Pakistan eyes Chinese jets to counter IAF dominance

[帅的一匹]

Paisa bhai Paisa. Even if you take a loan how are you going to return the money. Unless economy improves nothing is going to happen. Remember the times of Musharraf when everyone was calling Pakistan the new emerging economical powerhouse and I wrote to the contrary even then PAF did not go for any twin-engined crafts opting for more 16s. Now you want two twin engine platforms. I say it is unlikely .
Araz

I don't think Russia will sell Su 35 to PAF, India will cut off all the deals with Russia if they do it.

 

[black-hawk_101]

I think PAF is looking towards J-31s.... and may be license production?

 

[Beast]

I don't think Russia will sell Su 35 to PAF, India will cut off all the deals with Russia if they do it.

Its India that needs Russia more. India is not super rich country. She cannot everything westernised weapons. Plus Western countries are less willing for ToT than Russian. India can't do it in the next 10 years. But after 10 years, who knows?

 

[帅的一匹]

Its India that needs Russia more. India is not super rich country. She cannot everything westernised weapons. Plus Western countries are less willing for ToT than Russian. India can't do it in the next 10 years. But after 10 years, who knows?

Russia need India's money, Pakistan can't provide the same purchasing power of India. Russia will not offend India for Pakistan. Rusky is very realistic.

 

[Beast]

Russia need India's money, Pakistan can't provide the same purchasing power of India. Russia will not offend India for Pakistan. Rusky is very realistic.

The real money will comes in from the USD 400billion energy deal that signed with China. Energy deal equals to 50% of Russia annual income. That is why Russia cannot afford to offend China and allow re export to Pakistan RD-93 engine upon request by China. Russia has just signed a new military deal with Pakistan that allows direct dealing. Russia has long pissed by Indians betrayal when they decide to buy more western arms. Now Indian biggest arm import from USA and not Russia anymore. Unless India promised Russia they will not buy more arms from US which is impossible.

 

[OTTOMAN]

You should not be shocked by human imagination.

Its not pure imagination, it was planned during Musharraf era... that was the time when JF-17 program's development was going at blitzkering pace.
Later JF-17 development faced financial drought, which lead to various setbacks.

 

[SQ8]

Its not pure imagination, it was planned during Musharraf era... that was the time when JF-17 program's development was going at blitzkering pace.
Later JF-17 development faced financial drought, which lead to various setbacks.

No it wasnt. Not sure where your imagination came up with that one.

 

[MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n]

are there any plans in P.a.f. about how to counter the indian rafel's acquisiton ?

 

[OTTOMAN]

No it wasnt. Not sure where your imagination came up with that one.

 

[Viper0011.]

Russia need India's money, Pakistan can't provide the same purchasing power of India. Russia will not offend India for Pakistan. Rusky is very realistic.

This assumption is a part of the past. Everyone, including the Chinese are also looking at a 200 million people lucrative market called Pakistan (6th largest populated country with above average IQ, just like India, China, etc BUT with 50% population as youth, below 25 years old).

As soon as the Pakistanis restore stability and peace, you'll see almost all major industrial countries jumping on the opportunity to invest and do business with one of the faster growing economies over the next 20-30 years. The Russians are smart, they know they can get $ 5-10 Billion a year worth of defense business from Pakistan (once the growth starts in about 3 years). They know that they need to jump on the ship while Pakistan is in the hour of need, so to establish good will. The trade relationship between Pakistan and Russia will have surpassed $ 10-15 billion annually by 2025.

Pakistan will soon become a country where there is significant profit in pretty much every industrial area. Unlike China and India, where cost of labor and living have gone way up, reducing profit margins, the Pakistani market offers super high profitability for the next 20 years to come as its just starting out.

Welcome to a to-be-soon peaceful and modern country called Pakistan, strategically located in the middle of 50% of the global population, connected through road (soon), railways (soon), ships and airways (a normal 2-8 hour long flight between the entire Asia, Europe and the ME) and where there is business opportunity in almost every industry. Just 3 peaceful years and a LOT of tables will turn towards Pakistan.

 

[帅的一匹]

This assumption is a part of the past. Everyone, including the Chinese are also looking at a 200 million people lucrative market called Pakistan (6th largest populated country with above average IQ, just like India, China, etc BUT with 50% population as youth, below 25 years old).

