Pakistan decides to carry out 'Surgical Strikes' against the Taliban.

[janon]

Not really.. The mode of help that US provides or the intensity of the problem faced by India and Pakistan may be different, but the basic underlying decision is the same. Does one allow a foreign country's military to operate in yours to do your dirty work..

As I said - utility over idealism. Should Pak lose many of its soldiers and civilians (a lot more than they have lost already), by not allowing the US to kill the terrorists' leadership? Should they value lives, or abstractions like sovereignity?

 

[Kompromat]

Your hypothetical is so far from possibility as to negate any meaning.

I am sure, i made my point sir.

As I said - utility over idealism. Should Pak lose many of its soldiers and civilians (a lot more than they have lost already), by not allowing the US to kill the terrorists' leadership? Should they value lives, or abstractions like sovereignity?

US's interest is to keep Pakistan fighting while it makes peace for itself.

 

[janon]

The same difference if we were carrying out drone strikes in Texas while occupying Mexico.

It would be an apt comparison if Texas was full of jihadis and mujahids who kill thousands of Americans, and threaten the very existence and sovereignity of USA. And if the US was lacking game changing technology that only Pak possesses to deal with the said (hypothetical) jihadis.

US's interest is to keep Pakistan fighting while it makes peace for itself.

How does Pakistan continuing to fight serve US interests?

 

[karan.1970]

As I said - utility over idealism. Should Pak lose many of its soldiers and civilians (a lot more than they have lost already), by not allowing the US to kill the terrorists' leadership? Should they value lives, or abstractions like sovereignity?

France could have applied the same logic to the German invasion and rolled over.. Or India and Pakistan could apply the same logic to Kashmir.. To your last question, every single nation today will (without fail) value sovereignty more than lives

 

[janon]

France could have applied the same logic to the German invasion and rolled over.. Or India and Pakistan could apply the same logic to Kashmir.. To your last question, every single nation today will (without fail) value sovereignty more than lives

Umm...you do remember that France welcomed the biggest foreign amphibious invasion ever, onto its soil to get rid of Germans from their soil, right? According to your logic, should they have protested and complained about the allied invasion of Normandy, since foreigners were coming to their soil to kill their enemies?

 

[karan.1970]

Umm...you do remember that France welcomed the biggest foreign amphibious invasion ever, onto its soil to get rid of Germans from their soil, right? According to your logic, should they have protested and complained about the allied invasion f Normandy, since foreigners were coming to their soil to kill their enemies?

Well, that was more like East Pakistani welcoming Indians in 1971... And theoretically, France asked for that help. It wasn't without their public support.

 

[janon]

Well, that was more like East Pakistani welcoming Indians in 1971... And theoretically, France asked for that help. It wasn't without their public support.

And why did they ask for help, instead of opposing foreign help? In this case, there aren't even American boots on the ground. (Not uniformed ones anyway...plainclothed CIA operatives and SAD maybe.) But the drones have accomplished a lot more than Pak could, in decimating their enemies.

Also, are you sure the Pak military does not secretly ask for help?

 

[karan.1970]

And why did they ask for help, instead of opposing foreign help? In this case, there aren't even American boots on the ground. (Not uniformed ones anyway...plainclothed CIA operatives and SAD maybe.) But the drones have accomplished a lot more than Pak could, in decimating their enemies.

Also, are you sure the Pak military does not secretly ask for help?

Nothing wrong in asking for help... And USA is going after its own enemies rather than the enemies of Pakistan. And PA asking for help secretly is a red herring.. They are not authorised to ask for this help without an approval from civilian govt

 

[janon]

Nothing wrong in asking for help... And USA is going after its own enemies rather than the enemies of Pakistan. And PA asking for help secretly is a red herring.. They are not authorised to ask for this help without an approval from civilian govt

Umm...It wouldn't be the first time that PA did something without civilian authorization, would it?

 

[karan.1970]

Umm...It wouldn't be the first time that PA did something without civilian authorization, would it?

and we all know how each of those went down

 

[M.AsfandYar]

So, what is so different from USA drone strikes that have been so heavily criticized here on the PDF??

Are you really asking that?

 

[tarrar]

The only place where full scale Military operation can be launched is in Balochistan province because of rented terrorism & 100% Indian support to the rented terrorists. Balochistan province is becoming worse everyday & some big steps needs to be taken to solve this & that to for once & for all. Balochistan province was well managed by Gen. Musharraf & many people were happy.

Surgical Stikes should continue against rented TTP & their back needs to be broken.

 

[Crypto]

The same difference if we were carrying out drone strikes in Texas while occupying Mexico.

O master, teach me your witty ways

 

[airpower183]

Congratulation Pakistan, hope you continue to learn the language of terrorist.

If you need any further tuition on this new language, I'm sure our defence secretary wouldn't mind giving a couple lessons free of charge.

Screw 'surgical strikes' These stone age cave men need to be decimated with spectacular force and fire power.

These rag tags better learn to love the smell of Napalm in the morning.

 

[CENTCOM]

We stand by the government of Pakistan in its fight against insurgency. We share a common stance against terrorism and wish to see peace prevail throughout the region. At the same time, we want to make it clear that it is up to Pakistan whether to take military action against the terrorists or to hold peace talks with them. We repeat what U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan Richard G. Olson said recently: “The United States and Pakistan continue to have a vital, shared strategic interest in ending extremist violence so as to build a more prosperous, stable and peaceful region, but Pakistan has to make its own decisions for a secure country.”

Ali Khan
DET, United States Central Command