Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Aamir Hussain]

What kind of carrot do we possess would entice US to be friends with us again? Nothing short of betrayal against China would work. Bases against Afghanistan isn't worth that much. India has already offered a bigger carrot to them and joined the US-led quad. And you know India and Pakistan can never Co exist in a same block or group. And simply we can't out-carrot India here anyways.

You may deny it but the fact is economically and militarily Pakistan's future is tied with China. They have invested a lot and in turn bought a lot of influence over us.

A few dozen F-16s are not really worth it to loose a tried and tested ally like China. They are a hell lot more dependable than deceptive, rude US. See what happened with Turkey when it required to bolster its military even being a vital NATO member. So anymore F-16s would be more of a liability in the long term upon our already weak economic position. And yes J-10C would be the logical choice.

Yes F-16 is without a doubt great fighting machine but circumstances dictates otherwise for us.

We all love Hollywood, Western freedom, western chicks, their language, their technology and progress but I am afraid our bureaucratic and top military brass would have to find some alternative venues to spend their holidays or their retirement plans. Something more Asian or Eastern
So brush up your Russian and Chinese language skills too.

Exactly
Mirage, F-16s, JF-17s and J-10C would be the perfect combination.

Maybe replace Mirages with J-10s later down the road

If we think relations with China will not have its own consequences, then I am afraid we are living in a fools paradise as we have always been when we were the darling of the west.

 

[Blacklight]

I have heard in interviews senior PAF officials claiming that JF-17 is capable of firing AMRAAM missiles too!

Can you provide a link to those statements?

 

[Blacklight]

Can somebody tell here that How much did F-16 block 52+ costed us back then? Their flyaway cost?

The Government of Pakistan – F-16 Block 52 Aircraft | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

If we think relations with China will not have its own consequences, then I am afraid we are living in a fools paradise as we have always been when we were the darling of the west.

This is PDF, pls break it down into simple English, like:

When strangers give you candies, be careful......

 

[Thorough Pro]

Not sure about the Block 70 but Zulu news was correct. @Zarvan
One thing that specific forum forgot to mention was that Zulus were super stealthy.
They landed in Pakistan about a year ago and since then no one has seen them, even PA is trying to relocate them but has failed so far due to their super stealthy features.

I've read at a specific forum that we are getting around 100 F 16 Block 70 standard which includes new and EDA articles, moreover that zulu have been delivered?????

I mean what is happening??

 

[The Terminator]

If we think relations with China will not have its own consequences, then I am afraid we are living in a fools paradise as we have always been when we were the darling of the west.

Absolutely true. But for now we are tied with China and can't do much about it.

Except diversifying the investment in CPEC through various other friendly countries.

IMHO, we would be offered F-16 upgrades after the induction of JF-17 block 3 and probably J-10C in near future. Because both of them would come with AESA radar and updated avionics and EW suites

 

[The Terminator]

Can you provide a link to those statements?

Sorry I don't have link available now. Perhaps it was an interview series of Air Marshal Rtd. Shahid Lateef with abid Andleeb on youtube. And heard some contradictory, confusing statements after February 2019 air skirmish. It's a bit hard to recall now exactly.

I don't have any link available now. If in future I might find those conversations again then would definitely share with you.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Blacklight]

I have heard in interviews senior PAF officials claiming that JF-17 is capable of firing AMRAAM missiles too!

Sorry I don't have link available now. Perhaps it was an interview series of Air Marshal Rtd. Shahid Lateef with abid Andleeb on youtube. And heard some contradictory, confusing statements after February 2019 air skirmish. It's a bit hard to recall now exactly.

I don't have any link available now. If in future I might find those conversations again then would definitely share with you.

@Raider 21 @SQ8 @The Eagle Just my personal opinion, that JFT cannot fire American AAM. Am I wrong?

 

[TsAr]

@Raider 21 @SQ8 @The Eagle Just my personal opinion, that JFT cannot fire American AAM. Am I wrong?

You are correct....

 

[Metal 0-1]

I have heard in interviews senior PAF officials claiming that JF-17 is capable of firing AMRAAM missiles too!

Not possible and not going happen.

 

[Basel]

The Chinese are favouring multipulse rocket motors over ramjet engines for their long range AAM projects.

Why they are doing it kindly share details.

 

[Raja Porus]

The first batch of falcons...

 

[mingle]

@Raider 21 @SQ8 @The Eagle Just my personal opinion, that JFT cannot fire American AAM. Am I wrong?

We need US permission before mating?

 

[Blacklight]

We need US permission before mating?

Yes

 

[SQ8]

@Raider 21 @SQ8 @The Eagle Just my personal opinion, that JFT cannot fire American AAM. Am I wrong?

Absolutely not - the interface may exist but there are source codes required which are likely(99.98%) not to be released to Pakistan for integration with the Chinese Radar and the FCS.