Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Najam Khan]

Well.. according to AC rizwan.. the tomcat pilot was a young jock acting smart.. making close passes to the Mirages..going inverted..etc.
He said he took it for a while..till the US pilot started making moves too close for comfort..
So the next time the tomcat pilot did a showoff.. he jettisoned his tanks..and went hot on the winders..
this led to the F-14 going wildly evasive, AC rizwan said that he still had a lock on the F-14..and within that window could have taken him..
However.. after a minute or so of maneuvering both A/C were bingo.. and headed back.
Whatever it was.. it had the tomcat pilot cursing loudly on the guard channel.

Good narration...Just to tease PAF pilots, they used to fly close to our airspace, when informed once by a scrambled Mirage, the rude reply was that 'I know the borders'....they continued flying along the border for 45min....God knows whats the reason of wasting so much time and fuel at such a non sense mission...!

 

[SQ8]

Good narration...Just to tease PAF pilots, they used to fly close to our airspace, when informed once by a scrambled Mirage, the rude reply was that 'I know the borders'....they continued flying along the border for 45min....God knows whats the reason of wasting so much time and fuel at such a non sense mission...!

Does not exist in the American dictionary.

 

[Najam Khan]

Santro this one is for you.
OC 11 Sqn receiving ACES Top trophy in 1995....i believe the person is known to you

And with coveted trophies. 11 Sqn won ACES three times in a row 1993,1995,1996. They were second in 1997 and 1998.

 

[Donatello]

Does not exist in the American dictionary.

...Because there doesn't exist any 'American Dictionary'...but rather the same old colonial English, chopped down into slangs...which is the new language for them. :p

 

[Donatello]

Santro this one is for you.
OC 11 Sqn receiving ACES Top trophy in 1995....i believe the person is known to you

And with coveted trophies. 11 Sqn won ACES three times in a row 1993,1995,1996. They were second in 1997 and 1998.

Hi Najam,

Thanks for the pics.

Is the competition held every year? Because 1993, 1995 and 1996 isn't three times in a row......unless there was no competition for 1994.

 

[Najam Khan]

Hi Najam,

Thanks for the pics.

Is the competition held every year? Because 1993, 1995 and 1996 isn't three times in a row......unless there was no competition for 1994.

Yes, ACES and ADEx evaluations of all flying squadrons and air defence units are carried out every year. ACES evaluation for maintenance efficiency and combat training is to assess the war preparedness of base/units. I don't think in 1994 it was done, may be it was not needed as Highmark93 was conducted some time back.

 

[khurasaan1]

US f-16nz are useless to us ....

 

[muse]

No need to sell them.. and no need to shed them either, just use them sparingly.

But why assume the risk? What kind of argument is to use equipment sparingly, I mean is the cost not justification for ridding ourselves of these and going for platforms that are 100 percent ours, our to decide who, what, when,how and why, instead of equipment which we in essence, rent and whose use is really in the hands of those who may just as easily be foes and not friends.

I can understand the jockey position - and don't have an argument against it -- these platforms are a danger for us, they perform great, but the use of these is not in our hands and in a tough situation, not even spares from Turkiye or Israel will be possible - in other words, junk.

No offense intend to any jockey, it's not the performance of the platform and it's systems, nor to any of the personal relationships - the argument really is about how these platforms figure in US policy and Pakistan polikcy and how these are at odds and must be resolved - Pakistan can agree to be a US vassal... or not.

 

[SQ8]

But why assume the risk? What kind of argument is to use equipment sparingly, I mean is the cost not justification for ridding ourselves of these and going for platforms that are 100 percent ours, our to decide who, what, when,how and why, instead of equipment which we in essence, rent and whose use is really in the hands of those who may just as easily be foes and not friends.

I can understand the jockey position - and don't have an argument against it -- these platforms are a danger for us, they perform great, but the use of these is not in our hands and in a tough situation, not even spares from Turkiye or Israel will be possible - in other words, junk.

No offense intend to any jockey, it's not the performance of the platform and it's systems, nor to any of the personal relationships - the argument really is about how these platforms figure in US policy and Pakistan polikcy and how these are at odds and must be resolved - Pakistan can agree to be a US vassal... or not.

