Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Imran Khan]

they are from recent exersize bro

 

[PakShaheen79]

well thanks for ur coment but real thanking is by clicking THANK button.

Oh my bad... Though i have done..Anyhow I have Clicked "THNAKS" button for your comfort.

 

[Arsalan]

they are from recent exersize bro

hmm that what they seemed like, no one gonna drop bombs flying over chaklala!!
thanks for conformation!
i was confused as te first post claimed the pic there to be from
6 sep and then nothing was mentioned in second post as if the sequence is continued!!

regards!

 

[Super Falcon]

A year after the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) was called to join the country's military effort in combating Taliban militants along the border with Afghanistan, the planned arrival in August of the first air-to-air refuelling aircraft on lease from Ukraine for training purposes carries a special significance. By 2010, the PAF plans to complete the induction of up to four Ilyushin Il-78 aircraft fitted with a mid-air refuelling capability, extending the capacity of its fighter aircraft to patrol areas over the border region. Western defence officials see the induction of a mid-air refuelling capability as a significant boost to the PAF at a time when the force aims to reconcile itself with duties related to anti-terror operations while maintaining what its senior commanders describe as a "minimum deterrence" against the much larger Indian Air Force (IAF). According to the chief of the air staff of the PAF, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, the refuelling capability is an "extremely significant" development. "This is an absolutely new capability we are getting, which we are inducting.
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We never had this capability in the Pakistan Air Force," ACM Qamar told Jane's. The PAF's operations in Pakistan's northern areas, ranging from the northern Swat valley and its surrounding region, have been carried out mainly by some of the 45 US-supplied F-16 multirole fighter aircraft in Pakistan's inventory. "These armed aircraft can stay for up to four, five, six hours in the area," ACM Qamar said."During this time, if there is any militant attack anywhere in the FATA [Federally Administered Tribal Areas], these aircraft can go there immediately, within minutes, and they can bomb the militants. It will create the right kind of deterrence against the militants." ACM Qamar said the PAF's operations in the north have brought significant pressure to bear on Taliban militants, who were on the advance until the recent military campaign in Swat began reversing the tide. "They [Taliban militants] never see us on the ground. The only time they find out that an aircraft has struck is when the bomb explodes on them.
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It creates a great psychological impact." The PAF's experience in the past year is beginning to influence its future plans, both in terms of operational procedures as well as the choice of aircraft and ammunition. "This was a new kind of warfare for us. The PAF was focused on enemy air forces. We remained focused on enemy land forces and enemy air forces and, therefore, we were preparing ourselves to fight against organised modern air forces and against modern armies," ACM Qamar said. "We never thought we would be required to fight against militants or be involved in counter-insurgency operations. When we started this [counter-insurgency], we had to learn while on the job. We had to re-orient our thinking, we had to refine our ... existing SOPs [standard operating procedures] and we had to develop new SOPs for this kind of warfare. However, we did that very quickly." This experience has led the PAF to identify new areas for development, such as acquiring more precision-guided bombs, enhanced night precision attack capabilities and the capability to monitor communications and track the movement of militants. The PAF's other, already established, requirements include the development of the JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft, co-produced with China.
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The PAF plans to eventually induct up to 250 JF-17 fighters, making the aircraft the backbone of its inventory. The first 'fully made in Pakistan' JF-17 is expected to be produced by the end of this year at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in Kamra, north of Islamabad. However, there is still a requirement for a more advanced fighter aircraft, as the PAF prepares to counter the future edge that may be acquired by the IAF once it completes the planned purchase of 126 multirole combat aircraft (MRCAs) "We knew about this requirement of the Indian Air Force for 126 latest-generation fighter aircraft. Yes, it is an alarming development because when they get 126 such capable aircraft, then we also need to have something matching to counter that threat," ACM Qamar said. For the PAF, not only will the induction of 14 used F-16 aircraft and 18 new F-16C/D aircraft figure prominently in narrowing the gap, but continuing negotiations with China to purchase up to 36 FC-20 fighter aircraft - designated the J-10 in China - will also play an important role. ACM Qamar said the PAF has finalised the technical proposal for the FC-20 and informed the Chinese of its requirements."[The technical proposal] is more or less finalised now. There are some changes that are required, which [the Chinese] are making," he said.
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The next stage of the contract will involve financial negotiations between China and Pakistan. ACM Qamar believes that, following the signing of a contract, it will take two to two-and-a-half years before the first FC-20 aircraft is received. Other elements of the PAF's force expansion include the purchase of four Erieye airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft from Sweden. The PAF expects to receive the first of these aircraft by end of this year and the other three next year.ACM Qamar said the PAF has also signed a contract for the purchase of four Chinese airborne early warning and control aircraft. The first of these is due to arrive in 2011 and the remaining three will be delivered in 2012.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

they are from recent exersize bro

nop bro they r from old one,in which we have seen mirages & f7p bombing different bombs.also it contained the pix of cluster bombing.
if u want a full view of these pix click here
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/33643-images-paf-exercises.html

