Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[SQ8]

Hi,

Your assessment is incorrect---. The germans had no answer for the USAF---.

The germans had no answer for the 24 hour assembly lines running in the uniteds states producing thousands of aircraft---.

The germans had no chance against theUS industrial might---.

" In 1939, total aircraft production for the US military was less than 3,000 planes. By the end of the war, America produced 300,000 planes. No war was more industrialized than World War II. It was a war won as much by machine shops as by machine guns".

Off topic and I am to close this tangent, but to further your point: China has over a billion souls but its GDP is 2/3rds that of the US which has 1/4th of the population of China.
The US is a juggernaut of manufacturing and innovation that the Chinese simply cannot hope to match until another 30 years.

The venerable F-117, supposedly retired 1st generation LO platform is currently testing new concepts out in the Nevada desert.

 

[ziaulislam]

Off topic and I am to close this tangent, but to further your point: China has over a billion souls but its GDP is 2/3rds that of the US which has 1/4th of the population of China.
The US is a juggernaut of manufacturing and innovation that the Chinese simply cannot hope to match until another 30 years.

The venerable F-117, supposedly retired 1st generation LO platform is currently testing new concepts out in the Nevada desert.

To be honest if you are comparing GDP u have to look at PPP not nominal

Things will not change but if usa stop immigration which might happen..things will change drastically ...

 

[Trailer23]

Lockheed Martin reportedly set to build all F-16 wings in India
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/04/lockheed-martin-set-to-build-all-f-16-wings-in-india.html
Source:cnbc

A few takeaways in regard to India (Tata Advanced Systems) getting the contract for building the Wings for the future Lockheed Martin F-16's.

1. I don't know any country that builds parts for an aircraft (Military or Commercial) and does not have it in service.
Note: The deal was not dependent on India buying F-16's.

2. Currently, the Royal Bahraini Air Force is the only customer for the F-16 when they placed the order a couple of months back for 16 Block-70.
Now, i've been looking up - and have yet to find any details on when they will start delivery of those jets. However, according to the official website of Lockheed Martin - they are already talking about the 150 and 200 new jobs in Greenville, South Carolina and 450 U.S. suppliers in 42 States.

Tata Advanced Systems (TASL) is planning to set up production in Hyderabad, but that too is not gonna happen overnight...

Thoughts...

 

[Raider 21]

Off topic and I am to close this tangent, but to further your point: China has over a billion souls but its GDP is 2/3rds that of the US which has 1/4th of the population of China.
The US is a juggernaut of manufacturing and innovation that the Chinese simply cannot hope to match until another 30 years.

The venerable F-117, supposedly retired 1st generation LO platform is currently testing new concepts out in the Nevada desert.

 

[messiach]

flying wings have limited utility, conservative designs are more versatile and far efficient.

 

[Imran Khan]

Why USAF on maverick missiles ?

 

[SQ8]

Why USAF on maverick missiles ?


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Taken from their excess stocks. They have switched to the G&H versions, we bougjt their stocks of D’s.

 

[Windjammer]

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[Signalian]

Hi,

The 2nd world war was won on the western front by the air force---smashed the german industrial complex---.

I knew a german family that lived thru that bombing---Dresden was just an example---the USAF was dominating the skies and would have obliterated any or all german cities---.

How about the 1st gulf war---.

More advanced a nation is---the more it depends on its industrial complex bigger and massive the destruction would be---.

The sooner they would lay their arms down---.

Now if you compare it to Afghanistan---that is a different story---.

Although i am of the opinion that PAF modernization through induction of state-of-the-art jets is necessary, and not just light JF-17's but other types like heavy and stealthy aircrafts, the modern precise bombing runs are also conducted by UCAV's. I am not aware of Carpet bombings in recent era like the ones occurring in WW2.

 

[MastanKhan]

Although i am of the opinion that PAF modernization through induction of state-of-the-art jets is necessary, and not just light JF-17's but other types like heavy and stealthy aircrafts, the modern precise bombing runs are also conducted by UCAV's. I am not aware of Carpet bombings in recent era like the ones occurring in WW2.

Hi,

UCAV's will not be able to do the job that a strike aircraft would be able to---. In an environment with heavy heavy jamming---the UCAv's maybe of not much value---.

For lighter mission loads and small targets---the ucav's would work---but when you have to travel long distances---the pilot still is the master of the skies---.

The only nations capable of carpet bombing are the US and russia---no one else have heavy bombers to do that anymore---. The modern heavy strike aircraft come close to doing that---.

Off course the modern day smart bombs do more damage than older versions due to precision strikes---but then when you are facing an opponent twice your size in numbers---there have to be effective means to strike back---.

You also have to keep in mind the " fear factor "---does the " smart " enemy fear your equipment---does he have concerns about your equipment. Because---if he does not---then there is less tendency on his part to make any errors in judgement---and if the bigger enemy does not make any errors in judgement---then indeed that is a much bigger problem to face during combat.

 

[Path-Finder]

any likelihood of this happening on PAF?

 

[Imran Khan]

any likelihood of this happening on PAF?

there is more cheap and easy way paf can do it themselves

 

[Path-Finder]

there is more cheap and easy way paf can do it themselves

This occupies a space which can be occupied by munition or electronic POD. This is not an ideal solution not to mention it is accident prone too.

 

[Imran Khan]

This occupies a space which can be occupied by munition or POD. This is not an ideal solution not to mention it is accident prone too.

but janab for this tech you need to beg from trump while we can modify tanks by ourselves

 

[Path-Finder]

but janab for this tech you need to beg from trump while we can modify tanks by ourselves

that modification is done by Turkey and it didn't need their permission either. Pakistan has been modding older F16's without yankee permission. Adding external fuel tanks to older F16 with this feature is the way forward.