Pakistan, China submarine deal in final stage: minister

[Blue Marlin]

BEIJING - Minister for Defence Khawaja Muhammad Asif has said that Pakistan has eliminated all members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) – a Uighur militant group – from its territory, but must remain vigilant to ensure they don’t return.


“We believe they’re all eliminated,”he told journalists on the sidelines of a security forum. “I think there (were) a small number in tribal areas, they’re all gone or eliminated. They are no more there,” he said. It is just as much in Pakistan’s interests as China’s to fight militants, the minister said.


He denied that there was any difference of opinion between Islamabad and Beijing on Pakistan’s efforts to tackle the problem.“The fight against ETIM is our own fight. It’s not only China’s fight. It’s a joint fight against ETIM, so there is absolutely no difference of opinion on the elimination of this group from our areas,” he added.


“We have to be vigilant for a long-time that this menacedoes not return,” he said. Pakistan and China call each other all-weather friends and their close ties have been underpinned by long-standing wariness of their common neighbour, India, and a desire to hedge against the US influence across the region.


Both Islamabad and Beijing are getting ready to finalise a deal for China to sell eight submarines to Pakistan, Asif said in what could be one of Chinese largest overseas weapons sales once it is signed. “It’s moving smoothly, it’s going ahead,” he said. “We are at the final stage. I think it won’t take very long,” he said.

Pakistan, China submarine deal in final stage: minister

 

[Basel]

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BEIJING - Minister for Defence Khawaja Muhammad Asif has said that Pakistan has eliminated all members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) – a Uighur militant group – from its territory, but must remain vigilant to ensure they don’t return.


“We believe they’re all eliminated,”he told journalists on the sidelines of a security forum. “I think there (were) a small number in tribal areas, they’re all gone or eliminated. They are no more there,” he said. It is just as much in Pakistan’s interests as China’s to fight militants, the minister said.


He denied that there was any difference of opinion between Islamabad and Beijing on Pakistan’s efforts to tackle the problem.“The fight against ETIM is our own fight. It’s not only China’s fight. It’s a joint fight against ETIM, so there is absolutely no difference of opinion on the elimination of this group from our areas,” he added.


“We have to be vigilant for a long-time that this menacedoes not return,” he said. Pakistan and China call each other all-weather friends and their close ties have been underpinned by long-standing wariness of their common neighbour, India, and a desire to hedge against the US influence across the region.


Both Islamabad and Beijing are getting ready to finalise a deal for China to sell eight submarines to Pakistan, Asif said in what could be one of Chinese largest overseas weapons sales once it is signed. “It’s moving smoothly, it’s going ahead,” he said. “We are at the final stage. I think it won’t take very long,” he said.

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Why opened new thread?? When already many threads running on same topic.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Why opened new thread?? When already many threads running on same topic.

since everybody's opening new threads and mods/admins are not listening.

i thought, "well if you cant beat them, join them!"

 

[FuturePAF]

If Pakistan Splits the deal for 8 Conventional Quiet AIP Equipped Submarines; 2 Per Block; 4 blocks
First 2 Blocks Both Just attack Boats, with the next 3 blocks as 1 attack and 1 Second Strike Boats; allowing Pakistan to build up quality over time, especially the second strike boats

if Pakistan does it this way, it would have time to develop a two stage 1 meter diameter missile to arm those boats; and if it fields even 8-10 missile per its 3 second strike boats, it would be a potent but minimally credible second strike deterrent naval force

the designs should evolve, following the model in the japanese naval modernization where submarines are build in blocks and improved with each batch, and the older batches brought up to the latest batches standard quickly thereafter.

If Pakistan limits its missile to only 1200km ; and keeps its submarines out of the red sea, it can keep the submarines india-specific

1 meter in diameter and only 7 or 8 meters in length could allow 8 to 10 to fit in a modestly larger version of the attack conventional submarine being proposed

 

[Dungeness]

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BEIJING - Minister for Defence Khawaja Muhammad Asif has said that Pakistan has eliminated all members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) – a Uighur militant group – from its territory, but must remain vigilant to ensure they don’t return.


“We believe they’re all eliminated,”he told journalists on the sidelines of a security forum. “I think there (were) a small number in tribal areas, they’re all gone or eliminated. They are no more there,” he said. It is just as much in Pakistan’s interests as China’s to fight militants, the minister said.


