Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Thorough Pro]

Do we have a boneyard for PAF retired planes? if yes where? if no, what happens to all the retired planes

 

[Max Pain]

Do we have a boneyard for PAF retired planes? if yes where? if no, what happens to all the retired planes

I think they're probably sold to Sri Lanka or Bangladesh.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Not always, Remember in Zia's times they were given to Bangladesh for Free.

I think they're probably sold to Sri Lanka or Bangladesh.

 

[Max Pain]

Not always, Remember in Zia's times they were given to Bangladesh for Free.

They might give some now as well.who knows.

 

[fatman17]

Do we have a boneyard for PAF retired planes? if yes where? if no, what happens to all the retired planes

boneyards at Masroor and Faisal......google it.

there could be others also

 

[Arsalan]

What is the latest about the Jordanian F16 that we got? are they going straight for MLU as well? in fact, will there be an MLU program for that? we do have the kits i assume and so we may send these to Turkey as well to upgrade these and bring these to the same level/standard as rest of our fleet. Where do the total number stands now?

 

[fatman17]

What is the latest about the Jordanian F16 that we got? are they going straight for MLU as well? in fact, will there be an MLU program for that? we do have the kits i assume and so we may send these to Turkey as well to upgrade these and bring these to the same level/standard as rest of our fleet. Where do the total number stands now?

already MLU-ed i think when supplied by US to RJAF

PAF ordered 60 kits.....43 have been used up leaving 17. so potentially these 13 ADF could also undergo a full MLU

 

[Najam Khan]

Were the European F-16s refused because of their health, or other, diplomatic reasons?
Any talks of more EDAs from USA?

Health was the primary reason.
A team of pilots & engineers visit any potential country and submit their report. If that has Ifs-and-but then that put decision makers in the back-seat. Political support/approvals comes second.

Where does these retired planes go? to another squadron or new planes are added to the existing inventory

Mostly stored and routinely checked/tested. Those in good condition can be brought back to service again IF required, whereas the old ones are broken for spares use.

sir any idea of cost of recent f-16 purchase by paf or used f-16?

Depends upon service life remaining and overall deal.

What is the latest about the Jordanian F16 that we got? are they going straight for MLU as well? in fact, will there be an MLU program for that? we do have the kits i assume and so we may send these to Turkey as well to upgrade these and bring these to the same level/standard as rest of our fleet. Where do the total number stands now?

Well 3 Dual seats Ex-RJAF I have seen, may be they are 4...haven't counted yet
Regarding MLU, No plan to MLU them in next few years. The are good machines, besides investing more money in MLU so soon will lose the purpose of buying such low-cost Falcons.

 

[Donatello]

Health was the primary reason.
A team of pilots & engineers visit any potential country and submit their report. If that has Ifs-and-but then that put decision makers in the back-seat. Political support/approvals comes second.


Mostly stored and routinely checked/tested. Those in good condition can be brought back to service again IF required, whereas the old ones are broken for spares use.


Depends upon service life remaining and overall deal.




Well 3 Dual seats Ex-RJAF I have seen, may be they are 4...haven't counted yet
Regarding MLU, No plan to MLU them in next few years. The are good machines, besides investing more money in MLU so soon will lose the purpose of buying such low-cost Falcons.

Hmm, well, then i guess that leaves on Jordanian and US EDA F-16s that PAF can scour. Any news on getting more falcons?

 

[Najam Khan]

Hmm, well, then i guess that leaves on Jordanian and US EDA F-16s that PAF can scour. Any news on getting more falcons?

No more for now. How much more you think we need?
Thunder is the future for PAF.

 

[Donatello]

No more for now. How much more you think we need?
Thunder is the future for PAF.

We have 4 squadrons now, 2 more would be ideal for 6 frontline BVR squadrons.

Thunder is there, but it is long time away from reaching BLK52 capability, plus the weapons payload and hard points will be the issue. One is light weight class and the other is Medium weight.

BLK2 Thunder is as usual delayed, so BLK3 is a good 5-7 years from now on.

 

[Thorough Pro]

how many would your enemy bring to fight, when SHTF? I have a pair of well built arms and generally that is enough for me, but if my enemy comes with 5 pairs, my pair doesn't look like "enough" to fight back and survive.

Ever seen a cricket match? Can you ever dream of winning the match with just Wasim, Waqar, and imran at their peak against the weakest full team?

Ever seen wild dogs kill lions? numbers do make a difference, and increase the chance, but more important is the posturing, a strong will to prevail and tactics. One thing alone won't cut it.

We have to get out of "survive two weeks and wait for the world to interfere/protect us" mentality. We are talking about a nation here, a nation that sacrificed millions of lives and honours, Do we just want to survive and live with our tail tucked between our legs? NO! We want to live with full honour, head held high and for that we need to change our posturing, our tactics and our strategy. Assume there is no one to help us and no one will interfere and we will be on our own. If you go to fight with a strategy to slap the opponent and expecting to be protected by bystanders, then we deserve to get the crap beat out of us, humiliated and dishonoured.

We have 4 squadrons now, 2 more would be ideal for 6 frontline BVR squadrons.

Thunder is there, but it is long time away from reaching BLK52 capability, plus the weapons payload and hard points will be the issue. One is light weight class and the other is Medium weight.

BLK2 Thunder is as usual delayed, so BLK3 is a good 5-7 years from now on.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Health was the primary reason.
Depends upon service life remaining and overall deal.

so i suppose there was no weapons package, but i don't know about engines, were there spare engines with them too, if not they would have been bought at around half the price of flyaway costs so my rough guess would be 25-30 mil a piece, what do u say?

Do we have a boneyard for PAF retired planes? if yes where? if no, what happens to all the retired planes

they are erected as monuments at different roads, otherwise kept as spares or ready reserves.

 

[Thorough Pro]

not the whole squadrons, only a few. I don't think their are more than 30 monuments in the whole country for all the types combined. Fatman and Najam had already responded

so i suppose there was no weapons package, but i don't know about engines, were there spare engines with them too, if not they would have been bought at around half the price of flyaway costs so my rough guess would be 25-30 mil a piece, what do u say?



they are erected as monuments at different roads, otherwise kept as spares or ready reserves.

 

[fatman17]

a strong and robust economy ---> leads to a nation that pays its share of taxes ---> leads to a strong and robust defence ----> leads to a confident and robust nation where the adversary will think twice before doing anything.