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I tatally agree . In past 14 years, what we have got is meaningless. What original order was , in 2005_6, 75 block52' then reduced to 55 and then only 36 and then. Just 18. It was cancelled by Musharraf as he wanted to tell the world that we want to spend money on victems of earthquake.and then ppl saw many new faces getting billionaire...At that time, the only question asked by Lockheed was , if pakistan can pay for 75 birds?? Now they are not providing even secondhand. At that time, requirement was to offset su30. What to talk about Rafale?? And Chinese aircrafts are always under development when we need.. an example is j10. Since 2009, PAF is in need of it, and now its a failure of reverse engineering....I,m sure j31 will also be legging behind
PAF is just short on money for major acquisitions. This is going to be a problem for as long as we let clowns such as Nawaz Sharif manage our economy.
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Mr.10% reportedly was a big reason in the deal going down.
The worst decision PAF has ever made. Total waste of money on Jf-17. May be the just needed JF-17 to fight in FATA and North Waziristan .Hi,
It was actually Paf that had assessed that the threat of war with india is minimal and there was no need for a high performance fighter aircraft----so they decided to go with their own research and a lightweight fighter the JF 17.
Defense Minister of that time was asking Million dollar a piece for releasing the funds.
The worst decision PAF has ever made. Total waste of money on Jf-17. May be the just needed JF-17 to fight in FATA and North Waziristan .
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Sir,
You just created a " horde " of enemies on this board---. Welcome to the club.
Sir,
You just created a " horde " of enemies on this board---. Welcome to the club.
How does not wanting Sharif suddenly translate into wanting Zardari and Gilani? I don't want any of these clowns in charge of the economy. I'd rather hire a real clown to do it over these people. Heck, I'll hire a gorilla with an adopted 25 year old mentally challenged blind man with a pet weasel suffering from an amputated leg, to mange our economy.So you are a fan of economy management skills of Zardari and Gilani?
PAF is just short on money for major acquisitions. This is going to be a problem for as long as we let clowns such as Nawaz Sharif manage our economy.
Defense Minister of that time was asking Million dollar a piece for releasing the funds.
The worst decision PAF has ever made. Total waste of money on Jf-17. May be the just needed JF-17 to fight in FATA and North Waziristan .
Pakistanis need to make Pakistan incredibly hostile for the politicians, as it is the politicians in general who mis-manage the economic portfolio. We need to hold the security establishment to account as well, ideally with a drawn knife, so that these bloody suits and stars learn to *serve* the quam, not take us for a ride or two.
Name a general, and allow me to tell you how they miss-managed the Pakistani system and the economy!!
Dude exactly what other pdf members shud think (Y)1: Everyone in the history of Pakistan, involved in the defense deals, made millions. Take Mushy for example, how does his son own over $ 25 millions of secondary /joint hold owned real estate in the US? Similarly, Mushy has a bunch of other properties and business partnerships in the UK and even in Pakistan. Majority of which, yo guessed it, are with Ex-Generals or Senior Officers he dealt with during these defense deals. So there is no holly cow in these deals. In fact, this would be true for India, China and every other country too.
2: JFT isn't a "money wasted", when it replaces the 250-300 Mirages, and F-7's its supposed to, you brought 60% of the PAF from obsolete second generation to the 4th with just 40% of the money compared to what would it really cost to do so. Plus, you by passed many foreign countries and you'll save billions in ongoing maintenance and expense.
3: Remember, the JFT is not a -16 block 52 comparison. It's much stronger and capable than what its replacing. But you do need jets like the -16 block 52 and / or J-10C's or J-11's in decent numbers. And THEN add the J-31 for 5th gen. But for now, let's focus on conventional 4th -4.5th gen needs. J-10C has matured enough to be similar to Rafale, specially with the AESA. J-11D is also a great option.
4: Funding situation, sooner or later, the FATA ops will stop. When that happens, a few billions being spent on there, will become available for other purposes. Plus, various economy and infrastructure related projects are near completion. One of the reasons that PAF is silent is due to the fact of JFT block III being a rename for a potential J-10C type of a plane where you are reusing what's already built and tested for years. So that would be real quick adoption. At this time, the real major issue is to finish infrastructure projects, start producing enough electricity, turn the keys on phase I of the CPEC and let the revenue flow. The J-10C orders can take any time, but if the PAF has her eyes on a better Western, Russian or a Chinese platform, it'll be 2018 before they can reassess the economic situation and hash-out a good few billions!!
The PAF should get used -16's in the meantime. But on the JFT, I think they should continue with Block II for now, but reconfigure a plant for J-10C type production under Block III. It'll be quicker to get those jets.
It was not the defence minister but Zardari himself who was demanding money and the cost was not a million dollars but 10 million$ per plane.Defense Minister of that time was asking Million dollar a piece for releasing the funds.
The worst decision PAF has ever made. Total waste of money on Jf-17. May be the just needed JF-17 to fight in FATA and North Waziristan .
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It was not the defence minister but Zardari himself who was demanding money and the cost was not a million dollars but 10 million$ per plane.
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Defense Minister of that time was asking Million dollar a piece for releasing the funds.
The worst decision PAF has ever made. Total waste of money on Jf-17. May be the just needed JF-17 to fight in FATA and North Waziristan .