Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Trailer23]

Indonesia struck deal with France for36 Rafale they are out from F16 line up let's see who is that customer for which LM put second assembly line at Greenville SC

Certainly, not Pakistan.

 

[Sayfullah]

Is it possible PAF can get turkish Gokdogan, Bozdogan and SOM for its f-16s?

 

[Blacklight]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @SQ8 @Tipu7 @LeGenD @The Eagle

I always wondered, what happened to this?

Turkey to modernise Pakistan’s F-16s | The Express Tribune

The upgrade of jets started in the last quarter of 2010 when the first three aircraft were flown to Turkey

tribune.com.pk

May 15, 2016

Turkey has agreed to modernise the Pakistan Air Force’s fleet of F-16s at a cost of $75 million amid the controversy surrounding the purchase of new jets from the United States.

A senior official of the Istanbul-based Foreign Economic Relations Board (DIEK) on Saturday told reporters both countries have struck a deal in an aviation project under which some Pakistani fighter planes have already been flown to Turkey.

 

[Tipu7]

It was the upgrade of F-16 ADF and it was completed by TAI. I don't know the details but the upgrades were not very comprehensive.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @SQ8 @Tipu7 @LeGenD @The Eagle

I always wondered, what happened to this?

Turkey to modernise Pakistan’s F-16s | The Express Tribune

The upgrade of jets started in the last quarter of 2010 when the first three aircraft were flown to Turkey

tribune.com.pk

May 15, 2016

Turkey has agreed to modernise the Pakistan Air Force’s fleet of F-16s at a cost of $75 million amid the controversy surrounding the purchase of new jets from the United States.

A senior official of the Istanbul-based Foreign Economic Relations Board (DIEK) on Saturday told reporters both countries have struck a deal in an aviation project under which some Pakistani fighter planes have already been flown to Turkey.

 

[Indos]

Indonesia struck deal with France for36 Rafale they are out from F16 line up let's see who is that customer for which LM put second assembly line at Greenville SC

Rafale deal is still LOI without any approval from Minister of Finance yet. Our MoF only approved 1.1 billion USD for fighter acquisition until 2024, while France will not proceed any deal if Indonesia buy less than 36 Rafales.

So F 16 V acquisition for 1.1 billion USD deal for Indonesia is still possible..... Although that amount can also be used for F 15 EX

 

[LeGenD]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @SQ8 @Tipu7 @LeGenD @The Eagle

I always wondered, what happened to this?

Turkey to modernise Pakistan’s F-16s | The Express Tribune

The upgrade of jets started in the last quarter of 2010 when the first three aircraft were flown to Turkey

tribune.com.pk

May 15, 2016

Turkey has agreed to modernise the Pakistan Air Force’s fleet of F-16s at a cost of $75 million amid the controversy surrounding the purchase of new jets from the United States.

A senior official of the Istanbul-based Foreign Economic Relations Board (DIEK) on Saturday told reporters both countries have struck a deal in an aviation project under which some Pakistani fighter planes have already been flown to Turkey.

PAF contracted TAI to modernize 41 F-16 A/B Block 15 to MLU (Block 40) standard.

Project Duration = 2010 - 2014
Status = Complete

References

PAF F-16 Modernization - TUSAS

PAF F-16 Modernization

www.tusas.com

TAI will upgrade Pakistan’s F-16 MLU fighters with nighttime capabilities

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF)’s 45 F-16A/B Block-15 Mid-Life Update (MLU) fighters will reportedly be upgraded with optimized nighttime capabilities

quwa.org

 

[Ali_Baba]

Is it possible PAF can get turkish Gokdogan, Bozdogan and SOM for its f-16s?

Would be better off getting them for the JF17 fleet, right? Less Toxic and more stratgegic. - same applies to the new Turkish Jamming Pods. PAF has already added the turkish pods for LGBs, etc.

 

[Metal 0-1]

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F-16A/ADF Fighting Falcon (401)

Interesting. ADF's IFF interrogator antennas are located both on nose and under intake.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[khanasifm]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @SQ8 @Tipu7 @LeGenD @The Eagle

I always wondered, what happened to this?

Turkey to modernise Pakistan’s F-16s | The Express Tribune

The upgrade of jets started in the last quarter of 2010 when the first three aircraft were flown to Turkey

tribune.com.pk

May 15, 2016

Turkey has agreed to modernise the Pakistan Air Force’s fleet of F-16s at a cost of $75 million amid the controversy surrounding the purchase of new jets from the United States.

A senior official of the Istanbul-based Foreign Economic Relations Board (DIEK) on Saturday told reporters both countries have struck a deal in an aviation project under which some Pakistani fighter planes have already been flown to Turkey.

This was all older fleet upgrade with tai charges for services only while LM provided Hardware ans software

Jordanian supplies f-16 were not upgraded as they arrived 13/14 or arrived after original contract for upgrade 2009/10

Unless we see an upgrade contract ans work in 2014/15 onwards which would have been Adv variant upgrade bring them eq to rest of the fleet

 

[ghazi52]

PAF Base Masroor, Karachi -

 

[Sayfullah]

Would be better off getting them for the JF17 fleet, right? Less Toxic and more stratgegic. - same applies to the new Turkish Jamming Pods. PAF has already added the turkish pods for LGBs, etc.

But if we get them for f-16s we won’t need to go for us amraams we can buy Turkish missiles and it’ll be equal to us aim120d. If we get Turkish som for f-16s it’ll give them ability to launch cruise missiles for ground attack and anti ship.
We’ll be less reliant on usa for our f-16s and can use them to their full potential.
We should also get those for jf-17. If we can integrate it on f-16s then we’ll have missiles that can work on both f-16s and jf-17s making logistics easier too. If we order enough maybe turks can give us ToT as well

 

[FuturePAF]

Ok quite possible, any onfo then what is alternative project of PL21 for long range BRV

Perhaps it will come back if the PAF requests and provides some funding. The longest range missile (with the best probability of a hit) that can fit on the JF-17 should be a goal. The “PL-21” could yet be that missile. Also would be a psychological answer (for both sides) to the Meteor.

 

[araz]

But if we get them for f-16s we won’t need to go for us amraams we can buy Turkish missiles and it’ll be equal to us aim120d. If we get Turkish som for f-16s it’ll give them ability to launch cruise missiles for ground attack and anti ship.
We’ll be less reliant on usa for our f-16s and can use them to their full potential.
We should also get those for jf-17. If we can integrate it on f-16s then we’ll have missiles that can work on both f-16s and jf-17s making logistics easier too. If we order enough maybe turks can give us ToT as well

We cannot integrate anything on our F16s due to end user agreements. As to the JFT, their AESA will require Chinese permission and help. There will be other complexities as the Turkish might not allow the Chinese access to their source codes. If this was so easy believe me we would have integrated Amraams on JFT. Lastly we appear to be having an indegenous BVR missile in the pipeworks and should be integrated on to JFT. Ithink this would be a more worthwhile project than just buying from Turkey.
As to SOM missile I feel we have a longer ranged RAAD 2 which will be integrated on JFT. When there are local programmes we do not go and buy from outside.
My thoughts on the matter.
A

 

[Trailer23]

Indonesia struck deal with France for36 Rafale they are out from F16 line up let's see who is that customer for which LM put second assembly line at Greenville SC

- BREAKING NEWS -​

US government clears F-16 sale for PAF

...& no, its not Pakistan. You'd get the feeling that at this point the US would sell F-16's to North Korea before they'd deal with Pakistan.