Pakistan asks US to mediate on Kashmir

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

this is all so useless... these people think the US is really going to do anything for the good of Kashmir... Theres no oil there guys!!!

ludicrous...

 

[prototype]

And why does India still tries to hold on Kashmir when people there have rejected India a Million times !!!

their is a small difference here,Its India who is rejecting their demand of separation,and we will continue to do so as far as this territory is our's,so arrive with a better example next time

 

[Peshwa]

In the interest of promoting the economic and civil progress of both India and Pakistan, the USA should offer to host mediation talks between Pakistan and India. However, I think that the talks should also settle any disputes with China at the same time. So perhaps the USA should try to organize a tri-party conference of China, India and Pakistan to discuss and settle all border issues, with the mechanism being a plebiscite held by the UN under UN Security Council authority. What does India have to fear from a free, open and honest plebiscite of the citizens in each of the "disputed" territories?

Pakistan claims that the current situation in their country and WOT in general is a fallout of the effect of the Soviet Union invasion and the Islamization of the tribal areas by the US and Pak.....something that happend 3 decades ago....

Similarly, Pakistan has been fuelling insurgency in Indian Kashmir for the last 2 decades.....
Even if they claim that the support has been taken away (which it has not), the effects of living under "emergency" like situation takes a toll on people and generations.....as can be seen from the current Pakistani situation...let alone the radicalization that Pakistan has indoctrinated into thousands of Kashmiris....

So it is unfair to say that a "plebiscite" would be fair as the seed sof negativity sown thanks to Pakistani actions need to be undone.....

These are actions not easily undone....so to be a plebiscite is a failed solution....
The only option is to convert the LOC as the IB, open borders and allow for development and education to improve the conditions there and hope that radicalization does not take the better of the Kashmiris....

Lets be honest.....India was not the one responsible for the radicalization of the Kashmiris...

 

[KS]

And why does India still tries to hold on Kashmir when people there have rejected India a Million times !!!

And why do Pakistan support Kashmir when only 2% of the ppl support them and the absolute majority rejected them.?

Only 2% Kashmiris want to join Pak: Survey

Chatham House: Pakistan Option Unpopular with Kashmiris

 

[Storm Force]

I CAN JUST SEE IT NOW.

Brack Obama Says to MOHAN SINGH. " look buddy just hand over the entire state of KASHMIR to our long term ally Pakistan.

Peace will prevail.

Mohan Says " OK MR PRESIDENT" i will suggest to LOK SABHA parliment.

"No Mohan" says obama hand over the keys Now.

or will bomb you back to the stone age "

"oh i see Mr President" says Mohan

OK Pakistan can have Kashmir all of it now

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Wat can America do realistcally

 

[Hawkish]

this is all so useless... these people think the US is really going to do anything for the good of Kashmir... Theres no oil there guys!!!

ludicrous...

Glad at least a few here understand.

 

[somebozo]

If they expect us to mediate for them in Afghanistan and save their a55 then we expect them to reciprocate the same.. Pakistan unlike India is not claiming whole of Kashmir but a peaceful settlement of borders!

 

[Hawkish]

Keep it cool. We never let you down. Did you read the news today? Additional 2 billion aid for our friend Pakistan. All for a favorable afghan outcome

If they expect us to mediate for them in Afghanistan and save their a55 then we expect them to reciprocate the same.. Pakistan unlike India is not claiming whole of Kashmir but a peaceful settlement of borders!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

And why do Pakistan support Kashmir when only 2% of the ppl support them and the absolute majority rejected them.?

Only 2% Kashmiris want to join Pak: Survey

Chatham House: Pakistan Option Unpopular with Kashmiris

well, if the survey is to be belived then hell! What have you got to lose? Hold a referendum already.


the reason india may be scared is because


a.) they know that vast majority of Kashmiris on the ground --regardless of the result of a british survey -- are opposed to indian occupation


b.) it would set a similar trend among the bengalis, tamils, sikhs and other ethnic groups existing within india --all of which have elements demanding separation or autonomy


real question is, with the bouts of unrest, and with many indians becoming ever-increasingly insecure, how much longer can their artificial occupation continue and persist?


the opponents will talk about conditions conducive for referendum.....why did the pundits run away like sheep in the first place? The excuse is terrorism and militancy, and I think that has been wildly exaggerated by indians; local Kashmiris do have elements that believe in armed resistance (as mentioned in the article) -- obviously some people will resort to armed resistance as this is natural human behaviour

everybody who is versed on the subject knows the brutal tactics that were employed by the heavily armed occupation forces (AKA the sissies).....even the Canadians acknowledged it recently

 

[somebozo]

well, if the survey is to be belived then hell! What have you got to lose? Hold a referendum already.


