Imran Khan
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sir by your calculation 18 for 1.8 billion costs 100 million not 45 million...We got 18 Block 52+ for $1.8 Billion. $45 Million per unit.
Honestly I've had enough of this JF-17 bullshit.If you don't have anything else to say just don't visit F-16's thread.What part of over-relying you guys dont understand?Without F-16's You would have nothing to match SU30.JF-17 does not even come close to Block 52 specs wise.Why not just attach a jet engine and two wings to a Suzuki Mehran for defense of our air space..it will be indigenous and cheap.I don't know whats wrong with you guys..We got the fking AIM120 with F-16 which pretty much gave the most lethal BVR capability to PAF.Don't think relying too much on Chinese would be a good thing.They are much more cruel businessman then Americans.I think in 2002, we should only have negotiated on getting back our 28 F-16s and upgrading it in Turkey by involving our Technicians and Engineers there. More over, we can also negotiate with Venuezvela along with U.S over the purchase of 24 F-16s from there which are Block-15s and can be upgraded too in Turkey in this way we would have:
31+28+24=83 F-16s Block-15 MLU-3 being ready till 209 if they upgrade has started from 2003/2004
No need of Block52 instead invest in JF-17 facilities and production along with future development of JF-17s.
Honestly I've had enough of this JF-17 bullshit.If you don't have anything else to say just don't visit F-16's thread.What part of over-relying you guys dont understand?Without F-16's You would have nothing to match SU30.JF-17 does not even come close to Block 52 specs wise.Why not just attach a jet engine and two wings to a Suzuki Mehran for defense of our air space..it will be indigenous and cheap.I don't know whats wrong with you guys..We got the fking AIM120 with F-16 which pretty much gave the most lethal BVR capability to PAF.Don't think relying too much on Chinese would be a good thing.They are much more cruel businessman then Americans.
Honestly I've had enough of this JF-17 bullshit.If you don't have anything else to say just don't visit F-16's thread.What part of over-relying you guys dont understand?Without F-16's You would have nothing to match SU30.JF-17 does not even come close to Block 52 specs wise.Why not just attach a jet engine and two wings to a Suzuki Mehran for defense of our air space..it will be indigenous and cheap.I don't know whats wrong with you guys..We got the fking AIM120 with F-16 which pretty much gave the most lethal BVR capability to PAF.Don't think relying too much on Chinese would be a good thing.They are much more cruel businessman then Americans.
Well said we have been relying on chinese too much although they have supported us time and again but their weapon still lagging behind the west by large margin Block 52+ is superior to anything Indians have at the moment with its AMRAAM capability only issue is will it be useful in combat. JF-17 is a workhorse type of aircraft which can absorb losses in the event of war as you can throw many of them in combat at a given time it still lags and won't be competing against F-16 in PAF its a different class fighter. If it gets modern state of the art western avionics than it will be competitive. Even the Indian put western avionics in MKI to make it competitive. We are just over confident on JF-17 which hasn't got BVR IOC yet after 4 years of service.
If F16 Cost 100 Million why fuk we dont buy F15 or F 18 Super Hornet (US$66.9 million (2012 flyaway cost) while f16 Flyaway Cost is around 50 Million) or some other aircrafftsir by your calculation 18 for 1.8 billion costs 100 million not 45 million...
most of f-16s deals around the world costs around 100 million...
i dont know but peopel for some unknown reason like to under quote f-16 prices..you cant even get a gripen less than 70 million...
we confuse flyout costs with actual cost(which include R&D and other taxes etc)..flyout cost may be around 50 million for f-16 but to foreign customer it would still cost around 100 million
If F16 Cost 100 Million why fuk we dont buy F15 or F 18 Super Hornet (US$66.9 million (2012 flyaway cost) while f16 Flyaway Cost is around 50 Million) or some other aircrafft
sir by your calculation 18 for 1.8 billion costs 100 million not 45 million...
most of f-16s deals around the world costs around 100 million...
i dont know but peopel for some unknown reason like to under quote f-16 prices..you cant even get a gripen less than 70 million...
we confuse flyout costs with actual cost(which include R&D and other taxes etc)..flyout cost may be around 50 million for f-16 but to foreign customer it would still cost around 100 million
We aren't relying as much as u think on china ... Jfthunder "was" a simple replacement and "now" it is more than even air force official expected ... Without F16 we still are the same , when in 15 million dollar jf17 has 85% same capabilities as blk52+ , most people neglect the avionics of jf17 , the block 52+ so far only provided the SAR capability to PAF and BVR which we didn't have as before (but we already were expecting jf17 to PAF in months ) until jf17 arrived yes jf17 has it , when a plane is designed it is expensive if it's development cost is too much USA spends billions of dollars on SAR and EW , missile technology they have to subsequently R&D them so the cost of f16 is definitely going to very HIGH. While'st Jf17 is an development from f16 and existing designs which saved time and costs for example initial the jf17 has conventional intake than later PAF and china came to know that DSI is cheaper and stealthier then just changed it with little modifications. The Radar was already present in j10 , Missile's with All aspect were already present that is why jf17 is cheaper. The Problem with Pakistani's is they still believe that China products suck , but one must realise almost Whole world for example AMD , Intel , Nvidia, Nokia there nano parts are made by the chinese industries. pakistani are scared of the label "Made in China" dont get ur self so fooled .
I have personnel's from army and airforce who have clearly admit have new hope that pakistan is getting back to a good technology and reliable friend. It is not like China is doing for free we have given them access to karakorum highway and Gwadar port which is far too important for chinese economy. Fact is Both the sides are relying.
So let me come to point that F16 is awesome but jf17 is awesome too . and we can live without f16 but problem is we have to take time to master the skills on jf17 which is obvious when u induct new plane.
The mistake we made while dealing with the americans was to relied too much on them. We are repeating the same mistake with China. People tend to forget that there is no brotherhood crap, its pure business and strategic interest. China has both in Pakistan and so they will continue to support us but that does not mean that we become so dependent upon them that once of if they pull the plug we fall on our faces.