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Pakistan arrests ended UN talks with Taliban: ex-UN envoy

what abt the US pressure to take action against Pakistani based talibans .. if the arrest had that impact then Pakistan should have been taken on board before the UN representatives could themselves approch the taliban ..The reagion has a poor record for smart azzes .. the UN envoy shoudnt have ignored this reality ..!
 
Oh yeh the old man has spoken after his term is ended as i said it before too that its just a propaganda to undermine Pakistani efforts.

besides UN had never confessed before about any negotiations with Taliban and how come UN can carry talks without taking US into confidence.
 
LONDON: The arrest of key Taliban leaders in Pakistan stopped a secret channel of communications with the United Nations, the former UN special representative to Afghanistan said Friday in a BBC interview.

Kai Eide, who stepped down from the post earlier this month, confirmed for the first time that he had been holding talks with senior Taliban figures and said they started around a year ago, AFP reported.

Face-to-face talks were held with “senior figures in the Taliban leadership” in Dubai and other locations, said the diplomat, adding he believed the movement's leader Mullah Omar had given the process the green light.

“Of course I met Taliban leaders during the time I was in Afghanistan,” the Norwegian diplomat told the broadcaster at his home outside Oslo.

“The first contact was probably last spring, then of course you moved into the election process where there was a lull in activity.”

Eide said that “communication picked up when the election process was over, and it continued to pick up until a certain moment a few weeks ago.”

He was referring to the arrest of senior Taliban commanders in Pakistan in recent weeks, a move which had been welcomed in the United States as a sign of the country's increasing willingness to track down Afghan militant leaders.

But the diplomat said the detentions had a “negative” effect on attempts to find a political solution to the eight-year-old Afghan war and suggested Pakistan had deliberately tried to undermine the negotiations.

He also said there were now many channels of communication with the Taliban, including with representatives of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

Eide said these contacts were “in the early stages ... talks about talks”, adding it would take a long time before there was enough confidence between both sides to really move forward.

“The effect of the arrests, in total, certainly was negative on our possibilities to continue the political process that we saw as so necessary at that particular juncture,” he said.

“The Pakistanis did not play the role they should have played. They must have known about this,” said Eide.

“I don't believe these people were arrested by coincidence. They must have known who they were, what kind of role they were playing — and you see the result today.”

Pakistani officials have insisted the arrests were not aimed at wrecking the talks, the BBC reported.

Taliban military commander Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar was captured last month in the southern Pakastani city of Karachi, in what US media said was a joint operation with American spies.

Other senior Taliban commanders have also reportedly been captured in Pakistan recently.

Reports first emerged that Eide met Taliban figures after an international conference on Afghanistan in London in January.

Asked about the level of contact in the talks, Eide told the BBC: “We met senior figures in the Taliban leadership and we also met people who have the authority of the Quetta Shura to engage in that kind of discussion.”

The Quetta Shura is the name given to the Taliban leadership council, which takes its name from the city of Quetta where the senior members of the militia are thought to have been based.

Asked whether the leader of the Taliban movement Mullah Omar would have known about the talks, he said: “I find it unthinkable that such contact would take place without his knowledge and also without his acceptance.”

Eide stepped down from his position as United Nations representative in Afghanistan earlier this month after two years in the post which saw violence escalate and the UN role in fraud-tainted elections mired in controversy.
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So what exactly shall we do?
Shall we crack on selective Taliban?
Was any list handed out to Pakistan about those who are exempted from crack down.
Pakistanis ar ebeing killed by these mercenaries..... we will choose who will go to the hell way!!!

GOT IT
 
Complete horse manure.

On the one hand there are all these noises about treating all Taliban the same, and "there are no good and bad Taliban", and then on the other hand when we go and risk our lives to arrest the number two guy in the Taliban terrorist organization, western media and officials start alluding to him as a good Taliban... a guy they were having talks with, and someone whose arrest has hurt the process.

Nonsense and propaganda. There will always be a group that will never be satisfied with whatever we do. As far as I'm concerned these gutless wretches can go to hell. :pakistan:
 
name the region AfPak and dont take pakistan into confidence when it comes to talks! no boy, its not gonna happen.

uncle UN go dig yourself a hot pot. we get equally effected with what happens under this WoT. you expect us to fight the taliban, seal the border all by ourself, give lives, get our economy screwed but when it will come to settlement you will simply turn your face away from us and ignore our security? sorry dude.

ignore us and we will act independently keeping in view only our national security interests. its neither immoral nor being self-centred. if you ask John Nash, he will call it rational.
 
