Pakistan fires 21 more rockets in Kunar province

[Icarus]

Not accurate examples. Those countries are rich in natural resporces & have a very small population (technically everyone in Norway is a millionaire because the value of the sovereign wealth fund is over a trillion dollars), hardly the same as India. Saudi Arabia & other oil countries can afford socialism of the type you suggest. Simply unworkable in countries like India.

I was talking about indigenous solutions, I did not mean to imply that Nordic Socialism is applicable to our part of the world, especially after our colonial history. I meant that Pakistan could also develop a working system by keeping domestic requirements in check.

 

[ares]

That's the whole problem, the ANA is not deployed in the posts along Kunnar. We handed the posts over once to the ISAF and ANA and they had been deserted within the next month and in the one month that they were there, the ANA actually attacked one of our posts saying that it was traditionally a part of Afghanistan.

ANA has its hands full at the moment..and it is not like you should complain, you never felt the need to deploy your own troops on the border until now, isn't that why half the world's terrorist ended up in Pakistan in the first place?

Pakistan is complaining that Afghans are not helping them clamp down TTP(as if Pakistan ever helped them clamp down AT), but the fact is Pakistan launched this operation on its own timeline, it did coordinate it with Afghanistan or American.

But my point was if Pakistan keeps on carrying out unilateral strike into Afghanistan..soon you will have another neighbor, which is insecure and anti-Pakistan..who will retaliate with in Pakistani territory(they are already considering this).

You will have to permanently man this border, even long after, your operation are over, putting immense strain on already meager resources.

 

[Armstrong]

An Islamic rule &system for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is the only solution to the challenges Pakistan faces today.

This worshiping of Jinnah for the past 60 years has made us a laughing stock in the eyes of our enemies and allies alike.

Jinnah is Pakistan so as long as there is a Pakistan there will always be reverence for Our Father !

 

[Icarus]

ANA has its hands full at the moment..and it is not like you should complain, you never felt the need to deploy your own troops on the border until now, isn't that why half the world's terrorist ended up in Pakistan in the first place?

Yes we didn't feel the need to deploy our forces at the border but now that we have realized our folly, we are mobilizing to rectify this error. Mind you, we still haven't deployed the Army at the Western Border, we have just established the FC as a much more effective force than it was before.

Pakistan is complaining that Afghans are not helping them clamp down TTP(as if Pakistan ever helped them clamp down AT), but the fact is Pakistan launched this operation on its own timeline, it did coordinate it with Afghanistan or American.

You are teaching me about the Bajaur Operation? My fried, I was there! The US and Pakistani Forces collectively launched Op Lion Heart and Sherdil, the motive was to push an offensive into Kunnar and Bajaur and using a hammer and anvil tactic, push the Taliban between the advancing forces so that they can be killed off or forced to surrender enmass. The ISAF and ANA never made it to the border, we did and we still hold their posts too.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB122655631330523919

Enlighten yourself.

But my point was if Pakistan keeps on carrying out unilateral strike into Afghanistan..soon you will have another neighbor, which is insecure and anti-Pakistan..who will retaliate with in Pakistani territory(they are already considering this).

1. Afg is already insecure and anti-Pakistan.
2. They are already attacking within Pakistani territory, thus the response.

Cross-border militant attacks kill four soldiers in Bajaur - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Bajaur Agency: Cross Border Attack Repulsed; 3 Militants Killed – FATA Research Centre
Seven soldiers martyred in Bajaur cross-border attack

You will have to permanently man this border, even long after, your operation are over, putting immense strain on already meager resources.

That's what the FC is for, as an overhauled force, they are now much more adequately trained and armed to fully meet the requirements of their job.

 

[saiyan0321]

I understand the difficulties but we are in a middle of an operation that is directed towards complete war on the terrorists. We cant allow them go to afghanistan crossing border easily like our last operation otherwise it would completely fail and we would be at square one. Afghanistan has only two feasible options.

They can either sit around and take the bombing or they can stand up and help us round them up in their area and take the glory with pakistan of eradication one of the strongest terrorist organizations in history.

We are not playing around anymore. We have lost soo much to let this operation go to waste. We have removed our civilians under the promise of a peaceful home. We have endangered our country's people under the promise of peace once and for all. We cant allow this operation to fail. We just cant and if we have to bomb a few provinces of afghanistan to ensure our security then so be it. Its something every country would do.

Multiple times we asked america and Afghanistan to do joint operation against them. Multiple times we asked them to stand by us and hunt them down there and we will hunt them here and wipe them out but all we got from them were empty words and accusation. As they played around people died. Soldiers died. They chose to attack our armed personal over the terrorist. Now we have had enough. Now we will bomb kabul if they hide the terrorists there.

