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Pakistan arrests opposition leaders as election draws near

I think you need to learn more history. The whole of european gdp(british + dutch+ french+ german + portuguese) will not match the gdp of India in 17th century and you talk of us as jungles? The small feudal states you talk about was each the size of britain.

The railways were not built for us, they were built so that you could take the wood, minerals and crops from India and transfer them to britain. Check out the route map of railways in india at 1947 and understand the routes which they go through.

health- where the average age was 24. literacy rate ~10, and where the whole british ww 2 was funded by starving 3 million bengalis to death, I should be grateful for all your "beneficial" work.

You did not leave democracies, you left two wounded nations and left off in a puff, packing all what you can. Read the history of partition, where pakistan became a reality in three months leaving no time for the non-violent exchanges of refugees and how millions died due to the emergency.

Dont expect any sympathies for the brutal rule we endured.

True, Neutraldude you are responsible if we are fighting together today! You negligence was responsible for the death of millions across the globe! You left dictators in Africa too! Did you forget about them? Why do you wish to kick dirt at others when your own history is not clean? We know of your ideology of divide and rule already... please spread dirt elsewhere!

When the Pakistanis are saying that they believe Pakistan is a democratic nation then who are you to challenge those claims?
 
A quote full of self pity and it elicits zero sympathies from me and infact lowers the person's respect in my eyes.
UK has done that, US has done that, alright? but what did Pakistan do?

:what: Sympathy? I ask sympathy only from girls! Who asked for your sympathies?

I could say the same about India! What has the extremely peace-loving nation of India done? What great crime do you say Pakistan has committed???

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For a person who has been starved of food for a week, even grass will look like good food, if that is Pakistan's case......

So you're telling me about India? Actually, I saw pictures and read about the skinny children picking food from the gutters in India... so you're trying to tell me that those children eat grass when they haven't eaten for a week? :D

treatment of minorities in india, a village imam's two sons, who did not have a single mentor or connections are playing in a eleven member team, for which half of indians will be ready to give their right arm for, and yes what you say about the treatment of minorities in india is correct.

Again you people start with the this muslim is on this position... this muslim is doing this... is that what you solely base treatment of minorities on? What about those people who are shifting to Pakistan? What about all those who are fearful of the majorities aggression? What about the fear in their hearts and the discrimination and biases that most middle-class families suffer!

So you are somehow in the world, only and only the Saudi king wanted NS to get out of Pakistan and make NS a prisoner in a luxury room in Saudi... Yaa why isnt the Saudi king making you such a prisoner?

Maybe you should get a teddy-bear for yourself to tuck into bed... jump on it a few times ... and then go to sleep and have sweet dreams evry night...;)

No, it doesnt. But unfortunately your if condition validation is yet to be proved.

I guess! I don't have much of a doubt about what the results may be! But if you want... Anyway I don't really believe that the results will stop you from coming here and saying Musharraf is a dictator again.

When I put a revolver to your head, you might as well say "kashmir is an integral part of india".
but are you really agreeing with me?

Yes there are idiots everywhere, no doubt.

No I won't! :) Because I would rather die than be forced to say something that is absolutely untrue and against humanity! You see I am not an unfeeling maniac like you! I am deeply wounded when I hear about the siezure of property, rape, torture and murder that is going on in Kashmir as I am when I hear about children picking food from gutters! Now is'nt India a dictatorship as the Kashmiris are so discontent? Do you think these skeleton kids in such dire need of food will say "the government has done a lot for me" when you ask them about their condition? Does'nt that prove that India is a dictatorship and does not care about its peoples wishes? And don't forget that minorities are discontented too! So is'nt that a dictatorship? Now am I going around screaming that India is a dictatorship?

:yahoo: Bravo, i am proud of you! Atleast you managed to admit that there are idiots in India too rather than picking out the ones in Pakistan and crying that you found an idiot in Pakistan!

Well done! :enjoy:

Have you started working anywhere? and do you know what a tenure means and what retirement age is?

Yes, i understand that people of my age (18) are given good positions in good companies and made managers in India but I am not from India... I was wondering was vajpayee my age when he became president or was he younger? I believe he must have been younger as I am too old to work! I would guess the age of Vajpayee to be 8 or 9 when he started working!