Diplomacy at it's best.
Who ever this guy is he needs a reality check.
If he held talks with them in Afghanistan then they should have kept them there LET THEM KNOW : They r not welcome in our land.
They should have taken GoP in confidence. No use babbling now. I recon ISI would have known about what's happening behind the scenes and as things were not in the favour of Pakistan they reacted.
It will make sure that they know that we know before they know.
If we go down you go down with us it's no turning back now.
 
Jyoti Malhotra: Filling the post-US vacuum

The time may have come for India to play a more active role on the ****** frontier
Jyoti Malhotra / March 20, 2010, 0:56 IST



At a dinner party at the home of India’s defence attaché, Brigadier Surinder Singh, in Kabul in December 2009, the freezing cold outside was considerably lightened not only by a raging bonfire set up on the verandah, but also by the grace, charm, warmth and wit of the young men and women from India’s Army Education Corps and Army Medical Corps who had left their spouses and children back home in order to work among the people of Afghanistan.



Major Deepak Yadav from Mainpuri, Uttar Pradesh, taught English at the Afghan Military Academy, as did Major Nitish Roy, while Major Laishram Jyotin Singh, from Imphal, Manipur, looked after the ill, the infirm and unhealthy children at the Indira Gandhi Children’s Hospital in Kabul. The hospital’s out-patient department (OPD) has since been temporarily shut down, after Major Singh was blown up (and several other Indian doctors were injured) when he tried to stop a suicide bomber from hunting down Indians — two other terrorists went from room to room in the guesthouse, looking for the Major’s colleagues — and thus allowing several Afghans and Indians to escape during those crucial life-giving moments.

Much has been written about the February 28 Kabul attack, the third against Indians in the last three years, which, Indian and Afghan officials believe, was carried out by the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). Much has been said about the LeT’s motives, as well as that of its alleged sponsor, Pakistan’s spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), with US, British and other NATO diplomats privately conceding that the ISI — and its mother organisation, the Pakistan Army — is playing a double game in the ****** frontier. (Last year’s attack against the Indian high commission in Kabul was also said to have been carried out by the LeT.)

None of this is new. According to Pakistani media reports, Pakistan Army Chief Ashfaq Kayani has told President Asif Ali Zardari that the army will take primary responsibility of all ******-related policies — meaning, ****** matters are too important to be left to the democratically-elected government in Islamabad. This ties in with the general western assessment that the Pakistan Army/ISI has refused to completely cut off its links with the Taliban — because, it may need to revive them after the western forces leave — and join the US-led war on terror in the ****** region.

The most startling reaction came from the US special envoy for ****** Richard Holbrooke. At first, Holbrooke rejected the claim by Afghan intelligence that the attack — in which nine Indians, including Majors Deepak Yadav and Laishram Jyotin Singh, died, while Nitish Roy succumbed to his injuries at the Army hospital in Delhi — was targeted at the Indians.

Two days later, when Delhi protested against the insensitivity of the top US diplomat’s remarks, Holbrooke backtracked, saying he “regretted any misunderstanding caused” by his comments. “The willingness of India to take risks and make sacrifices to help Afghanistan is testament to India’s commitment to global peace and prosperity and a vital part of the international commitment to Afghanistan’s future,” he added.

Although Holbrooke’s carefully-worded denial of his own intemperate remarks was aimed at appeasing a furious Indian establishment, the fact is, the clarifications still haven’t found their way into the US State Department’s website in Washington DC, nor the State Department’s website in Pakistan.

In fact, the US establishment seems increasingly divided down the middle over its ****** war, with Holbrooke tending to very much overlook Pakistan’s complicity, because he feels it will endanger and discourage the critical role Islamabad is playing in the war effort.

On the other hand, Delhi believes that US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is much more circumspect about Islamabad’s intentions and much more willing to keep India in Afghanistan, in the short as well as the long term. When Kayani, followed by Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, reaches Washington in the coming days, they are likely to find that it is Clinton who takes the tough calls.

Clinton understands that when the US forces get out of Afghanistan, sooner rather than later, India and to a certain extent, Russia, will be the only regional players — not Pakistan, China or Iran — that the US will be able to depend upon to settle the chaos that is likely to ensue.

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has now indicated that the US troop’ draw-down could begin even earlier than the mid-2011 deadline. With Barack Obama increasingly embroiled in the two wars that he had no part in making, Delhi’s assessment is that the “outsourcing of the Afghanistan war” has already begun in Washington’s mind.

According to Holbrooke, the time is not ripe to call Pakistan’s bluff in the ****** badlands. So, when Pakistan and the US “jointly” captured Mullah Abdu Ghani Baradar in Karachi in mid-February, said to be the second most important man in the Taliban hierarchy after Mullah Omar, Holbrooke described it as a “high watermark for Pakistani and American collaboration”.

