Pakistan Army saved Kabbah once?

[VisionHawk]

The mission for the stabilty of holy kaba by pakistani SSG personal in saudi arabia when some fully armed militants are crossing the barriers of our holy kaba (the militants wants that the king of saudi arabia must resine and the election must be held in saudi arabia) if iam not rong then saudi arabia call for pakistani SSG personal and then SSG kill all the militants who r fully armed and standing on the top of the roof of kaba mousqe

The take over of the Grand Mosque by group lead by Juhayman bin Sayf al-Utaybi on November 20, 1979, therefore, the whole episode is called as Juhayman upraising. To make it brief Saudi Arabia is a very complex and ancient tribal system to this day. Since the creation of modern day country of Saudi Arabia which was basically based on the alliance between about nineteen tribes, the system has worked very well for the Saudis but the out side can’t have a grasp and understanding of the system.

Juhayman was from tribe of Utaybi and they are basically inhabitants of small city called Sajir which now central Saudi Arabia. Juhayman had studied under Shaikh Bin Bazz and other very noble scholars but because of his tribal ancestorical history with the tribe of Ibn-Saud he had life long hatred and immense magnitude on destroying the monarch. Before the take over he and his followers had issued a decree called Saba Rasa’il (Seven letters) which was illegally published and circulated, therefore, the take over of the Grand Mosque was inevitable. It was only the Saudi Govt., which misread and misjudged their movements.

What lead to the storming and Pakistani and French connection is very clear. The SANG (Saudi Arab National Guard) and the Saudi land Forces were very reluctant to storm the Grand Mosque of its sacrosanct according to Qur’an & Hadith. The Mosque had to be recaptured pillar by pillar, and some of the Saudi soldiers were very unhappy at the prospect of fighting in the House of Allah.

Prince Sultan spoke to a group of them. ‘You can go home now if you want to,’ he cried. ‘You needn’t fight. But what am I to do? Send for the Pakistanis?’ Pakistan, whose officers monitor the training of the Saudi army, had volunteered to send Muslim stormtroopers into Makkah. Pakistan had already reinforced their contingent with another 1,800 special operation troops. France had flown tear-gas shells and percussion grenades to Jeddah, together with instructors-to whom, later, the French press imaginatively gave the credit for recapturing the Mosque. ‘This is our shame, and we must eradicate it ourselves, ‘cried Prince Sultan. Next ten days saw the Saudi assault troops go pillar by pillar and room by room in the basement to recapture the Mosque. Most Saudi soldiers had never been through real combat action and by the end of action 270 died and 461 injured; 185 rebels killed. In the end there was no so-called Mahdi and Juhayman plus his few men were caught after three weeks search in the warren of cellars below the Grand Mosque.

 

[EagleEyes]

Originally posted by Srirangan@Nov 14 2005, 03:09 AM
Ok .. can somebody briefly and shortly explain the significance of the KABA to a non muslim??? Why do people go circles around it? What's inside that black box???

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The Kaba is the mosque, its the main point where all the muslims around the globle face and read namaz towards it. It is a wonderful place...

So clean so beautiful! Also non-muslims are not allowed there.

 

[viper`in`style]

but i remember an other ANTI TERRORIST OPERATION done by our SSG persoanls

 

[Sharjeel]

Originally posted by viper`in`style@Nov 18 2005, 10:11 PM
but i remember an other ANTI TERRORIST OPERATION done by our SSG persoanls

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the school bus one??

 

[EagleEyes]

Originally posted by Yahya@Nov 24 2005, 11:06 PM
the school bus one??

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What school bus one? Can you tell me i have forgot.

 

[Sharjeel]

PAN AM Flight 73 Hijacking

In September 1986, a group of four Palestinian hijackers commandeered the Pan Am Flight 73 at Karachi airport. The flight was enroute from Bombay, India to New York and had stopped at Karachi to refuel and pickup more passengers. Close to the aircraft, the Palestinians took out their weapons and firing onto the tarmac rushed into the plane as the passengers were being boarded. The control tower, learning of the shooting immediately notified the cockpit. Due to the fast response, the crew members were able to escape through an escape hatch landing some 36 feet down on the tarmac and effectively grounding the aircraft.

The terrorists had planned their operation very well, as it was later realized. Karachi airport had passed the U.S. government's security inspections with high marks. Following a general warning issued by the Federal Aviation Authority, all American airlines were on a higher state of alert as well. The terrorists however, had been able to by-pass these security measures by coming onto the tarmac from the airport's perimeter. They began their operation in the early pre-dawn hours, at about 5 a.m. on a Friday when the security is most lax. Two of the terrorists were dressed in airport security uniforms and they drove up to the aircraft in a rented van that was disguised as a security vehicle.