the reason india may be scared is because


a.) they know that vast majority of Kashmiris on the ground --regardless of the result of a british survey -- are opposed to indian occupation


b.) it would set a similar trend among the bengalis, tamils, sikhs and other ethnic groups existing within india --all of which have elements demanding separation or autonomy


real question is, with the bouts of unrest, and with many indians becoming ever-increasingly insecure, how much longer can their artificial occupation continue and persist?


the opponents will talk about conditions conducive for referendum.....why did the pundits run away like sheep in the first place? The excuse is terrorism and militancy, and I think that has been wildly exaggerated by indians; local Kashmiris do have elements that believe in armed resistance (as mentioned in the article) -- obviously some people will resort to armed resistance as this is natural human behaviour

everybody who is versed on the subject knows the brutal tactics that were employed by the heavily armed occupation forces (AKA the sissies).....even the Canadians acknowledged it recently

India is a gaint mess which is being artifically held together in a false national unity by a fake "economic miracle". Once the pundits of lok subha runs out of magic the only way to sustain india unitied would be to divert public attention towards war and bogeymen external threats. Kashmir and Pakistan will play a role here!

 

[Minimalist]

India is a gaint mess which is being artifically held together in a false national unity by a fake "economic miracle". Once the pundits of lok subha runs out of magic the only way to sustain india unitied would be to divert public attention towards war and bogeymen external threats. Kashmir and Pakistan will play a role here!

Then it should be a matter of shame for you that a giant mess is growing at nearly 10 percent and your glittering Pakistan is teetering and fighting for its survival.

 

[TruthSeeker]

The Indian posters here at the PDF spout the typical Indian line: Pakistanis go to hell! We will never let the Kashmiris choose their fate!

So sad. Indians, let go of your hatred of the Pakistanis. Give them their chance to prove that Kashmiris want to be Pakistanis. If they fail the issue is done. If India is such a great country, it can withstand a plebiscite. Have you no faith in your greatness and the attractiveness of your nation to the Kashmiris?

 

[Minimalist]

The Indian posters here at the PDF spout the typical Indian line: Pakistanis go to hell! We will never let the Kashmiris choose their fate!

So sad. Indians, let go of your hatred of the Pakistanis. Give them their chance to prove that Kashmiris want to be Pakistanis. If they fail the issue is done. If India is such a great country, it can withstand a plebiscite. Have you no faith in your greatness and the attractiveness of your nation to the Kashmiris?

I told you this in some other thread also, Kashmir issue is not about people or human rights or other such BS. Cmon, now don't patronise me as if you guys do everything for the sake of welfare of human rights in the world.

It's a cold interplay of interests and interests only. We are not willing to let go off Kashmir's waters at any cost whatsoever. Sad or not, this is the way it is and this is the way it's going to be.

It's all about water for both India and Pakistan. Rest is all moral homilies.

Moreover, even if I forget the water angle for a minute still there is a very important point to note here that India will not undergo another division on the lines of religion and for that we are willing to shoulder whatever costs we have to.

No nation in the modern world will compromise on its territorial integrity and that how it is with India too.

For more on this, you'll do good to check this out:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/77548-kashmir-people-water.html

 

[True Lies]

The Indian posters here at the PDF spout the typical Indian line: Pakistanis go to hell! We will never let the Kashmiris choose their fate!

So sad. Indians, let go of your hatred of the Pakistanis. Give them their chance to prove that Kashmiris want to be Pakistanis. If they fail the issue is done. If India is such a great country, it can withstand a plebiscite. Have you no faith in your greatness and the attractiveness of your nation to the Kashmiris?

Well, partition of India happened and it was told that whoever doesn't wanna live in India, can live in Pakistan. If they dont want to be part of India then they can live in Pakistan. there is no need of partitioning Kashmir just for their sake. We have 2 dumping grounds neighboring India. So those who don't wanna live in India can leave but no more partition will happen.

 

[KS]

The Indian posters here at the PDF spout the typical Indian line: Pakistanis go to hell! We will never let the Kashmiris choose their fate!

So sad. Indians, let go of your hatred of the Pakistanis. Give them their chance to prove that Kashmiris want to be Pakistanis. If they fail the issue is done. If India is such a great country, it can withstand a plebiscite. Have you no faith in your greatness and the attractiveness of your nation to the Kashmiris?

Ahhhh the citizen of a state that upholds the highest virtues of non-violence,tolerance and human rights all over the world from Iraq,Afghanistan lectures India on the same.

Cmon...give us a break.We dont need to "prove" anybody that we are a great nation by denigrating our "territorial integrity".

We prefer to be one amongst the new "Axis of Evil" list,if by any chance a new one is coming out any time soon.