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Pakistan caught between Iran and Saudi rivarly

Little mistake, it would be Saudi Arabia, not UAE. UAE just demanded Pakistan doesn't force Americans to leave Shamsi airbase after killing 26 soldiers.

BBC News - Pakistan anger over release of CIA killer Raymond Davis
If indeed that happened it would be very shameful. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised. I can't imagine our government refusing to hand over a CIA agent who just killed two citizens. I understand why we need to be close with the US but sometimes we allow(like Pakistan) for them to cross the line.
Anyway, nice to meet you. I like your argument style. Quite different than existing Saudi members
likewise:cheers:
 
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Not all Sunnis are Wahhabis.

For example, most of Muslims in China are Sunni followers, but they strongly reject the Wahhabism, while maintaining a good relationship with the Shia Tajiks.

Sallam ...
I didn't talk about Sunnis , I talk about Wahhabis , In Iran we don't consider Wahhabis as Sunnis !!!

Brother I am Sunni but all of us adore our founder and father Quaid-e-Azam who was a Shia. You should encourage Iranians to encourage their govt to come closer to us

well , I have respect toward pakistani and I have no intention to lying you , so I saying my view , ( please don't become angry , after all most of us are mature )

Unfortunately , bad news coming from Pakistan , the last news was about Wahhabis and their so called "Sepah Sahhabe" murdering some peoples because they was Shiia ... and your army and your ISI didn't and wouldn't do anything to stop these sallafi groups , so some Iranian haven't good idea about your government , army and security organization ...

IMO your government and army already fall to Saudis hand and if thing going like this , you should prepared yourselves for a civil war ....

as an Iranian I can see your direction and I really don't like it .... after all we have our concerns ...

I should add that an independent , strong and stable pakistan is good news for us , but ....
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I know, after this post some Wahhabis and Anti Iranian coming and use this post against us , but , I can't lying to other Muslims .... lying is Harram ...
 
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Sallam ...
I didn't talk about Sunnis , I talk about Wahhabis , In Iran we don't consider Wahhabis as Sunnis !!!



well , I have respect toward pakistani and I have no intention to lying you , so I saying my view , ( please don't become angry , after all most of us are mature )

Unfortunately , bad news coming from Pakistan , the last news was about Wahhabis and their so called "Sepah Sahhabe" murdering some peoples because they was Shiia ... and your army and your ISI didn't and wouldn't do anything to stop these sallafi groups , so some Iranian haven't good idea about your government , army and security organization ...

IMO your government and army already fall to Saudis hand and if thing going like this , you should prepared yourselves for a civil war ....

as an Iranian I can see your direction and I really don't like it .... after all we have our concerns ...

I should add that an independent , strong and stable pakistan is good news for us , but ....
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I know, after this post some Wahhabis and Anti Iranian coming and use this post against us , but , I can't lying to other Muslims .... lying is Harram ...

ALL is true
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Well, atleast our nationals werent involved in hijacking planes and massacring thousands of civilians. Btw, Sardar Jafari is a warrior !


Yep they like to play it officially with the Shabih of Bashar Al Haiwan.

Yep, we learned the terrorizing and intimidation tactics from the best of the best

Methods of converting Iran

Ismail consolidated his rule over the country and launched a thorough and at times brutal campaign to convert the majority Sunni population to Twelver Shiism and thus transform the religious landscape of Iran.[14] His methods of converting Iran included:


 Imposing Shiism as the state and mandatory religion for the whole nation and much forcible conversions of Iranian Sufi Sunnis to Shiism.

 He reintroduced the Sadr (Arabic, leader) – an office that was responsible for supervising religious institutions and endowments. With a view to transforming Iran into a Shiite state, the Sadr was also assigned the task of disseminating Twelver doctrine

 He destroyed Sunni mosques. This was even noted by Tomé Pires, the Portuguese ambassador to China who visited Iran in 1511–12, who when referring to Ismail noted: "He (i.e. Ismail) reforms our churches, destroys the houses of all Moors who follow (the Sunnah of) Muhammad…"[19]

 He enforced the ritual and compulsory cursing of the first three Sunni Caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman) as usurpers, from all mosques, disbanded Sunni Tariqahs and seized their assets, used state patronage to develop Shia shrines, institutions and religious art and imported Shia scholars to replace Sunni scholars.[20][21][22]

 He shed Sunni blood and destroyed and desecrated the graves and mosques of Sunnis. This caused the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II (who initially congratulated Ismail on his victories) to advise and ask the young monarch (in a “fatherly” manner) to stop the anti-Sunni actions. However, Ismail was strongly anti-Sunni, ignored the Sultan's warning, and continued to spread the Shia faith by the sword.[23][24]

 He persecuted, imprisoned and executed stubbornly resistant Sunnis.[25][26]

 With the establishment of Safavid rule, there was a very raucous and colourful, almost carnival-like holiday on 26 Dhu al-Hijjah (or alternatively, 9 Rabi' al-awwal) celebrating the murder of Caliph Umar. The highlight of the day was making an effigy of Umar to be cursed, insulted, and finally burned. However, as relations between Iran and Sunni countries improved, the holiday was no longer observed (at least officially).[27]

 In 1501 Ismail invited all the Shia living outside Iran to come to Iran and be assured of protection from the Sunni majority.[28]

Sallam ...
I didn't talk about Sunnis , I talk about Wahhabis , In Iran we don't consider Wahhabis as Sunnis !!!

