Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[khanasifm]

Which article, can you plz share

I glanced at it in store did not buy

 

[khanasifm]

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[GriffinsRule]

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Peshawar, Early 1950s, No. 9 Sqn & the Formation of Red Dragons by Fred Isaacs At that point in time the entire RPAF fighter air defense rested on the shoulders of number 5, 9 and 14 squadron pilots based at Peshawar. The wing was commanded by W/C Garred Cole seconded from the RAF In...

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[Talon]

Unlikely we will ever see this type of a loadout in PAF. Its rare even in USAF

What made you say this? Please enlighten us, I would love to hear your reasons for this statement

 

[The Maverick]

They were all modernized in Turkey in just the last few years. A lot of life left in them still. Apart from Rafale there’s nothing in the sub continent to match F16s at the moment.

the only thing standing in the way of 450 su30mki mig29 upg Rafale mirage2000/5
is your fleet of 73 f16.
i always,said break the f16 fleet and India wins air supremacy .
Your jf17 are decent but the f16 is world class period .

 

[Yasser76]

the only thing standing in the way of 450 su30mki mig29 upg Rafale mirage2000/5
is your fleet of 73 f16.
i always,said break the f16 fleet and India wins air supremacy .
Your jf17 are decent but the f16 is world class period .

Feb 27th. This has taught you no lessons at all. F-16s played a part but it was integrated effort of PAF. Even IAF admits this.

For you and the fanboys you sit and make comparisons, that is where you fall down. Even as of now India has only 5 AEW and 6 air refuellers, and no edge in EW.

It's 74 F-16s but hey, you were never good with facts right?

 

[iLION12345_1]

the only thing standing in the way of 450 su30mki mig29 upg Rafale mirage2000/5
is your fleet of 73 f16.
i always,said break the f16 fleet and India wins air supremacy .
Your jf17 are decent but the f16 is world class period .

Your MiG 29s aren’t even as good as our mirages, sit down.
“450” SU30 is the funniest joke I’ve heard in a while. Should be 449 after 27th February though.
where were these mirages and Sukhois and migs when india needed them? Apart from crashed on the ground after getting hit by AMRAAMS. The tool doesn’t matter, it matters how you use it. And india uses its tools rather poorly, losing more aircraft to crashes a year than most airforces operate.

 

[Akatosh]

450” SU30 is the funniest joke I’ve heard in a while.

It's actually 455 4th gen jets.
262 Su-30
21 Rafale
22 Tejas
60 Mig-29
49 Mirage 2000
41 Mig-29K

Should be 449 after 27th February though.
where were these mirages and Sukhois and migs when india needed them? Apart from crashed on the ground after getting hit by AMRAAMS

No Sukhoi got a single scratch on 27-02-2019.
Pakistanis are free to have their own version.

Nonetheless all this is off topic for this thread.

 

[khanasifm]

Iaf rear ended very well let’s
Move on no need to argue

End of story

The whole industry and airforces around the world know what specially Russian were very concerned about their product legacy

There is joke in industry when some one is lazy or delayed on delivery manger day are you trying yo deliver teja or are you working on teja programs ?

What else can I say [emoji38]

 

[The Maverick]

Your MiG 29s aren’t even as good as our mirages, sit down.
“450” SU30 is the funniest joke I’ve heard in a while. Should be 449 after 27th February though.
where were these mirages and Sukhois and migs when india needed them? Apart from crashed on the ground after getting hit by AMRAAMS. The tool doesn’t matter, it matters how you use it. And india uses its tools rather poorly, losing more aircraft to crashes a year than most airforces operate.

When you dissect it further it gets even worse .

of the 73 F16 only 18 are block 52
The remaining 55 are upgraded block 15 F16s . yes they have been upgraded to block 50 but are not as capable as the block 52. The 55 F16 carry the APG66 radar which is far inferior to APG68 and the MLU F16 carry no HOBS missles . Max range of detection on APG66 is half that of APG68 and half of the numbers of targets.

This is why the 30 block 3 thunders will be far superior with Aesa radar and new generation BVRS. But these are 2 years late and first example arrive 2022.

You cant afford to get complacent just on a 1 hour skirmish which was hit and run excercise.

A fullscale war with S400 barak hundreds of mki fighters cold swamp the PAF fleet on paper at least

You would run out of fuel and missles and have broken down planes bases and infrastructure left right and centre

 

[HRK]

A fullscale war with S400 barak hundreds of mki fighters cold swamp the PAF fleet on paper at least

beautifully summarise the whole thinking of Indian Nation against us since the acquisition of Su-30MKI ....

