Pakistan bows to pressure; says it will ban Jamaat-ud-Dawa

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Hey, Guys! Some potentially "innocent" posters get banned here at the PDF all the time, without trial! The PDF should have a trial system for banning members. Right?

(mods, please don't ban me because of this post)

Indeed, no due process in this forum.

But then we never claimed to be a democracy either.

 

[Dhruv]

Are your suggesting in your first sentence that Pakistan does not have a high court?

If multiple countries are cooperating and sharing intelligence and evidence (per Ambassador Haqqani the US already is with Pakistan), then there should be nothing to prevent them from using the avenues available (The Pakistani justice system, all the way to the Supreme Court) to continue cooperating and make their case against the perpetrators to get them behind bars.

The UNSC can indeed ban organizations, and Pakistan has indicated it will act, but it cannot make Pakistan extradite any individuals, nor am I aware of what action it requires of member countries, other than restrictions, against people designated as 'terrorist'.

The perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks are not going to the gallows because the UNSC declares them terrorists - they will meet that fate only when condemned by a court of law, and for that cooperation on investigations, evidence and intelligence is crucial.

We have actually digressed from first acknowledging the fact that there is an issue with these organizations (which is where I was aiming at, not whether Pakistan has a high court or no - I have some understanding of Pakistan which is why I am here on this forum)

We were at "like minded nations" ganging together, or "show evidence first" and then we will do something about it, juncture.

Action, court trials, persecution will come later.

First comes the need to look at the incessant finger pointing, cohesive international pressure over the elements of these organizations, and instead we have a feverish debate, bent on rebuttal, falsification of evidences, weaving alternative theories out.

Amidst this broader mainstream notion being fed into the minds of pakistani populace, by media and even some government officials - there must be some REAL work going in behind the curtains where intelligence is being shared, the evidences are being produced, and it will have to overpower the mainstream notion and Government would have to do something about it sooner or later, and then this mainstream notion would fuel further rage in the populace.

And I completely agree to the moral deficiency of certain superpowers engaged in this that you mention, it is irrefutable and hard to counter. I will not engage in this, or to put it correctly, I can not engage in it. Its a lost cause.

The only way forward is by terrorists going on the way they are (they shot their chances to continue to thrive in India by targetting Americans & British in Mumbai) and if they go on spreading such sick terror further, they would end up gaining universal hatred and detest. As I see it today, there is a lack of it and infact, a rather hush-hush acceptance to some of their cause and means which dents the confidence and determination required to weed it out.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

First comes the need to look at the incessant finger pointing, cohesive international pressure over the elements of these organizations, and instead we have a feverish debate, bent on rebuttal, falsification of evidences, weaving alternative theories out.

Amidst this broader mainstream notion being fed into the minds of pakistani populace, by media and even some government officials - there must be some REAL work going in behind the curtains where intelligence is being shared, the evidences are being produced, and it will have to overpower the mainstream notion and Government would have to do something about it sooner or later, and then this mainstream notion would fuel further rage in the populace.

The media hysteria is a valid point, but I must point out that the hysteria on the Pakistani side has been reactive - to the hysteria, vitriol and war drums on the Indian side, more often than not attributed to information leaked by 'government sources'.

I pointed this out elsewhere as well - the initial reaction of sympathy in Pakistan, and in the Pakistani media, was quickly overshadowed with anger at the litany of accusations coming fast and furious, within hours of the alleged arrest.

The reality is that the response to the attacks was bungled in more than one way by Indian officials. The security and intelligence failures aside, the incessant leaks of sometimes outright contradictory information, poisoned the airwaves and poisoned the mind of the average Indian, already distrustful of Pakistan, towards a particular course of action, and it poisoned the Pakistani mind, already distrustful of India, towards a rejectionist course.

I realize you acknowledged the flaws in the Indian media coverage elsewhere, but the Pakistani position is one of an 'accused fighting back against unjust allegations' (leaving any determination related to the validity of that perception aside for the moment), and I just don't see this toning down unless the GoI comes on board and calms down the Indian media, or the two (Indian and Pakistani media) come together and work to reduce the jingoism on the airwaves. The best piece of advice I have heard for this situation is from a man I do not necessarily respect tremendously, but he got it right this time

'India, take a breath"- Zardari.

 

[ajpirzada]

pak banned JuD not bec of any international pressure but only bec of UN. we are a part of UN and we have to respect any decision made by the organisation. pressure was there even before the UN decision but JuD was not banned.