As soon as the Pakistanis restore stability and peace, you'll see almost all major industrial countries jumping on the opportunity to invest and do business with one of the faster growing economies over the next 20-30 years. The Russians are smart, they know they can get $ 5-10 Billion a year worth of defense business from Pakistan (once the growth starts in about 3 years). They know that they need to jump on the ship while Pakistan is in the hour of need, so to establish good will. The trade relationship between Pakistan and Russia will have surpassed $ 10-15 billion annually by 2025.

Pakistan will soon become a country where there is significant profit in pretty much every industrial area. Unlike China and India, where cost of labor and living have gone way up, reducing profit margins, the Pakistani market offers super high profitability for the next 20 years to come as its just starting out.

Welcome to a to-be-soon peaceful and modern country called Pakistan, strategically located in the middle of 50% of the global population, connected through road (soon), railways (soon), ships and airways (a normal 2-8 hour long flight between the entire Asia, Europe and the ME) and where there is business opportunity in almost every industry. Just 3 peaceful years and a LOT of tables will turn towards Pakistan.

India and Russia are strategically partnership, they will not sacrifice India for Pakistan. never expect Rusky that generous as China when it comes to provide weapons to Pakistan. Russian is a potential leverage to use by Pakistan, not a true friend.

Rusky is snakes. In 1962 they instigated and sponsored India attacking China. And they instigated Vietnam worked against China in 1970s. Now they had started their tentacles to Pakistan.

 

[Viper0011.]

India and Russia are strategically partnership, they will not sacrifice India for Pakistan. never expect Rusky that generous as China when it comes to provide weapons to Pakistan..

1) Believe it or not, Russia is no longer a strategic ally of India anymore. They do a LOT of business together from a defense standpoint without any strings attached. Ruskies like cash, you give it to them, they'll become your ally tomorrow. India is working very hard to be self sufficient with its defense acquisitions. Russians will have a marginal role in providing India with defense related items in the next 7-10 years. India wants to produce everything by itself and now they have the money to do so too.

2) The Russians are not sacrificing India for anyone. They've also had that discussion a few times. The question back to India was, if they can let go of the Howitzers, Apaches and P-8's, Ruskies will cut Pakistan off. Well, that ain't happening so both agreed to stay in partnership and still do business with others. Welcome to the new world.

3) Russians aren't generous, I never said that. They are just smart businessmen like the French when it comes to hard cash. Chinese on the other hand, are generous towards Pakistan, and actually have the MOST strategic relationship with Pakistan. Wasn't it one of your premier who, just a year or so ago said "Pakistan is our Israel"?? There is a reason why that anthem is repeated about Pakistan - China friendship, like taller than the Himalayas and sweeter than sugar, etc?

 

[帅的一匹]

Soviet is more evil than USA, at least USA support Pakistan in it's tough time.

1) Believe it or not, Russia is no longer a strategic ally of India anymore. They do a LOT of business together from a defense standpoint without any strings attached. Ruskies like cash, you give it to them, they'll become your ally tomorrow. India is working very hard to be self sufficient with its defense acquisitions. Russians will have a marginal role in providing India with defense related items in the next 7-10 years. India wants to produce everything by itself and now they have the money to do so too.

2) The Russians are not sacrificing India for anyone. They've also had that discussion a few times. The question back to India was, if they can let go of the Howitzers, Apaches and P-8's, Ruskies will cut Pakistan off. Well, that ain't happening so both agreed to stay in partnership and still do business with others. Welcome to the new world.

3) Russians aren't generous, I never said that. They are just smart businessmen like the French when it comes to hard cash. Chinese on the other hand, are generous towards Pakistan, and actually have the MOST strategic relationship with Pakistan. Wasn't it one of your premier who, just a year or so ago said "Pakistan is our Israel"?? There is a reason why that anthem is repeated about Pakistan - China friendship, like taller than the Himalayas and sweeter than sugar, etc?

sure Pakistan is China's Israel. we called the friendship iron cause it's unbeatable.

anyway, it sure will piss Indians off if Pakistan and Russia get closer. Russia desperately need some new market as India is turning table to USA. see in the coming years Rusky will will compete with China in Pakistan weapon market.

China and Russia sighed a deal of 400 billions on Gas, which is the only reason why they are not going down the drain now.

if China pay say 40 billions USD as advance payment, pressure released.

China will help Russia in the crisis now, hope they will pay back in someway.

 

[SipahSalar]

Keep hearing of these buyers of jf 17 since years but not a single jet sold so far.

 

[帅的一匹]

Keep hearing of these buyers of jf 17 since years but not a single jet sold so far.

Maybe they are waiting the engines.