You would run out of fuel and missles and have broken down planes bases and infrastructure left right and centre

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

A dream generation after generation of India have died seeing but none see it coming true ..... but another turd with firm believe on this is posting it here .... who of course would die in same manner like those who were also dreaming about our end like this ......

 

[Scorpiooo]

When you dissect it further it gets even worse .

of the 73 F16 only 18 are block 52
The remaining 55 are upgraded block 15 F16s . yes they have been upgraded to block 50 but are not as capable as the block 52. The 55 F16 carry the APG66 radar which is far inferior to APG68 and the MLU F16 carry no HOBS missles . Max range of detection on APG66 is half that of APG68 and half of the numbers of targets.

This is why the 30 block 3 thunders will be far superior with Aesa radar and new generation BVRS. But these are 2 years late and first example arrive 2022.

You cant afford to get complacent just on a 1 hour skirmish which was hit and run excercise.

A fullscale war with S400 barak hundreds of mki fighters cold swamp the PAF fleet on paper at least

You would run out of fuel and missles and have broken down planes bases and infrastructure left right and centre

I am afraid with dought that even in future indian S400 and other defense system destroys own fighter’s within indian territory before they become PAF targets... ..
best self distractions force in world

 

[Yasser76]

PAC churning out JF-17s like hot cakes, these will be equipped with AESA and PL-15. Around 200 of them.
Add 74 F-16s.

IAF has no counter to the PL-15, not even Meteor.

Pakistan forging ahead in EW, AI and drones.

Next Feb 27trh will be even worse for you.

When you dissect it further it gets even worse .

of the 73 F16 only 18 are block 52
The remaining 55 are upgraded block 15 F16s . yes they have been upgraded to block 50 but are not as capable as the block 52. The 55 F16 carry the APG66 radar which is far inferior to APG68 and the MLU F16 carry no HOBS missles . Max range of detection on APG66 is half that of APG68 and half of the numbers of targets.

This is why the 30 block 3 thunders will be far superior with Aesa radar and new generation BVRS. But these are 2 years late and first example arrive 2022.

You cant afford to get complacent just on a 1 hour skirmish which was hit and run excercise.

A fullscale war with S400 barak hundreds of mki fighters cold swamp the PAF fleet on paper at least

You would run out of fuel and missles and have broken down planes bases and infrastructure left right and centre

The point is in that "1 hour skirmish" the IAF failed to find and counter the PAF. The PAF succesfully found the IAF, jammed them, then shot them out the sky. The actual aircraft types (Mirages, SU-30, MIG-21s) were irrelevant. It was the men, training, information dominance and networking that won the "1 hour skirmish". These are areas that decide wars. Of course you guys can just sit and look at new shiny planes the French are ripping you off for and think all is well. Genuinely my biggest wish is that you, Indians and IAF maintain this mindset, such a mindset is one of Pakistan's biggest allies.

 

[Scorpiooo]

PAC churning out JF-17s like hot cakes, these will be equipped with AESA and PL-15. Around 200 of them.
Add 74 F-16s.

IAF has no counter to the PL-15, not even Meteor.

Pakistan forging ahead in EW, AI and drones.

Next Feb 27trh will be even worse for you.


The point is in that "1 hour skirmish" the IAF failed to find and counter the PAF. The PAF succesfully found the IAF, jammed them, then shot them out the sky. The actual aircraft types (Mirages, SU-30, MIG-21s) were irrelevant. It was the men, training, information dominance and networking that won the "1 hour skirmish". These are areas that decide wars. Of course you guys can just sit and look at new shiny planes the French are ripping you off for and think all is well. Genuinely my biggest wish is that you, Indians and IAF maintain this mindset, such a mindset is one of Pakistan's biggest allies.

Plus any additional F16 block 70 or V standard (if we somehow able to get) will give additional punch to PAF fleet.
If we are also able to get AIM-120C7 (likely) atleast or may be D (difficult), it will be power punch along with PL15 in BRVs

 

[Yasser76]

Plus any additional F16 block 70 or V standard will give additional punch to PAF
If we able to get AIM-120C7 or may be D , it will be power punch along with PL15 in BRVs

It's not just that, Indians are masters of trying to fight the last war. They really think in 10 years we will be content with AMRAAMS and F-16s, that is what they are planing for.

PAF sees itself in 10 years as moving on a generation. Cyber, AI, Networking and stealth may well mean IAF Rafales flying blind and being blastes out of the sky like IAF MIG-21s were. Their lack on investment in critical capabilities is shocking. They even needed UAE/French refuellers for the ferry flight for their Rafs.

SU-30 is early 90's tech, they think this can cope with AESA/PL-15 combo.

Guys live on a fantasy world.