziaulislam]

A "long range" SAM system with a missile that goes only 40km? Doesn't sound like long range to me. Medium is more like it.

There are missiles like 40N6 (S400) which go farther than the range of the search radar on this system. So if LY80 is long range, then what are they? Super Ultra Extreme Long Range SAMs?

Didn't expect armyrecognition.com to fool around with classifications like that.

missles on LY80 can range from 40km to 70km..system same, same as s 400 can use multiple missiles

in PAF doctorine SAMs is not the main stay of the force for obvious reasons, with smaller area to defend aircraft are better suited and much more flexible.....soviet focused on SAMs as their huge land mass is impossible to defend with fighters

look at India for example, india bought only couple of 100 missiles for massive 5 billion deals..would Pakistan prefer inducting 300 flexible fighters or buy couple of 100 long range missiles whose exact efficacy is yet to be seen..?

for long time SAMs greater than 100kms are and will be under discussion as their usefullness vs cost benefit is high debatable..
the size and amount of rocket fuel used for these missles make them very expensive, at such large ranges jaming them becomes much easier..regardless low leve objects can simply not be tracked by ground system anyway

 

[aziqbal]

those French Cortale systems are rubbish

 

[Thorough Pro]

armyrecognition is not official PA spokesperson. Read "LOMAD"

Armyrecognition.com is calling it a long range as is clearly visible in the OP article, can you even read or do they not teach that in your country?



Considering that before this the longest range SAM in Pakistan was the Aspide (SPADA) with max 25km you probably do consider this long range

 

[Armani]

missles on LY80 can range from 40km to 70km..system same, same as s 400 can use multiple missiles

No literature I can find says Pak version is 70km. All official info says its a 40km round in there.

look at India for example, india bought only couple of 100 missiles for massive 5 billion deals..would Pakistan prefer inducting 300 flexible fighters or buy couple of 100 long range missiles whose exact efficacy is yet to be seen..?

The S400 deal encompassed 5 regiments. The amount of actual SAM rounds (including all types, not just the ~400km ones but the 150-250km ones as well) numbers over 1,000+.

https://thewire.in/security/india-s-400-missiles-deal-russia-us-caatsa

in PAF doctorine SAMs is not the main stay of the force for obvious reasons, with smaller area to defend aircraft are better suited and much more flexible.....soviet focused on SAMs as their huge land mass is impossible to defend with fighters

for long time SAMs greater than 100kms are and will be under discussion as their usefullness vs cost benefit is high debatable..
the size and amount of rocket fuel used for these missles make them very expensive, at such large ranges jaming them becomes much easier..regardless low leve objects can simply not be tracked by ground system anyway

The question of SAMs and/or fighters is an economic one. Not one of strategy. Any country that can afford it would procure both.

SAMs (especially the long range ones like 40N6/48N6 on S400) are weapons of area & airspace denial. The purpose of an air fleet on the other hand is ultimately to effect the war on the ground. Otherwise an air fleet has no meaning. The reason for fighter aircraft (air superiority types, or multi-role planes equipped for A2A mission) to exist in a contested airspace is simply so that the enemy's aircraft do not harass or destroy your strike aircraft (or multirole planes equipped for A2G mission).

If the fighters fly low to avoid getting downed by S400, then they can no longer provide protection to the strike planes. You can't do air superiority flying below radar. Without air superiority, strike missions cannot happen as the skies will be dominated by enemy aircraft. Meaning ultimately your air fleet proves ineffective in supporting the effort against the enemy's ground forces.

S400 (or equivalent long range systems) deployed in the subcontinent afford offensive anti-air capability that can strike aircraft flying several hundred kilometers inside enemy's airspace.

This also means that force-multipliers like AEW&C planes & tankers are threatened and have to move further away from the contested airspace, so their ability to effect the outcomes is severely reduced.

Fighters are fighters. Both sides have them and have had them since end of Raj. Offensive anti-air and large scale A2AD (anti-air/area denial) is a whole new ball game. One can operate any number of fighters, but they all have to operate from only a handful of air bases, which are often among the first pieces of infrastructure to be targeted.

What I want to say is that fighters do not and cannot substitute SAMs. Neither is the opposite possible. What can (and does) happen though is that one has to prioritize which to buy first and which to buy later (or forget about), keeping economic realities in mind.

armyrecognition is not official PA spokesperson. Read "LOMAD"

I said it was? I said it was armyrecognition calling it long-range and I also said I didn't expect an otherwise reputable website like it to write such baloney.

Maybe you would realize that if you thought to read carefully instead of frothing at the mouth just like the rest of idiot trolls.​

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Remember a year ago I told u in an year we will public LY-80 here u go
And interesting thing is PA will follow PAF instructions to shoot down an AC

Why not just 1 force like air force gets the control of all air defence units?

 

[aziqbal]

interesting cold launch

 

[Path-Finder]

Here is the thing, before Feb 27 this was done. I guess a false flag was on the cards and it was anticipated we know know as much. I wonder if there will be some more goods being unveiled as we know that another false flag by india is imminent.