All the defence housing colonies are indications of this honour only and I need to remind you of the person who pays for all the things which Mushy does to extend his rule- Pakistani tax payer.

And the honour the people give them? We greatly respect the ex servicemen and retired majors! Sometimes I have even seen gharib people grab their feet and cry about what great people they are... i think they will still be honoured further!...
 
I think you need to learn more history. The whole of european gdp(british + dutch+ french+ german + portuguese) will not match the gdp of India in 17th century and you talk of us as jungles? The small feudal states you talk about was each the size of britain.

You did not leave democracies, you left two wounded nations and left off in a puff, packing all what you can. Read the history of partition, where pakistan became a reality in three months leaving no time for the non-violent exchanges of refugees and how millions died due to the emergency.

Dont expect any sympathies for the brutal rule we endured.

Sorry my knowledge about partition is comprehensive and not from British History books only.

Don't blame us when two educated men like Jinnah and Nehru could not decide how to make their people live happily ever after the British left. Even 60 years down the line nothing much has changed and still the leaders of both countries make their people hate each other. There has been no interference of the Divide and Rule policy used by the British which you like to brandy around so why have you not solved Kashmir and gone ahead and tackled more pressing issues like poverty, lack of medical facilities, corruption etc.

Regards
 
Newsvine - US Raps Pakistan Crackdown on Opposition

The United States strongly criticized Pakistan's government Monday, saying it was "extremely disturbed" by a roundup of opposition leaders ahead of key court rulings on the re-election bid by President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

It was an unusual scolding from the country that has counted Musharraf as a key ally against al-Qaida since the Sept. 11 attacks, but his administration brushed off the comments, saying the crackdown is needed to prevent the opposition from fomenting trouble and trying to intimidate the Supreme Court.

"As a very close ally of Pakistan with a keen eye on Pakistan affairs, I am sure the U.S. does realize that in any democratic society there can only be a rule of law and not a rule by the mob," government spokesman Tariq Azim said.

Opposition leaders have warned of street protests if Musharraf presses ahead with his effort to be elected to a new five-year term by lawmakers next month. They also are challenging his plan before the Supreme Court, which rejected three petitions Monday but is considering others.

Police arrested some opposition leaders over the weekend and more on Monday as others went into hiding. The opposition said more than 200 political figures had been detained, while Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said about 40 were in custody as of Sunday.

The U.S. government, which has given billions of dollars to Pakistan for its help against terrorist groups, had been reluctant to voice open criticism of Musharraf as he has struggled with worsening unpopularity this year.

But on Monday, the U.S. Embassy said the arrests of opposition leaders were "extremely disturbing and confusing for the friends of Pakistan" and called for those detained to be freed quickly.

A statement from the embassy said it did not endorse any candidate or party as Pakistan prepares for the presidential ballot Oct. 6 by federal and provincial legislators and for parliamentary elections by January.

"We hope to see a democratic process that is inclusive and the election of a leader who represents the choice of the Pakistani people through a free, fair, and transparent process," the embassy said.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Tom Casey also was critical. He said the U.S. was concerned "any time there are steps taken that would inhibit people's ability to participate in the political process or freedom of expression."

Kamran Bokhari, South Asia analyst for the Washington-based Strategic Forecasting Inc., said the Bush administration is wary of being seen to prop up a repressive military ruler when its own troops are in tough fights in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He said the U.S. government's message is: "We're watching, don't make a mess of the situation. We're not about to abandon you, but a lot depends on how you handle things."

Washington appears to support Musharraf's talks with former prime minister Benazir Bhutto over forming a power-sharing coalition that could unite Pakistani moderates in the fight against extremist groups that oppose allying with the U.S. The talks have stalled amid opposition from right-wingers in Musharraf's camp.

Musharraf, who seized power in a bloodless coup in 1999, has seen his popularity and power erode since his failed effort to fire the Supreme Court's chief justice earlier this year. His administration is also struggling to contain a surge in violence by Islamic militants.

He has said he will give up his post as army chief once he is elected president, restoring civilian rule to a country long dominated by its military.

But opposition parties are arguing before the Supreme Court that Musharraf is ineligible to run for president, principally because he is still army chief. They are threatening to quit Parliament to undermine his legitimacy and warn they will stage demonstrations against his rule.