No more playing around. No more taking it easy. No more!! We must eradicate this vermin now and if afghanistan has a problem with us bombing their terrorist havens then they can take it to their master America/

Oh right my bad. they did go to their master and their master responded by bombing kunar too after our attack. :d

 

[Armstrong]

I would like to disagree, The worshiping of Jinnah is the only thing that's kept this country together, the doctrine of Islamic Nationalism has been tried and failed, with miserable results I might add. There is no "Islamic Rule and System" there are sublets for each sectarian groups that fall in disagreement with beliefs of others and thus seed further division and discontent.
Our future rests in the establishment of a secular nationalist, socialist republic.

Neveeeeeeeer !

My dream of elevating my caste to rule Pakistan eternal shall reign supreme !

P.S An ideology is only as good as the People implementing it; with the kind of implementation we had - Anything would've failed !

But all our failures....every single one of them, come back to Governance - Nothing else !

 

[Icarus]

In other news, Taliban buying preferences as per a local store owner:

Dunya News: Taliban like American soap and ladies perfume more: Miranshah vendor.

 

[forcetrip]

In other news, Taliban buying preferences as per a local store owner:

Dunya News: Taliban like American soap and ladies perfume more: Miranshah vendor.

The idiots giving Store owners name. What journalism is this. Also everyone but them know about their hypocrisy filled life, its not surprising or new. Have you ever read the confused @Zarvan's posts?

 

[Icarus]

The idiots giving Store owners name. What journalism is this. Also everyone but them know about their hypocrisy filled life, its not surprising or new. Have you ever read the confused @Zarvan's posts?

I have, much to my misfortune. They are incoherent at best.

 

[forcetrip]

I have, much to my misfortune. They are incoherent at best.

They are a lot better than 2 years ago. If the Zarvibans had to live on products only made by them they would probably share space with the insects. Its a tough world out there and they want to rule it with their antique plan.

 

[FaujHistorian]

ANA has its hands full at the moment..and it is not like you should complain, you never felt the need to deploy your own troops on the border until now, isn't that why half the world's terrorist ended up in Pakistan in the first place?

Pakistan is complaining that Afghans are not helping them clamp down TTP(as if Pakistan ever helped them clamp down AT), but the fact is Pakistan launched this operation on its own timeline, it did coordinate it with Afghanistan or American.

But my point was if Pakistan keeps on carrying out unilateral strike into Afghanistan..soon you will have another neighbor, which is insecure and anti-Pakistan..who will retaliate with in Pakistani territory(they are already considering this).

You will have to permanently man this border, even long after, your operation are over, putting immense strain on already meager resources.

while I agree about ANA being overburdened.

However it is not good for you to compare FATA with Kunar and Nooristan.

FATA has been autonomous region for 100+ years and thus it has been a huge political struggle to convince FATA people to accept deployment of army.

So please do not compare apples to oranges. thank you


Pakistan is NOT carrying unilateral strikes. Our borders posts are being attacked on regular basis and our jawans are being killed.

Be reasonable please.

 

[ares]

while I agree about ANA being overburdened.

However it is not good for you to compare FATA with Kunar and Nooristan.

FATA has been autonomous region for 100+ years and thus it has been a huge political struggle to convince FATA people to accept deployment of army.

So please do not compare apples to oranges. thank you


Pakistan is NOT carrying unilateral strikes. Our borders posts are being attacked on regular basis and our jawans are being killed.

Be reasonable please.

Well, it is certainly not reasonable for Pakistan to expect ANA to serve as an anvil all of sudden, while Pakistan army serves hammer strikes against its militant hide outs.

After South Wazirstan ops, Americans and Afghans were literally begging Pakistan to go into North Wazirstan. At that time, Pakistan decided it not too, maybe because they didn't want aggravate Haqqanis( because they saw them political use for them in Post American scenario) or maybe they simply did not want give into the illusion of giving into American pressure.

Now Americans are leaving, they no longer care, they have handed security duties to ANSF, in addition to election duties.

The facts Pakistan is carrying out this operation of its own accord on it own timeline, they never consulted Afghans in advance, and coordinated.

Hence Pakistani army has to serve its own anvil, seal its borders completely before striking, ..you can do anything to militants, while they are in your borders.

However if you do launch strikes into Afghanistan, you ll certainly do more damage than good.

 

[Green Angel]

Afghanistan must hit back & teach these idiots a lesson

Sit silent .... Indiots

 

[waz]

Care should be taken that no innocent people are hurt. Any firing that goes on is better co-ordinated with the ANA.

 

[Armstrong]

Care should be taken that no innocent people are hurt. Any firing that goes on is better co-ordinated with the ANA.

An Innocent Afghan - @Icarus - What in the world is that ?

Waisee Icarus can we get all the Dars, the Mirs, the Sheikhs, the Khwajas & the Butts to man the Durand Line - Maybe Kashmiri men will finally toughen up after all !