Pakistan Army: The hope that got shattered

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Pakistan Army: The hope that got shattered
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Saad Rasool |

The Dawn Leaks issue has fizzled out, almost as inexplicably as it arose. And, in the aftermath, a significant fraction of Pakistanis are still wondering what it was, why it became such a big deal, and how it disappeared without a whimper.

Some claim that the Army ‘surrendered’. Others speculate that some sort of a deal was struck at the highest echelons of political and military power. A fringe minority is of the opinion that ‘democratic sanity’ prevailed, ensuring that the writ of the elected government trumps that of khaki adventurists.

In any case, one thing is for certain: Nawaz Sharif has come out stronger from this 7-month standoff between the civilian and khaki leadership.

It is not ISPR’s ‘rejection’ of Prime Minister’s directives (through a tweet) that is seen as an anathema, but the withdrawal of this rejection that has people questioning the power of our institutional framework.

What, precisely, is the issue at the heart of Dawn Leaks? Why are people up in arms about it? And why is there such despondency, now that the Army has stepped back from the brink?

Read more: Dawn leaks and ISPR’s sensible move

Everyone is all too aware of the history of Dawn Leaks, and how one story, authored by Cyril Almeida, sparked a row between our civilian and military leadership, threatening to desecrate the entire constitutional paradigm. However, it is not so much the publication of this story that bothers people (and media) today. Instead, it is the manner in which heightened tension dissipated, unceremoniously, without toppling PML (N) government first. It is not ISPR’s ‘rejection’ of Prime Minister’s directives (through a tweet) that is seen as an anathema, but the withdrawal of this rejection that has people questioning the power of our institutional framework. And this sheds a revealing light on the manner in which we all view our democratic enterprise.

What does the constitution of Pakistan say?
But before delving into such socio-political issues, it is important to get the (legal) facts straight: as per the Article 243 of the Constitution the “Federal Government” has “control and command of the Armed Forces”. And, as per the Article 90 of the Constitution, “Federal Government” consists of “the Prime Minister and the Federal Ministers”. Furthermore, according to the Article 243 of the Constitution, the “Supreme Command of the Armed Forces” vests with the President of Pakistan, who is empowered “to raise and maintain the Military, Naval, and Air Forces of Pakistan” and appoint the ‘Chiefs’ of these services. Per Article 244, “every member” of the Armed Forces takes an oath to, inter alia, “uphold the Constitution”, and is bound, per Article 4, to be loyal to the State and abide by the Constitution. And finally, as per Article 245 of the Constitution, the Armed Forces are required to “defend Pakistan”, as and when necessary “under the directions of the Federal Government”.

Under the Constitution, the Army Act, 1952, also imbibes the same spirit, and places the functioning and command of Pakistan Army, under the authority of the Federal Government.

Read more: How Dawn Leaks ruined Pakistan Army’s credibility

Everyone expected that the Prime Minister would have to back down in the face of Army’s tweet… and not the other way round.

Read full article:
Pakistan Army: The hope that got shattered

 

[Musafir117]

@WebMaster I'm requesting again and again the admin better check carefully these type of threads, Army bash for political point scoring gives free hand to anti Pakistan Anti Army elements to fueling the issue to gain their interests.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

@WebMaster I'm requesting again and again the admin better check carefully these type of threads, Army bash for political point scoring gives free hand to anti Pakistan Anti Army elements to fueling the issue to gain their interests.

This OP seem media partner of Insaaf TV but this is defence forum not political forum of PTI so army bashing should not be allowed in here
@WebMaster should set some limitations as long as Army bashing concern by supporters of any political parties

 

[Musafir117]

That's the best you can do? Why don't you addresses the valid points raised in the article above, but oh wait, you can't. Whole nation is talking same type of things and you cant ask them all to shut their mouths. Army Generals always do this, shatter the image of the army because of their incompetency and NRO's. Raheel Shareef did countless NRO's undercover while maintaining image of the army, GQB was dumb enough to announce it openly!