Seeking to head off protests, the government issued an order over the weekend prohibiting gatherings of more than five people in the capital. Police also detained several opposition leaders and on Monday intensified the crackdown.

"The government is bent on picking up every opposition man. All fascist tactics are being used and all the state machinery is being exploited for the illegitimate rule of one man," said Ahsan Iqbal, spokesman for the party led by Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister who was ousted by Musharraf and was prevented from returning to Pakistan earlier this month.

As the Supreme Court held hearings on Musharraf's eligibility to compete in the presidential vote, police blocked roads with barbed wire and stymied protesters' efforts to congregate, arresting some 30 members of a pro-Taliban party a few hundred yards from the court building.

"The U.S. government hired a dog in uniform," the fist-pumping protesters shouted.

Officials said police were ensuring the judges were not intimidated by crowds massing outside the courthouse.

On Monday, the Supreme Court dismissed three of 10 petitions arguing that Musharraf's dual role as army chief and president makes him ineligible for another term.

Presiding Judge Rana Bhagwandas rejected one because it reached too far back into Musharraf's rule, another because the lawyer who filed it didn't show up and a third without explanation.

Rulings on the other petitions are expected later this week, but opposition politicians have said more legal challenges will be filed following the general's formal nomination as a candidate, expected Thursday.

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Associated Press writers Sadaqat Jan and Zarar Khan in Islamabad and Foster Klug in Washington contributed to this report.
 
Why would I want any sympathy for what my ancestors did ? Please however don't forget you are one country now thanks to the British influence otherwise you would have been 200 princely states who would have never united. Anyway we left India and Pakistan 60 years ago so i guess you have had enough time to set everything right. If British rule was all bad then how come Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong, Malaysia develop into such beautiful places.
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When britain left India, there were not just 200 princely states as you said, there were 560 princely states. When the british left india, each of those 560 princely states were given the option of choosing independence and those who chose independence were to be provided support directly from the british. And all those princely states were joined into India not by the british, but by Sardar Vallabhai Patel and an Indian bureacrat. We faced problems with 3 of those princely states, all because of the guarentee of the british and you still know what is happening in one of them-kashmir. Claiming absolute false hood, that british removed the feudal system in india and then talking something else will not fly off with me. Read about the how we eradicated all the zamindari(a comprehensive feudal system) system introduced by the british and run for 150 years, within 5 years of gaining independence, and how we abolished the last remnants of the princely states in 20 years, by abolishing the privy purses before talking about it. and then after learning all this, talk to me about who removed the feudal system in India.

Regarding Singapore, do you want me to show the pictures of singapore when it was given independence? That it developed after gaining independence shows how much singapore worked hard, and how they were put under the yoke by the british. I wouldn't even talk about the sub-human treatment british meted out to the aboriginies in australia and the apartheid in south africa.

"white man's burden" where we "ignorant, primitive, idiots who cant run a country" is just absoulte bull sh*t and it was pure, cruel colonialisation of the worst order which the british carried out successfully. There was nothing "beneficial"/ "giving civilization" crap about it.

No, I do not expect you to want sympathy from us. On the other hand, please do not expect to say comments like the one below without opposition also.
India and Pakistan were jungles and small feudal states before the British came. Please travel India and Pakistan to see what beneficial work was also done like the legal laws, consititution, health, railways Britain left behind. We also left democracies in India and Pakistan.

That we people from the subcontinent have "let bygones be bygones" unlike the chinese for the japanese, is what I think, you are able to speak this nonsense. That we do not show a victim syndrome from you, is what allowed you to say that.
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Sorry my knowledge about partition is comprehensive and not from British History books only.

Don't blame us when two educated men like Jinnah and Nehru could not decide how to make their people live happily ever after the British left. Even 60 years down the line nothing much has changed and still the leaders of both countries make their people hate each other. There has been no interference of the Divide and Rule policy used by the British which you like to brandy around so why have you not solved Kashmir and gone ahead and tackled more pressing issues like poverty, lack of medical facilities, corruption etc.

Regards

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Nobody here is talking about how India and pakistan were not able to solve Kashmir after 1950, it is simply the fault of our both countries and I do not blame british for what happened after around 1949, but before that all the brutal rule we endured and the mess it created while leaving, was of the british and their policies. Nobody can claim otherwise.