Only, it now appears that Baradar’s capture was really a cull. Having moved the top Afghan Taliban leadership, known as the “Quetta Shura” to Karachi from Quetta recently, the Pakistan Army/ISI is said to have “given up” Baradar because he was willing to experiment with Karzai’s grand plans for “reintegrating” all shades of Afghans.

The US-owned news agency, Associated Press, is now reporting that Karzai was furious at Mullah Baradar’s capture by the Pakistanis; in fact, when Karzai asked that Baradar be extradited during his visit to Islamabad last week, the Pakistanis turned him down. So much for the “twin brotherhood” between Pakistan and Afghanistan that Karzai was said to have espoused during his Islamabad trip

In fact, Holbrooke is well known to be resisting the Indian offer to train the Afghan Army because Pakistan, already edgy about India’s enormous goodwill in Afghanistan, does not believe Delhi should be allowed to expand its sphere of influence there.

But, as America wrestles within itself over its next course of action, the time may have come for India to play a more active role on the ****** frontier. Keeping the conversation alive with the Obama administration will, naturally, be key to enhancing Afghan partnerships, whether it is about training the trainers for the Afghan National Army or the civil police force.

Meanwhile, Delhi must expand and intensify its dialogue with countries like Russia, Germany and Japan — all of whom have enormous stores of experience, financial resources as well as determination — to enhance both goodwill and leverage, so that it is ready to play an active role to fill in the vacuum when the US-Nato-led troops’ draw-down begins.

Expanding India’s footprint in Afghanistan will mean that Majors Deepak Yadav, Nitish Roy, Laishram Jyotin Singh, as well as all the other Indians who died there, did not fall to the terrorist’s bullets in vain.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...n-talks-taliban-ex-un-envoy-2.html#post739989
 
well does it not remind you of a child hood story of a wolf and a lamb at the spring drinking water !!
 
well does it not remind you of a child hood story of a wolf and a lamb at the spring drinking water !!

Depends who is the wolf and who is the lamb.
My impression is that the wolf is calling himself the lamb. But the lamb just kicked some B**ls and the wolf realised its not easy being a lamb.:toast_sign::hang2:
 
Pakistani Analysts Respond to Former UN Official's Criticism

The former envoy to Afghanistan for the United Nations, Kai Eide, has criticized Pakistan for arresting top Taliban leaders, such as the group's second-in-command Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar last month. Speaking to the BBC, Eide said the arrests hurt reconciliation efforts by stopping secret talks between the United Nations and the Taliban, which started about a year ago.

In a recent television interview, the U.N.'s former special representative to Afghanistan, Kai Eide, said he believes "the Pakistanis did not play the role that they should have played" when they arrested top Taliban leaders.

He said he believes the Pakistani government must have known about the U.N.-brokered peace talks with the Taliban and that the arrests were counterproductive to those efforts.

Pakistan's former interior minister, Aftab Sherpao, says he would like to remind the former U.N. representative that Pakistan has carried a heavy burden since the U.S.-led invasion into Afghanistan toppled the Taliban eight years ago.

"I think the role Pakistan has played, no other country has played that role," he said. "And if you look at the casualties, you look at the human suffering, you look at what we are going through, our economy has suffered, everything has suffered."

He says he believes the Pakistani government made these arrests under the impression that they were in the best interest for the Pakistani people and the rest of the region.

Ishtiaq Ahmad, an associate professor for international relations at Islamabad's Quaid-i-Azam University, says Kai Eide's comments reflect a concern that Pakistan is trying to sabotage the Afghan government's efforts to reconcile with the Taliban.

He says the reasoning for this comes from the perception that Kabul is leaving Islamabad out of the reconciliation process by approaching the Taliban leadership directly without any Pakistani help.

"It might have created, you know, some kind of insecurity among Pakistanis and they might have taken this action, but again, it is all speculative," he said.

Ahmad also says Pakistan now finds itself in an even more complicated diplomatic position.

He points to years of U.S. pressure on Pakistani authorities to "do more" to target Taliban members who fled from Afghanistan to Pakistan.

"If Pakistan does not arrest a Taliban leader, then there is a complaint that Pakistan is not doing enough," he said. "And when it does arrest, and then there is, you know, this new kind of complaint."

Ahmad says that in the end, a political resolution to the Afghan conflict is in the interest for all of Afghanistan's neighbors and stakeholders in the war-torn country.

Pakistani Analysts Respond to Former UN Official's Criticism | Asia | English
 
why don't they decide onething.............. apparently they are after Talibans....... and if the GoP managed to capture the top leader......... they are crying :angry:

why play double games with us
 
you know there is a lobby which is always critical of islamabad. we should be happy that atleast US gov is not givin much attention to these voices. thanks to some increased understanding. lets see for how long will it last
 

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