Pakistan failed to gain global empathy in its War on Terror

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This is not a failure on part of Pakistan - any direct attempts to gain sympathy would be dismissed as 'Pakistan trying to get more aid', or some other nonsense cooked up by the countless corporate think-tanks and propaganda systems in place to propagate the narrative.

We haven't been able to make it clear to the world that why we cannot target the haqqanis or other groups,part of that criticism is legitimate .
All of this behind the back of pocket money to our generals and politicians.

Isn't it funny how you blame the Americans for terrorism around the world, yet at the same time you are claiming that Pakistan only went after terrorist to please the Americans, which is it?

Who created the 1970s civil war in Afghanistan?
Who armed the taliban?
Who told musharraf "we will bomb you back to the stone age".
In America you are just another guy from a failed state overrun by terrorists even though Pakistan was terror free before the US invasion of Afghanistan.
All responsibility rests on the american's and our useless Governments who still consider them our allies.
Listen to U.S senators ,if it were up to them they would bomb Pakistan back to the stone age over night.
One day when the dust will settle ,it will be remembered that Pakistan army and ISI played the great game.
Enuff said.

 

[YeBeWarned]

The world felt that Pakistan acted against those terrorist groups that were against Pakistan, but gave free hand to those terror groups that were against US, India, Afghanistan or others such as LeT, Haqanis, Afghan Taliban, AQ and ISIS. So Pakistan war against terror was specific against TTP, and hence it benefited none apart from Pakistan.

Your Post shows your lack of knowledge on the Subject ..

TTP pledge Allegiance with Afghan Taliban
TTP Pledge Allegiance with ISIS leader
AQ and Afghan Taliban fight together and PA has killed many AQ leaders
Haqqani and Afghan Taliban are together and PA has taken action against Haqqani's in Zarb-e-Azb

Mean While India give Full state support to Mukti bahani , BLA , BRA and another scum who wants to do armed struggle against Pakistan ..

 

[Solomon2]

Who created the 1970s civil war in Afghanistan?

Z.A. Bhutto.

Who armed the taliban?

The U.S. & Saudis shipped arms to Pakistan; Zia decided to arm the Taliban with them, rather than more democracy-oriented opposition groups.

Who told musharraf "we will bomb you back to the stone age".

Supposedly it was deputy SecState Richard Armitage.

 

[TankMan]

The U.S. & Saudis shipped arms to Pakistan; Zia decided to arm the Taliban with them, rather than more democracy-oriented opposition groups.

What a load of pure bullshit.

"Democracy-oriented opposition groups"? You mean like the "moderate rebels" the US is supporting in Syria?
There's no such thing as that, never has been, especially not in Afghanistan.

The US didn't give Pakistan a free hand to choose from opposition groups, the weapons, the training - it was all meant to go to the Mujahideen. The US actively and directly supported them, and this has been openly stated by US officials.

"As Brzezinski told Le Nouvel Observateur in a 1998 interview:

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

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Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"
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http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview

This is all on the US. Pakistan facilitated the US and has suffered for it.

Sooner or later, the Empire will have to answer for its actions.

 

[Solomon2]

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention..

Yes, but it was Z.A.B. who created the armed opposition, and that was the question asked. The Americans, at Zia's behest, then added to Pakistan's efforts.

 

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Z.A. Bhutto.

its own record that USSR immediately invaded Afghanistan after the civil war and it also led to rise of communism The civil war was instigated because it was part of another one of those "Global USSR communism campaigns"...

The U.S. & Saudis shipped arms to Pakistan; Zia decided to arm the Taliban with them, rather than more democracy-oriented opposition groups.

The taliban were the Good guys

Post soviet invasion it was the taliban again (Good guys)as they ended the civil war ,Right after warlords were raping little boys and taliban stopped them and came to power..
The only reason Pakistan went along to support rouge groups and create proxy for USSR was on behest of America

American hypocrites at their best :-/

 

[TankMan]

Yes, but it was Z.A.B. who created the armed opposition, and that was the question asked. The Americans, at Zia's behest, then added to Pakistan's efforts.

Your source says nothing of the sort.

It says that Bhutto's government "resorted to extending support to Islamists dissidents that opposed Afghanistan’s Republican government of Sardar Daud".

Supporting dissidents ≠ creating dissidents. The dissidents already existed. And this is Afghanistan we're talking about - most opposition is 'armed opposition'.

We haven't been able to make it clear to the world that why we cannot target the haqqanis or other groups,part of that criticism is legitimate .

Pakistan has targeted the Haqqanis.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/25/pakistan-air-strikes-haqqani-network-afghanistan

The US acknowledged this in 2014, saying that Pakistan fractured the Haqqanis.

Kerry said similar things in 2015, when he lauded Pakistan's Counter-Terrorism Policy.

Then, when their politics called for pressurising Pakistan, the Haqqani Network was resurrected once more, and in classic Orwellian fashion, the US State Dept said in 2016 that Pakistan never took "substantial action against the Afghan Taliban or HQN [Haqqani Network]."

At this point it looks like the Haqqanis are nothing more than convenient boogeymen; a talking point against Pakistan whenever it's needed. They don't take responsibility for attacks, so there's no way to know if they actually did it or whether they even exist anymore, except from US and Afghan sources.