Closing threads like these and enforcing censorship will not automatically raise the image of the Army in public's eyes

Criticizing and defaming are two different things, I also criticize but not for political scoring This whole issue heavily politicized by parties by paid anchors and tv Chanels.
And What actual Bajwa did wrong?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Haha did you check views of baboons on army seriously one called Pakistan a prostitute i was banned when i was replying to him

You probably got banned because you mostly use abusive remarks during political debate and cannot debate logically with calm head
Ptians did seem very excited when confrontation started between government and army
and they really got frustrated when army settled their disputes with civilian governments

so much got change just in few days between first tweet and second tweet ..army ko arsh se farsh par phenk di ptians ne..now time to deal with it

 

[Thorough Pro]

Articles like these are a good example of ULTA CHOR KOTWAL KO DANTAY
There is an elected democratic government in Pakistan, if daughter of PM leaks confidential information from a meeting, how does that ruins Army's credibility?

It only destroys PM's credibility, who in his right mind would ever trust him knowing he is a "leaker". It's the PM and her daughter who "Leak"

Pakistan Army: The hope that got shattered
Global Village Space |

Saad Rasool |

The Dawn Leaks issue has fizzled out, almost as inexplicably as it arose. And, in the aftermath, a significant fraction of Pakistanis are still wondering what it was, why it became such a big deal, and how it disappeared without a whimper.

Some claim that the Army ‘surrendered’. Others speculate that some sort of a deal was struck at the highest echelons of political and military power. A fringe minority is of the opinion that ‘democratic sanity’ prevailed, ensuring that the writ of the elected government trumps that of khaki adventurists.

In any case, one thing is for certain: Nawaz Sharif has come out stronger from this 7-month standoff between the civilian and khaki leadership.

It is not ISPR’s ‘rejection’ of Prime Minister’s directives (through a tweet) that is seen as an anathema, but the withdrawal of this rejection that has people questioning the power of our institutional framework.

What, precisely, is the issue at the heart of Dawn Leaks? Why are people up in arms about it? And why is there such despondency, now that the Army has stepped back from the brink?

Read more: Dawn leaks and ISPR’s sensible move

Everyone is all too aware of the history of Dawn Leaks, and how one story, authored by Cyril Almeida, sparked a row between our civilian and military leadership, threatening to desecrate the entire constitutional paradigm. However, it is not so much the publication of this story that bothers people (and media) today. Instead, it is the manner in which heightened tension dissipated, unceremoniously, without toppling PML (N) government first. It is not ISPR’s ‘rejection’ of Prime Minister’s directives (through a tweet) that is seen as an anathema, but the withdrawal of this rejection that has people questioning the power of our institutional framework. And this sheds a revealing light on the manner in which we all view our democratic enterprise.

What does the constitution of Pakistan say?
But before delving into such socio-political issues, it is important to get the (legal) facts straight: as per the Article 243 of the Constitution the “Federal Government” has “control and command of the Armed Forces”. And, as per the Article 90 of the Constitution, “Federal Government” consists of “the Prime Minister and the Federal Ministers”. Furthermore, according to the Article 243 of the Constitution, the “Supreme Command of the Armed Forces” vests with the President of Pakistan, who is empowered “to raise and maintain the Military, Naval, and Air Forces of Pakistan” and appoint the ‘Chiefs’ of these services. Per Article 244, “every member” of the Armed Forces takes an oath to, inter alia, “uphold the Constitution”, and is bound, per Article 4, to be loyal to the State and abide by the Constitution. And finally, as per Article 245 of the Constitution, the Armed Forces are required to “defend Pakistan”, as and when necessary “under the directions of the Federal Government”.

Under the Constitution, the Army Act, 1952, also imbibes the same spirit, and places the functioning and command of Pakistan Army, under the authority of the Federal Government.

Read more: How Dawn Leaks ruined Pakistan Army’s credibility

Everyone expected that the Prime Minister would have to back down in the face of Army’s tweet… and not the other way round.

Read full article:
Pakistan Army: The hope that got shattered

 

[Zibago]

You probably got banned because you mostly use abusive remarks during political debate and cannot debate logically with calm head
Ptians did seem very excited when confrontation started between government and army
and they really got frustrated when army settled their disputes with civilian governments

so much got change just in few days between first tweet and second tweet ..army ko arsh se farsh par phenk di ptians ne..now time to deal with it

How do you respond to a person who calls your country a prostitute?
It was not a political debate it was a thread on a drone strike another fail attempt by psuedo neutral bhai

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

How do you respond to a person who calls your country a prostitute?
It was not a political debate it was a thread on a drone strike another fail attempt by psuedo neutral bhai

You can respond by reporting his/her posts if they involve abusive posts or insults but you also abuse supporters of PML(N) and I reported many of your posts and they got deleted as well . We all can convey our political opinions without involving in personal attack and insults because if we want freedom to insults others then should be ready to bear insult and abuse from others as well and moderator prefer you report such posts then replying others in same tone as many of my posts got deleted as well because I gave double insults in response of insult

 

[El Sidd]

Musharraf was a daring person to have pulled off the coup but army at this moment in time is in no mood of taking over.