He denied that there was any difference of opinion between Islamabad and Beijing on Pakistan’s efforts to tackle the problem.“The fight against ETIM is our own fight. It’s not only China’s fight. It’s a joint fight against ETIM, so there is absolutely no difference of opinion on the elimination of this group from our areas,” he added.


“We have to be vigilant for a long-time that this menacedoes not return,” he said. Pakistan and China call each other all-weather friends and their close ties have been underpinned by long-standing wariness of their common neighbour, India, and a desire to hedge against the US influence across the region.


Both Islamabad and Beijing are getting ready to finalise a deal for China to sell eight submarines to Pakistan, Asif said in what could be one of Chinese largest overseas weapons sales once it is signed. “It’s moving smoothly, it’s going ahead,” he said. “We are at the final stage. I think it won’t take very long,” he said.

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Just wondering how many of these subs will be built in Pakistan. It would be better if China and Pakistan can work together and build the majority of them in Pakistan facilities, so Pakistan military complex will be actually benefited from China's technical know-how and eventually develops its own military industries. Just like how USSR helped China in 1950s.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Just wondering how many of these subs will be built in Pakistan. It would be better if China and Pakistan can work together and build the majority of them in Pakistan facilities, so Pakistan military complex will be actually benefited from China's technical know-how and eventually develops its own military industries. Just like how USSR helped China in 1950s.

According to news, 4 built in PK, the other 4 in CN.
China to build four submarines in Karachi - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[Blue Marlin]

Just wondering how many of these subs will be built in Pakistan. It would be better if China and Pakistan can work together and build the majority of them in Pakistan facilities, so Pakistan military complex will be actually benefited from China's technical know-how and eventually develops its own military industries. Just like how USSR helped China in 1950s.

I'm sure a quick internet search will give you the answer you seek.
thankyou @Shotgunner51 for answering.

 

[Shotgunner51]

I'm sure a quick internet search will give you the answer you seek.
thankyou @Shotgunner51 for answering.

You are welcome. (What's about your China flag?)
I have been following this sale for quite some time, so might as well respond to @Dungeness while I am at it.
I am wondering if there is any major spec difference between the two batches i.e. say the 4 built in PK are equipped with LACM (Babur, while the 4 built in CN are normal SSK?

 

[Dungeness]

I'm sure a quick internet search will give you the answer you seek.
thankyou @Shotgunner51 for answering.

I just wanted to state my wish.

According to news, 4 built in PK, the other 4 in CN.
China to build four submarines in Karachi - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Thanks. To be honest, I wish we can build 6 or more in Pakistan. I do not want to see Pakistan following India's foot steps of building military "industries" by SDK .

 

[I S I]

This submarine looks tidy.

Why didn't we opted for Jin class submarine?

China's Newest Type 094 Jin Class Submarines

 

[Dungeness]

Why didn't we opted for Jin submarine?

China's Newest Type 094 Jin Class Submarines


This submarine looks tidy.

That is a different game entirely.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Why didn't we opted for Jin submarine?
China's Newest Type 094 Jin Class Submarines
This submarine looks tidy.

Well bro probably SSBN is a bit more sensitive, moreover it's about what it carries i.e. ICBM, now that's something very different. As @Dungeness suggested, the issue is not exactly technical, but of geo-strategic level i.e. Nuclear Doctrine of Pakistan.

 

[monitor]

Why opened new thread?? When already many threads running on same topic.

many thread opened yet one question has not yet any definite answer which type submarine Pakistan is going to buy .

 

[Basel]

many thread opened yet one question has not yet any definite answer which type submarine Pakistan is going to buy .

It seems due to some reasons Pakistan don't want to disclose details of submarine deal.

 

[Blue Marlin]

You are welcome. (What's about your China flag?)
I have been following this sale for quite some time, so might as well respond to @Dungeness while I am at it.
I am wondering if there is any major spec difference between the two batches i.e. say the 4 built in PK are equipped with LACM (Babur, while the 4 built in CN are normal SSK?

im in china for two weeks so thought i may as well change the flag, its a trip as im learning chinese, knowing china and the knowing and understanding the culture. the only thing i can think of is that pakistani subs may contain its own C&C's for possible nuclear weapons deployment. i know much about pakistans military, quiet alot if im honest, thats because i know my way in pakistan as i have friends there who sort me out. i want to do the same in china.

This submarine looks tidy.

Why didn't we opted for Jin class submarine?

China's Newest Type 094 Jin Class Submarines

good question. pakistan is waiting for the 110000 tonne nuclear powered aircraft carrier first, then the type 94 comes next.