These platforms lasted even through US sanctions in the 90's.. and whilst even then it was considered that the sq's that flew them had a weeks lifespan.. they still would make some difference. So whilst the capability exists to make a difference in a conflict. Why dump them..?
Worse case.. they'll be sanctioned right??.. so fine.. we'll fly them a little, reduce sq strength , cannibalize them..

They will not hold the top tier in the tech tree for the PAF in a few years anyway.. why fret so much about them?

 

[air marshal]

FALCON AT FULL THROTTLE: The F-16 boosts forward with its afterburners activated displaying a beautiful pattern behind.

 

[fatman17]

2 Jun 2002
Pakistani F-16 shot down 1 Indian Searcher II UAV

 

[fatman17]

Pakistani Air Force F-16 Pilots

36 Pakistani Air Force pilots have reached 1,000 flying hours or more in the F-16 Fighting Falcon so far.

Wg.Cmd. Zulfiqar "Sidewinder" Ayub
(Updated: 29 May 2010)
9 sqn | 9 sqn

Wg.Cmd. Tariq Zia
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
| 9 sqn

Irfan Ahmed
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Wg.Cmd. Fauad Masud Hatmi
(Updated: 29 Aug 2010)
11 sqn | 9 sqn

Air.Cmd. Ashfaq Arain (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Wg.Cmd. Aamir Masood
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
| 9 sqn

Wg.Cmd. M. Haseeb Paracha
(Updated: 30 Aug 2010)
9 sqn | 11 sqn

Wg.Cmd. Ali Naeem "Baaz" Zahoor
(Updated: 22 May 2011)
11 sqn

Air.Vice.Marsh. Farhat Hussain Khan
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Air. Vice. Marsh. Athar Bokhari (Ret.)
(Updated: 29 May 2010)

Air.Cmd. Khaleel Ahmed
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Haider "Tipu" Zaidi
(Updated: 20 Feb 2011)
11 sqn

Wg.Cmd. Javad Saeed
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Sqn.Ldr. Khalid Mahmood (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Wg.Cmd. Bilal Hassan
(Updated: 29 May 2010)
9 sqn

Wg.Cmd. Waqas Ahmed Sulehri
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Wg.Cmd. Hamza Jamil
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Sqn.Ldr. Omair Ahmed Najmi
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Moin "Tornado" Rana
(Updated: 29 May 2010)

Sqn.Ldr. Khalid Mehmood
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
9 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Azman Khalil
(Updated: 1 Feb 2010)

Sqn.Ldr. Asim "Mav-Slammer" Raja
(Updated: 29 May 2010)
9 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Nauman "Hornet" Ali
(Updated: 29 Jan 2011)
11 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Mustafa "Lightening" Orakzai
(Updated: 17 Feb 2010)
11 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Aftab "Viper-Phantom" Zia
(Updated: 29 May 2010)
11 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Shazib "Falcon" Mehmood
(Updated: 21 Nov 2010)
11 sqn

Cdr. Sayed Muzaffar Ali (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Sqn.Ldr. Ali Asad Khan (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Sqn.Ldr. Muhammad Azam
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Wg.Cmd. Azher Hassan
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Air.Cmd. Razi Nawab (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Sqn.Ldr. Muhammad Iqbal
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Air.Cmd. Tariq Mahmud Ashraf
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Air.Vice.Marsh. Waseem-ud-din (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Air.Vice.Marsh. Mohammad Yousaf
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Sqn.Ldr. Syed Omer Shah
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn


very selective group!!!

 

[air marshal]

2 Jun 2002
Pakistani F-16 shot down 1 Indian Searcher II UAV

what's the exact date, June 2, 2002 or June 7, 2002?

See also: http://www.f-16.net/news_article605.html

 

[air marshal]

THE FIRST AND THE FURIOUS: Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar and Sqn Ldr Afzal (GIBS) of No 9 MR Sqn destroy an intruding UAV (Searcher-II) of IAF on the night of 7th June, 2002, during Ops Sentinel. This was the first kill of a UAV by any fighter aircraft in the world.

 

[MZUBAIR]

Any thing comes out .......abt F-16 A/B MLU Process.