For creating the mess, the british are responsible. For being unable to clear up the mess, we(India and Pakistan) are responsible.
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:what: Sympathy? I ask sympathy only from girls! Who asked for your sympathies?

I could say the same about India! What has the extremely peace-loving nation of India done? What great crime do you say Pakistan has committed???



So you're telling me about India? Actually, I saw pictures and read about the skinny children picking food from the gutters in India... so you're trying to tell me that those children eat grass when they haven't eaten for a week?
Nah, I was not talking about India, but was talking about a country, whose PM said that they will eat grass in 1974;) :P
Again you people start with the this muslim is on this position... this muslim is doing this... is that what you solely base treatment of minorities on? What about those people who are shifting to Pakistan? What about all those who are fearful of the majorities aggression? What about the fear in their hearts and the discrimination and biases that most middle-class families suffer!



Maybe you should get a teddy-bear for yourself to tuck into bed... jump on it a few times ... and then go to sleep and have sweet dreams evry night...;)



I guess! I don't have much of a doubt about what the results may be! But if you want... Anyway I don't really believe that the results will stop you from coming here and saying Musharraf is a dictator again.
Let him have a free and fair elections,
To be fair,
i)no rule changes for individual cases
a)In the present case- Musharraf plays by the rules,
i.e. he resigns as COAS and then waits for two years according to his service rules and then stands in election
b) all are seen equally
i.e. BB and NS are allowed to come into the country and then allow them to publicize freely and no restrictions are put on them like they are putting to Imran Khan.

If Musharraf satisfies the condition of having free and fair elections, why will I say he is a dictator? If he doesnt, why wouldnt I say he is a dictator(which he presently is)?


No I won't! :) Because I would rather die than be forced to say something that is absolutely untrue and against humanity! You see I am not an unfeeling maniac like you! I am deeply wounded when I hear about the siezure of property, rape, torture and murder that is going on in Kashmir as I am when I hear about children picking food from gutters! Now is'nt India a dictatorship as the Kashmiris are so discontent? Do you think these skeleton kids in such dire need of food will say "the government has done a lot for me" when you ask them about their condition? Does'nt that prove that India is a dictatorship and does not care about its peoples wishes? And don't forget that minorities are discontented too! So is'nt that a dictatorship? Now am I going around screaming that India is a dictatorship?

:yahoo: Bravo, i am proud of you! Atleast you managed to admit that there are idiots in India too rather than picking out the ones in Pakistan and crying that you found an idiot in Pakistan!

Well done! :enjoy:
Difference - Kashmir is not equal to India, but Pakistan is equal to Pakistan.


Yes, i understand that people of my age (18) are given good positions in good companies and made managers in India but I am not from India... I was wondering was vajpayee my age when he became president or was he younger? I believe he must have been younger as I am too old to work! I would guess the age of Vajpayee to be 8 or 9 when he started working!
the word is "tenure"!!! The PM job is a temporary job for a period of 5 years in India, which does not have promotions, extensions and so on. He has to reapply (to the parliament) every 5 years. If you have a job, you dont reapply every 5 years, once you have got that job, you have got it. If you dont get the difference between a political position and a regular job(which is of COAS) here, let me just say, "I might try talking to chimps in future to see whether it is more purposeful".
And the honour the people give them? We greatly respect the ex servicemen and retired majors! Sometimes I have even seen gharib people grab their feet and cry about what great people they are... i think they will still be honoured further!...

Yes, the same honour which you give by giving large tracts of farm land, by establishing more monopolies in the form of fauji, navy and air force foundation. and yes, they need to be honoured further.:disagree:
 
Win, Im the new all powerfull President. Lose, im the army chief and will throw out the elected president.

Well thats called a win-win situation.
 
Nah, I was not talking about India, but was talking about a country, whose PM said that they will eat grass in 1974;) :P

I was almost sure you'd start talking about Indian farmers eating grass because they could not support themselves and their families and their children were dying and their sad stories but anyway... you want to tell me there are no problems in India so...