 

[PakShaheen79]

nop bro they r from old one,in which we have seen mirages & f7p bombing different bombs.also it contained the pix of cluster bombing.
if u want a full view of these pix click here
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/33643-images-paf-exercises.html

Do you mean high marks 2005? I don't think so... Sorry if you are talking about some other exercise but i still think they are latest one as I am seeing them first time on internet but i may be wrong.

 

[wild peace]

nop bro they r from old one,in which we have seen mirages & f7p bombing different bombs.also it contained the pix of cluster bombing.
if u want a full view of these pix click here
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/33643-images-paf-exercises.html

Then whats about the thanks you received from sir arsalanaslam123 , bilal1219 , r0ck , TOPGUN .??

 

[Arsalan]

Then whats about the thanks you received from sir arsalanaslam123 , bilal1219 , r0ck , TOPGUN .??

,exactly!!
well danger-zone bro you must not forget to mention the captions to the pics telling the event from which the pics are taken. with defence day just past and Sffron bandits going on the pics may well be really misleading!
anyway as they were good ine ppics so i guess they still deserve a tab at thanks button but kindly do mention the event of the pic is future!
keep up with the nice work friend!
regards!

 

[RameeX Xaved]

hehehe thats the funniest ever!

 

[naseebkhanniazi]

i think it is very importent that pakistan leave usa depndenc and worke with china and wait for j11 and cancel the contrect of f16 52 oder and go to buy j10b after this j11

 

[nightrider_saulat]

i think it is very importent that pakistan leave usa depndenc and worke with china and wait for j11 and cancel the contrect of f16 52 oder and go to buy j10b after this j11

but note that jf-17 and f-16 together will give us a deadly advantage over our adversary
because both look exactly of a same airframe

 

[PakShaheen79]

but note that jf-17 and f-16 together will give us a deadly advantage over our adversary
because both look exactly of a same airframe

May be they look but in actual war looks don't matter and performance wise F-16 is still ahead in some areas like weapon load etc.

 

[RameeX Xaved]

but in actual dog fights, how much probability there is that a F-16 pilot will fire all its 9 missiles before being hit by some other dude? im not saying that more hard points is not an advantage, but in actual warfare i think F-16s wont achieve superiority over Jf-17 on the basis of hardpoints

 

[Arsalan]

but in actual dog fights, how much probability there is that a F-16 pilot will fire all its 9 missiles before being hit by some other dude? im not saying that more hard points is not an advantage, but in actual warfare i think F-16s wont achieve superiority over Jf-17 on the basis of hardpoints

bro do you reeally beleive that there will still be some Dog fights in air,,
i man with all the BVRAAM missiles and emphasis on long range radar with multiple target tracking and engaging capabilities dog fight seem most unlikely to happen. no in these BVR combates the plane wiht more hard points, ths more missiles will be at an advantage of firing multiple missiles at the target thus reducing its escape probability!
moreover in Air to ground and marine time duties we cannot expect a plane ladden with three external oil tansk, atleast one AShM and just two WVRAAM to do us a lot good! it wont be wise to sned in the plane wiht no BVRAAM and to do so one will have to compromise on range by removing fuel tanks,, i know that the solution to this problem will caome along with the mid air refueler sbut it wont be an ideal answer!
you do not want your front line plane to be refueled again and again in war times!!
so the bottom line is JF17 will havce to improve on number of weapons it can carry if it really have to reach tha level that PAF currently wants it to be. this can be acheived either by hard way afater some modification in air frame to support atleast two extra hardpoint or by using multiple pylons to carry two missiles at one hardpoint. with a newer and powerfull engine already planned it wont be much of a task!!

regards!

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Air to ground or anti ship attack----the plane doing the primary strike on the target would carry the primary strike weapons---smart bombs or anti ship missiles---extra fuel tanks and maybe two wvr missiles maybe not---it will only be loaded for the job at hand---support planes will have whatever is needed--bvr's wvr's etc etc---.

The pilot going in against an sea / ocean going target knows in his heart that he has already punched his one way ticket---he knows, he is not coming back---his goal is how to get to his target and deliver the weapons and destroy the enemy---he is concerned about enemy planes pouncing upon him----.

American f 16's delivering smart weapons during the gulf war had bare minimum defencive weapons load.