With war looming next door and middle east literally on edge, Pakistan army has other pressing issues when it comes to national security.

Although it's no surprise that Pakistanis have become accustomed to coups and military rule which civilians have in the past used as an escape goat for their utter failure to govern.

It is quite a pathetic attempt to malign the army when civilians have other choices when it comes to getting rid of corruption and sabotage.

Even though the world moves at a faster pace than 3 decades ago but the wise string pullers know how to outmatch this speed.

 

[Musafir117]

When Army make deals with Criminals then bash happen .

Where is prove of that? And please take a glass of Sattu before posting putting rubbish theories of Dr Shahid and like him fazool analysts. Everything is count in allegations if not a prove of it.

 

[Syed1.]

Why is Army above criticism? Why can't we criticize them for letting people off the hook? Nobody is criticizing the jawan who is ready to lay down his life for the nation, but the jarnail sitting on top who are almost as corrupt as the filthy politicians.

 

[shahbaz baig]

unfortunately pak has many enemies and pak army didn't have choice rather than dealing with elected NS Govt..
otherwise NS could be biggest threat to pak by dealing with backdoor indian diplomacy. pak army know when & how to deal in current bad circumstances of western & eastern borders. "govt to aati jati rehti hain". but pak is first.

pak army always protect pak interest whether pak army have to face criticism or not

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

This attitude of celebtrating Army as a holy cow has no benifit to our national security.Army ( generals ) need(s) to have their due share of criticism.If bashing is required let it be done then.
Army itni kamzor nahi hai kay public criticism say hamari national security compromise ho jay gi.

 

[I.R.A]

Next year this time around in 2018 Pakistanis would supposedly get to vote again.

All what has transpired (my personal conspiracy theory) from issues like Panama and Dawn leaks is Pakistan is held hostage to ruling elite, they have made fools out of millions of Pakistanis by making them believe that its only this lot of these people (who can be counted on finger tips) and their offspring who are competent enough to rule (not govern) this country, no other Pakistani out of millions is capable enough or competent enough to govern Pakistan, they have full control over who gets to rule and sit in those most luxurious buildings of Pakistan, they have almost full say in deciding who gets to ride the VVVVIP protocols with lal bati vehicles running in front of them and behind them. To enjoy this free uninterrupted subjugation of Pakistanis and exploitation of resources of Pakistan they won't shy away from asking favors from enemies, be those favor include and lead to war at the borders of Pakistan. The other important counter check .... judiciary of Pakistan is literally someone who gets their balls cut before they take oath (I guess), their justice is limited to wasting time and safeguarding their own interests and securing positions like governor etc for themselves, they have this never ending profitable business of making money out of providing (in)justice. Law enforcement agencies are ghar ki londi of these ruling elites ........ so what is left.... the Army ......... well they are making up for the mistakes they committed in past ........... in all this who is suffering? It's a wild guess ..... because most of the Pakistanis don't complain ....... they have their own ways of circumventing the system, inventing shortcuts and achieving the goals of riding big SUVs and living in bungalows. So who should be blamed for all this? I suggest let's blame someone new (not the usual suspects) ...... hmmmm Chinese would do? In pheeno ki nazar lagi hay iss mulk ko.

 

[Zibago]

You can respond by reporting his/her posts if they involve abusive posts or insults but you also abuse supporters of PML(N) and I reported many of your posts and they got deleted as well . We all can convey our political opinions without involving in personal attack and insults because if we want freedom to insults others then should be ready to bear insult and abuse from others as well and moderator prefer you report such posts then replying others in same tone as many of my posts got deleted as well because I gave double insults in response of insult

Nothing wrong with insulting noon leagi when they use words like prostitutes for Pakistan and say things like India was right in funding mukti bahini
Baboon leagis dont shutup unless responded in same tone
Insuting rival political groups is bad?In what country? In UK have you heard the exchange of pleasentries between Brexiters and anti Brexiters?
Are you aware of the words they used when we were nice to the pdf baboons?