Well that PM said his country would rather eat grass than not have nuclear weapons... his country went for the nuclear weapons! ;)

What about India don't the cotton farmers want subsidies for their crops as otherwise as they say they will not be able to support their families? So why does the government not listen to them and help so many people and leaves them to continue committing suicide? Does'nt that prove that India is a dictatorship? Why don't you talk about India? Why are you being unfair to minorities and why are you treating the Kashmiris like animals and oppressing them while they want freedom?

What about India don't the cotton farmers want subsidies for their crops as otherwise as they say they will not be able to support their families? So why does the government not listen to them and help so many people and leaves them to continue committing suicide? Does'nt that prove that India is a dictatorship? Why don't you talk about India? Why are you being unfair to minorities and why are you treating the Kashmiris like animals and oppressing them while they want freedom?

Let him have a free and fair elections,
To be fair,
i)no rule changes for individual cases
a)In the present case- Musharraf plays by the rules,
i.e. he resigns as COAS and then waits for two years according to his service rules and then stands in election
b) all are seen equally
i.e. BB and NS are allowed to come into the country and then allow them to publicize freely and no restrictions are put on them like they are putting to Imran Khan.

If Musharraf satisfies the condition of having free and fair elections, why will I say he is a dictator? If he doesnt, why wouldnt I say he is a dictator(which he presently is)?


Woah, now Indians will set conditions about how Pakistan should be run... tell me something?
Do you guys still think that you own us or something? Do you have some wild notion that Pakistanis think whatever an Indian says is true? Do you think Pakistanis will even think of satisfying your outrageous demands?

So you are suggesting that the elections weren't fair? Actually I was wondering how you got the figures you gave... 99.9&#37; voted for Musharraf???... did you just pick out the highest possible number just to support your claims? Tommarow you'll suggest that Musharraf is responsible for sending the "ISI" to India and telling them to pick Indians out of their beds and execute them...

Dude, did'nt he say he will step down as Army chief after elections or do you want him to write it down for you and make a statement specially for you! We are absolutely fine with him standing in the elections as there is no one else to stand! We don't want Nawaz and nor do we want Benazir! I'm quite sure you'd be happy with an idiot in power in Pakistan but the Pakistani people are sorry that they do not see things as people in India see them... Now seeing your love for corrupt politicians I am sure that if Nawaz goes and settles in India you will make him the Prime-Minister in your country and let him steal from the Indian treasury as it gives the people of India some sort of pleasure!

:what: :woot: BB and NS are allowed to come into the country and then allowed them to publicize freely?... you make me laugh at your pathetic description of democracy! When the people of Pakistan do not want them to come back to Pakistan then who are you to tell us that they should? Why should we bring these idiots back when almost all of the Pakistani population is alligned against them and is against their entry to Pakistan? And congratulations BB is coming to Pakistan... lets see what great treasure chest she brings for Pakistan!

Difference - Kashmir is not equal to India, but Pakistan is equal to Pakistan.

Kashmir is equal to Kashmir as is the wish and is the undenyable right of the Kashmiris as human beings to decide their own future! And yes Pakistan is equal to Pakistan! What you'll do to change it?

the word is "tenure"!!! The PM job is a temporary job for a period of 5 years in India, which does not have promotions, extensions and so on. He has to reapply (to the parliament) every 5 years. If you have a job, you dont reapply every 5 years, once you have got that job, you have got it. If you dont get the difference between a political position and a regular job(which is of COAS) here, let me just say, "I might try talking to chimps in future to see whether it is more purposeful".

Woah! Chimps huh! Is that what your IQ test revealed or is this what the docters say? So they say that you are eligible to talk to chimps only because your condition is extremely unstable and unpredictable and you might attack anyone who is a Pakistani? Can you try to stop your constant war-mongering? Be happy now! He's stepping down as COAS after elections... though i doubt you'll bring in something else to support your stupid ideas about "democracy"... did the Indian government ever tell you that you are a visionary?

Yes, the same honour which you give by giving large tracts of farm land, by establishing more monopolies in the form of fauji, navy and air force foundation. and yes, they need to be honoured further.:disagree:

Woah, thats very sad! We gave them farmland... now thats definately a crime! Haram Yakhi! Ya, ya... tragic indeed! We can't do that... Maybe I'm going to have a change of heart now!