 

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Pakistan has targeted the Haqqanis.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/25/pakistan-air-strikes-haqqani-network-afghanistan

The US acknowledged this in 2014, saying that Pakistan fractured the Haqqanis.

Kerry said similar things in 2015, when he lauded Pakistan's Counter-Terrorism Policy.

Then, when their politics called for pressurising Pakistan, the Haqqani Network was resurrected once more, and in classic Orwellian fashion, the US State Dept said in 2016 that Pakistan never took "substantial action against the Afghan Taliban or HQN [Haqqani Network]."

At this point it looks like the Haqqanis are nothing more than convenient boogeymen; a talking point against Pakistan whenever it's needed. They don't take responsibility for attacks, so there's no way to know if they actually did it or whether they even exist anymore, except from US and Afghan sources.

I know PA targeted Haqqani network primarily with zarb-e-azb but still there was never a foreign policy spokesperson,A ambassador who made it clear that our national interests run against yours.
What do you think about the Osama bin laden episode?
Check this out

“According to this official, Pakistan’s Army chief of staff was alerted in December 2010, five months before the operation. No concrete facts about the operation were passed on, but an informal approval was sought,”

Why did this colonel later on took asylum in the U.S? They were alerted in 2010 does that mean Pakistan had information abbout the OBL whereabouts?
We also lied to our people and brought shame to all Pakistanis by hiding the "Bin laden" incident.
He was caught and kept by the ISI since 2007 wasn't he?

 

[Solomon2]

Your source says nothing of the sort.

It says that Bhutto's government "resorted to extending support to Islamists dissidents that opposed Afghanistan’s Republican government of Sardar Daud".

Supporting dissidents ≠ creating dissidents. The dissidents already existed. And this is Afghanistan we're talking about - most opposition is 'armed opposition'.

The linked source talks about Z.A.B.'s establishment of the "Afghan cell". Other sources are available, too: Christine Fair's Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War might be the one most available to you. It talks about how Pakistan established training camps for the Islamists and by summer 1975 - long before Carter - they had established an insurgency in Afghanistan.

 

[Unite & Defend]

Why do we need empathy from the wider community, publicly?. What we need to do and are doing is, keep killing these foreign funded terrorists in Pakistan.

The word that should be reported about is, 'interested'. Foreign governments are soooo interested in finding out the
operational tactics of our armed forces in successfully defeating Indian funded terror. But they can all suck it.

 

[shhh]

and u want Pakistani nation to hide behind some wall? and let the mad Mullah's roam around spreading their ideology ?

You are talking non-sense.

Talk to me when you have got over the shit you have read in ET and DAWN.

Have a good day.

 

[Tiger Genie]

Pakistan as a country, does not deserve any empathy in re WoT because it is a war on themselves. If they give up their stated policy of relying on jihadis and terrorists in their attempts to advance their military establishment's goals, there would have been a very swift end to America's WoT. Instead Pakistan decided to play cute and for a while it worked. Then it got exposed in its double game of using terrorism as way to get money.

Pakistani people on the other hand do deserve a lot of sympathy. They have no option but live under this venomous military establishment that has over the past 6 decades taken over the government and economy of Pakistan in huge chunks and rendered the population and civilian leadership neutered.

 

[mudas777]

When we had Zardari like people in power who was only interested in propping himself and looting the country other then doing his job. We failed diplomatically to present our narrative in the corridors of power of Washington. Also incidents happened like CIA agent killing at Lahore we didn't handled it properly and adding to that hostile Indian lobby with the help of Jewish lobby turned the tables on us. From then on it doesn't matter which terrorist organization we eliminated we couldn't do enough for Uncle Sam. Demands kept on coming and unless we were prepared to nuke our own country their was no end to it. Thanks for Allah we had general like Raheel Sharif who turned the tables on TTP and gave us a stable environment where we can progress economically and now we are in a position to say to Uncle Sam go and fight your own wars. Now we got NS who refuses to appoint foreign minster to present our case to the world and that's not helping either. Its matter of perception we lost 60000 own people destroyed our own economy due to TTP attacks and still world looked the other way. Obviously our media is bought out by US and our foreign office have got no spine so what are you guys are expecting.. So guys lesson for us is we are our own worst enemies and we are still in a self destruct mode. Unless we force our politicians to do the right things and choose nationalistic politicians who work for Pakistan alone how can we blame others.

 

[MadKid]

You are talking non-sense.

Talk to me when you have got over the shit you have read in ET and DAWN.

Have a good day.

sorry Molbi sb, I dare to challenge you.

 

[shhh]

sorry Molbi sb, I dare to challenge you.

Oh my young boy

You need to realize that there is more to the reality than the propaganda spread by libtard media .

Think about it, ET/Geos/Dawn are known to be funded by NGOs.

They were the ones spreading out anti-establishment and anti-islam propaganda back in PPP days.

There is heck a lot of Iranian lobby at work their.

Think about it, you will find little info about Iranian adventures in the same articles but you will find a plethora of information regarding KSA and Madarasa, blatantly omitting/ignoring Iranian adventures and Iranian sponsored terrorist groups.

And to top it off, there has been no evidence found for KSA's involvement in terrorism.
But there has been official words by army about Iran's involvement of terrorism.

Now I am off course assuming that you are no Ayatullah (which makes this conversation pointless).

Have a good day.