Wahabi is not a sect but a derogatory term. If your mind is unwilling to accept that then it simply means inciting sectarianism on purpose which I will not be too surprised to find out.
 
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Yep they like to play it officially with the Shabih of Bashar Al Haiwan.

Yep, we learned the terrorizing and intimidation tactics from the best of the best





Wahabi is not a sect but a derogatory term. If your mind is unwilling to accept that then it simply means inciting sectarianism on purpose which I will not be too surprised to find out.

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No Idea !!!
 
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The Iranian tactic to "De-islamize" Saudi Arabia and Saudis in these recent posts are very clear. It is all part of the Iranian tactic to be the "Leader of the Muslim world". This is so easy to see here just by reading it.

Again you guys keep saying "Wahhabi" "Wahhabi" can any of you please tell me WHAT IS A WAHHABI?? and how do you differentiate a wahhabi from non-wahhabi??
 
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The Iranian tactic to "De-islamize" Saudi Arabia and Saudis in these recent posts are very clear. It is all part of the Iranian tactic to be the "Leader of the Muslim world". This is so easy to see here just by reading it.

Again you guys keep saying "Wahhabi" "Wahhabi" can any of you please tell me WHAT IS A WAHHABI?? and how do you differentiate a wahhabi from non-wahhabi??

Its more to do about inventing lies upon the contender if you cannot defeat them in civil manner. They do it all the time. It does have an effect on an average joe to change his opinion but the educated and well informed do not fall for these tactics.
What ever Saudi Arabia is doing on the global political stage is going in right direction, these people are just frustrated because the noose is tightening around their neck and their antics will come an end very soon.
 
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The Iranian tactic to "De-islamize" Saudi Arabia and Saudis in these recent posts are very clear. It is all part of the Iranian tactic to be the "Leader of the Muslim world". This is so easy to see here just by reading it.

Again you guys keep saying "Wahhabi" "Wahhabi" can any of you please tell me WHAT IS A WAHHABI?? and how do you differentiate a wahhabi from non-wahhabi??


Wahhabi: a member of a strictly orthodox Sunni Muslim sect from Saudi Arabia; strives to purify Islamic beliefs and rejects any innovation occurring after the 3rd century of Islam; "Osama bin Laden is said to be a Wahhabi Muslim"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn



Wahhabi (Al-Wahhābīyya الوهابية) or Wahhabism is a conservative Sunni Islamic sect based on the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, an 18th century scholar from what is today known as Saudi Arabia, who advocated to purge Islam of what he considered innovations in Islam. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahabi

what is wahabi - Google Search

I don't understand why are all Saudi members ashamed to admit what they know very well.:enjoy:
 
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what is wahabi - Google Search

I don't understand why are all Saudi members ashamed to admit what they know very well.:enjoy:

Tell me one person who says that they are "Wahhabi" Shias say they are Shia. Sunnis say they are Sunnis. And again tell me what is the practice of those called "Wahhabis" that distinguishes them from the rest of Muslims??
 
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Offical Shia and SUnni schools of thought.

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The Iranian/Western made up words that they have both conspired to make with the ultimate goal of sewing discord between Muslims will not work. We are brothers even if they west/Iran tries its best to make it seem otherwise.
 
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The Iranian/Western made up words that they have both conspired to make with the ultimate goal of sewing discord between Muslims will not work. We are brothers even if they west/Iran tries its best to make it seem otherwise.

start it with yourself :coffee:
 
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Stop flattering me. Sadly no offence but your limited education and intellectual capacity limits our discussion. In this world that we live it is very complicated just think of the butterfly effect and random theory go Google its on Wikipedia if you are not familiar with it. There are so many actors you need to take into account that you are failing to grasp

sadly, since u saw ur logic is wrong and didnot have an answer u turned to personal attacks and as always i don't respond to them.

A brief about myself, i m boycotting our next door neighbor since it is almost now 20 years ( anything that is made in india i don't buy). since the day u.s decided to attack directly afghanistan i stopped buying u.s goods as much as i can ( for the last 11 years i tasted pepsi maybe not more then 7 times )

believe me i know my enemies and i know the mulla of iran r as bad for us muslims as the the 2 other that u put up there.

TARIQ
 
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