Actually I understand why Indians fear the word "farmland" as it reminds them of 3 farmers commiting suicice every single day and the thousands of farmers who've killed themselves over the years! Is'nt that right? It is'nt "balley balley" for the Indian farmers! What do you say Bhangra?

Well should'nt they be rewarded for being ready to give their lives for serving their nation? Whould'nt they be given something to support themselves and make a future for themselves... They leave their families at home for weeks and often months just for this selfless servitude and they should not be honoured? Don't you reward soldiers after service in the army or do you let them rot and leave them to face life as it is like you are letting the Kashmiris and minorities beg for their rights?
 
I was almost sure you'd start talking about Indian farmers eating grass because they could not support themselves and their families and their children were dying and their sad stories but anyway... you want to tell me there are no problems in India so...

Well that PM said his country would rather eat grass than not have nuclear weapons... his country went for the nuclear weapons! ;)

What about India don't the cotton farmers want subsidies for their crops as otherwise as they say they will not be able to support their families? So why does the government not listen to them and help so many people and leaves them to continue committing suicide? Does'nt that prove that India is a dictatorship? Why don't you talk about India? Why are you being unfair to minorities and why are you treating the Kashmiris like animals and oppressing them while they want freedom?

What about India don't the cotton farmers want subsidies for their crops as otherwise as they say they will not be able to support their families? So why does the government not listen to them and help so many people and leaves them to continue committing suicide? Does'nt that prove that India is a dictatorship? Why don't you talk about India? Why are you being unfair to minorities and why are you treating the Kashmiris like animals and oppressing them while they want freedom?
:smokin: :coffee: next time write something much more bigger and no points except india-hating, i can have a good laugh

Woah, now Indians will set conditions about how Pakistan should be run... tell me something?
Do you guys still think that you own us or something? Do you have some wild notion that Pakistanis think whatever an Indian says is true? Do you think Pakistanis will even think of satisfying your outrageous demands?

So you are suggesting that the elections weren't fair? Actually I was wondering how you got the figures you gave... 99.9&#37; voted for Musharraf???... did you just pick out the highest possible number just to support your claims? Tommarow you'll suggest that Musharraf is responsible for sending the "ISI" to India and telling them to pick Indians out of their beds and execute them...
Nope, Indians do not set how Pakistan is to run, and I dont think all Pakistanis (except one) are deciding either. You define what are "free and fair elections" conceptually and then let us apply it to the present scenario, wonky-tonky?

Dude, did'nt he say he will step down as Army chief after elections or do you want him to write it down for you and make a statement specially for you! We are absolutely fine with him standing in the elections as there is no one else to stand! We don't want Nawaz and nor do we want Benazir! I'm quite sure you'd be happy with an idiot in power in Pakistan but the Pakistani people are sorry that they do not see things as people in India see them... Now seeing your love for corrupt politicians I am sure that if Nawaz goes and settles in India you will make him the Prime-Minister in your country and let him steal from the Indian treasury as it gives the people of India some sort of pleasure!
Dont say "we", because Mushy hasnt given for the citizens of Pakistan to decide. It is singular "I", if you want to speak that mushy has the support of all pakistanis, he first needs to have a free and fair elections.
and by the way, stepping down AFTER elections doesnt count as free and fair elections.

:what: :woot: BB and NS are allowed to come into the country and then allowed them to publicize freely?... you make me laugh at your pathetic description of democracy! When the people of Pakistan do not want them to come back to Pakistan then who are you to tell us that they should? Why should we bring these idiots back when almost all of the Pakistani population is alligned against them and is against their entry to Pakistan? And congratulations BB is coming to Pakistan... lets see what great treasure chest she brings for Pakistan!

Oh! so NS came to Pakistan because he wanted the saudi king to take him to saudi, right? NS is so poor that he couldnt buy a direct ticket, right?:rofl:



Kashmir is equal to Kashmir as is the wish and is the undenyable right of the Kashmiris as human beings to decide their own future! And yes Pakistan is equal to Pakistan! What you'll do to change it?



Woah! Chimps huh! Is that what your IQ test revealed or is this what the docters say? So they say that you are eligible to talk to chimps only because your condition is extremely unstable and unpredictable and you might attack anyone who is a Pakistani? Can you try to stop your constant war-mongering? Be happy now! He's stepping down as COAS after elections... though i doubt you'll bring in something else to support your stupid ideas about "democracy"... did the Indian government ever tell you that you are a visionary?
mmmm...... chill out, I know you cannot engage in meaningful conversations,

what with stepping down after elections? He should resign and then contest the elections.

Woah, thats very sad! We gave them farmland... now thats definately a crime! Haram Yakhi! Ya, ya... tragic indeed! We can't do that... Maybe I'm going to have a change of heart now!

Actually I understand why Indians fear the word "farmland" as it reminds them of 3 farmers commiting suicice every single day and the thousands of farmers who've killed themselves over the years! Is'nt that right? It is'nt "balley balley" for the Indian farmers! What do you say Bhangra?

Well should'nt they be rewarded for being ready to give their lives for serving their nation? Whould'nt they be given something to support themselves and make a future for themselves... They leave their families at home for weeks and often months just for this selfless servitude and they should not be honoured? Don't you reward soldiers after service in the army or do you let them rot and leave them to face life as it is like you are letting the Kashmiris and minorities beg for their rights?

You never get it do you? Army exists to protect you, you do not exist so that army is given favours.

As Nehru said "all countries have an army, in pakistan, army has a country"
 
:smokin: :coffee: next time write something much more bigger and no points except india-hating, i can have a good laugh

Nope, Indians do not set how Pakistan is to run, and I dont think all Pakistanis (except one) are deciding either. You define what are "free and fair elections" conceptually and then let us apply it to the present scenario, wonky-tonky?

Dont say "we", because Mushy hasnt given for the citizens of Pakistan to decide. It is singular "I", if you want to speak that mushy has the support of all pakistanis, he first needs to have a free and fair elections.
and by the way, stepping down AFTER elections doesnt count as free and fair elections.

Oh! so NS came to Pakistan because he wanted the saudi king to take him to saudi, right? NS is so poor that he couldnt buy a direct ticket, right?:rofl:

mmmm...... chill out, I know you cannot engage in meaningful conversations,

what with stepping down after elections? He should resign and then contest the elections.

You never get it do you? Army exists to protect you, you do not exist so that army is given favours.

As Nehru said "all countries have an army, in pakistan, army has a country"

Thing is I find it hard to have a conversation with an India-Crazed fanatic...

Pakistan is a democracy which accepts its peoples wishes and its policies are based on it! The government changes its policies according to its peoples wishes and to support its industries! When companies asked for subsidies we give them that, when they asked for an increase in taxes on imports we gave them that... The Pakistani people feel the same way about what they want! Infact Pakistan is democratic almost to the extent of appeasement! We have had so many elections and votes... we have a free judiciary proven by the decision that went against Musharraf! We have a free media unlike star news and zee news where you guys have restrictions on what to say! What else do you want?

I tell you what... Even if the points you made were accepted... BB and NS were allowed to come and preach hate publically (which is against the Pakistani peoples wishes but only because you want it!) and Musharraf gave up the position of COAS it would'nt stop you from coming and crying about how Pakistan is not a democracy as your purpose is to only criticise, insult and then go home and sleep after you've had your fun!

No matter what we say... no matter how most Pakistanis believe that Pakistan is not a dictatorship you will say exactly the opposite no matter what the truth is!!! No matter what evidence and facts we bring out you Indians will keep saying the same things as your purpose is to criticize! That I've realised in the time i've spent on this site and i don't have the energy to keep arguing with you constantly as you will only say things against Pakistan! So please continue... i won't stop you... i know this is what your forefathers expected you to do in life so please continue... :D

When you're done with your moaning and squeeling about how Pakistan is not a democracy then you can come back and bring up another issue...
 
Let me repeat.
You define what are "free and fair elections" conceptually, no pakistan issue here.
We converse on what makes a country democratic, again no india-pakistan here
just general rules, with zero real-world examples.





and then let us apply it to the present scenario?
 
Let me repeat.
You define what are "free and fair elections" conceptually, no pakistan issue here.
We converse on what makes a country democratic, again no india-pakistan here
just general rules, with zero real-world examples.





and then let us apply it to the present scenario?

Okay, i'll answer your senseless post... till then hit the the dance floor!...

hoy, balle balle ni bhangra paa gaya...:enjoy:
 
:smokin: :coffee: next time write something much more bigger and no points except india-hating, i can have a good laugh

India Hating? Well I would describe your condition as highly unstable and extremely unpredictable! Now I know of the rage you people feel for losing Pakistan and of the anguish that burns within your hearts... but I must tell you that not everyone thinks like you... You see unlike Indians we are peaceful people and believe it is our responsibility to secure our own future and work for a better world! Now I know all that clouds your vision is Pakistan and its problems rather than the proverty and the farmers killing themselves because the government is ignoring them or the demands of minorities and wants of Kashmiris... so its nothing new for you guys to write up delusional stuff...

Nope, Indians do not set how Pakistan is to run, and I dont think all Pakistanis (except one) are deciding either. You define what are "free and fair elections" conceptually and then let us apply it to the present scenario, wonky-tonky?

Exept one??? Please grow up! If Musharraf was making all the decisions himself wihout taking the considerations of the Pakistani population then would'nt all of the population of Pakistan be against him? The elections we did have in Pakistan under Musharraf were free and fair! Now obviously thats too hard for you to swallow as it makes it too difficult for you to call Mushy a dictator...

I still do not believe that Pakistan is a dictatorship and if we are a dictatorship then India is either right beside us or a bigger dictatorship in that regard because your government is less willing to change policies to suit the demands of people in the country...

Dont say "we", because Mushy hasnt given for the citizens of Pakistan to decide. It is singular "I", if you want to speak that mushy has the support of all pakistanis, he first needs to have a free and fair elections.
and by the way, stepping down AFTER elections doesnt count as free and fair elections.

:hitwall: Free and fair elections??? God there is definately something wrong with you! Did you have a check up or did you ask the docters about your condition? I am extremely worried about your health!

I give up! You know better! Indians know more about Pakistan than anyone else! Its I not we... the Pakistani people have no say in what happens in their country and Musharraf is an evil blood-thirsty dictator who has managed to cling on to power for 8 years despite all this :enjoy: Happy?

Oh! so NS came to Pakistan because he wanted the saudi king to take him to saudi, right? NS is so poor that he couldnt buy a direct ticket, right?:rofl:

What are you talking about? Came to Pakistan and wanted Saudi to take him back?... What's all this? Are you drunk? Maybe thats what makes it difficult to understand your english... now I know that you must be illiterate and must be typing from some farm in India but can you please try to get a better education and come back and type? And oh yeah if you are a farmer then please don't commit suicide!

mmmm...... chill out, I know you cannot engage in meaningful conversations,

what with stepping down after elections? He should resign and then contest the elections.

Is there anything such as a meaningful conversation with a fanatic?... that is a fanatic of your calibre?

Fine you are the Khalifa! He should resign and let an idiot rule as it is best in Indian interests... The Pakistani people want him to rule! Do you even understand that? It is the peoples wishes that count! Now if you can give stupid suggestions such as Nawaz and Bhutto to return to Pakistan and being able to preach hate in Pakistan freely despite what the people of the nation wish for them then fine!

You never get it do you? Army exists to protect you, you do not exist so that army is given favours.

As Nehru said "all countries have an army, in pakistan, army has a country"

:yahoo: I expected nothing less from you! Bravo! So the army deserves nothing for its selfless servitude to the nation!

All these families that have to live without the male member of their families for long periods in our conservative society deserve nothing to help them move on and move to a better standard of living! If they are given land to support themsleves after serving in the army its illegal and an evil act! Tell me how does it harm you if we give poor soldier a house and farmland to support himself and his family? Actually I understand that you are worried about there being no suicide cases of farmers in Pakistan as there are in India so you definately need farmers committing suicide in Pakistan too as it is bad for your reputation to be the only ones...

The army has always been the savior of the people! Whenever there is a stupid idiotic regime in Pakistan the army has stepped up to stop the regime from leaving Pakistan in ashes! The army protects us and did protect us from Bhuttos nationalization and corruption and from Nawaz's similar policies and corruption!

I give up! You and Nehru know more about Pakistan than anyone has ever known in the world! Tell me something? Did Nehru ever manage to mumble anything good about Pakistan before he died and left India alone in this cold world or did he just die living his tormnented life of agony in pain for losing Pakistan?
 
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