In the hours preceding the attack, the atmosphere was calm but tense. After nearly five hours, negotiations finally began first with the Pan Am representatives and then with Pakistani officials. It was learnt that the hijackers wanted to fly the aircraft to Larnaca, Cyprus and demanded the release of their comrades held in prison there. Lacking the cockpit crew, they also demanded that an Arabic speaking crew be provided for them for the rest of the trip. Cyprus on the other hand had conveyed to Pakistan that it would under no circumstances allow the plane to land in their territory. Pakistani negotiators therefore tried to stall the hijackers by telling them that a crew was on its way from Frankfurt to Karachi and did not tell about the Cypriot refusal. The hijackers thus set a deadline of 7:00 p.m. before they would start killing more passengers. Earlier on, the hijackers had already killed an Indian born U.S. national Rajesh Kumar and thrown his body out of the plane as a show of their resolve to kill innocent people. The 7:00 p.m. deadline came and passed with no sign of a new flight crew and so the hijackers set a new deadline of 11:00 p.m.

By that time, Pakistani authorities had already decided upon a commando style raid on the plane, similar to the one during the 1981 hijacking at Lahore. For this, a small force of SSG was already practicing for the raid under mock conditions at another part of the airport. Earlier, there had been reports that the U.S. would itself be sending in a team of Delta Force commandos from bases in Germany. However, the time constraints did not allow for such delays and Pakistani authorities could not wait for help to arrive from outside.

Tragedy struck during the 17th hour of the crisis as the generator that supplied power to the aircraft's lights and air conditioning ran out of fuel and the plane plunged into darkness. It also caused the radio contact to be lost with the hijackers. Suspecting an assault on the aircraft was in progress, the hijackers started rounding up people in one corner and started firing indiscriminately, hurling at least two grenades in the process as well. In the mayhem, some passengers managed to open an emergency door and get out using an escape slide.

Pakistani officials were clearly taken aback by the setback. Pakistan's chief of civil aviation, retired Air Marshal Kurshid Anwar Mirza, who had been acting as negotiator ran out on the tarmac with a megaphone to warn the hijackers not to panic. However, the shooting had already started and the commandos preparing for the raid were no where near the Pan Am flight at that time. It was almost fifteen minutes later that the Pakistani commandos arrived at the scene and stormed the plane. In the resulting shootout, the SSG members killed one of the terrorists immediately and captured two others in a short time. The last hijacker tried to escape with the passengers but was apprehended as well. Two groups claimed responsibility for the attack: the Jundullah Organization, a pro-Iranian Moslem group active in Lebanon, and the Libyan Revolutionary Cell, a previously unknown group. Pakistani intelligence officials identified the gunmen as Palestinians but the spokesmen for Palestine Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat denied responsibility.

Due to the firing, almost a hundred passengers and crew members received injuries, about half of them serious. By September 11th, a total of 21 people had died. Majority of the dead were Indian nationals, while at least two Americans, several Pakistani and Mexican citizens also died. Autopsy results indicated that 10 of the victims had dies from gunfire, seven as a result of shrapnel from the grenades and a further four from injuries when jumping out of the plane.

In the aftermath of the hijacking, many inadequacies within the SSG regarding such missions were revealed. Many analysts pointed out the 15 minute delay in the boarding of the plane after the lights went out and attributed the deaths of the passengers on the SSG performance. However, it is unjust to lay the blame on the SSG. Evidence suggests that the authorities had expected the generator to lose power, but not as quickly as it did. The SSG was in fact going to use the lights out to make their move against the hijackers. The SSG was however both ill-trained and ill-equipped for such missions. In fact, the team boarded the plane with an astonishing assortment of weapons ranging from H&K G3s to AK-47s. These high caliber weapons are not suited for such close combat encounters especially when there is a high risk of collateral damage. They were also not equipped with stun grenades, silencers, or flash bangs, all of which could have resulted in lesser casualties.


School Bus Hijacking


On Sunday, February 20th, 1994, three Afghans kidnapped a school bus with seventy four students, six female teachers, a male teacher and an office clerk. The hijackers took control of the bus at the Haji Afghan refugee camp on the outskirts of Peshawar as it was picking up students for school. Afterwards, they forced the bus driver to drive to Islamabad. There the hijackers took the bus to the Afghan mission in Islamabad and conveyed there demands to the government. Initially, the hijackers’ demands included opening of the Pakistan-Afghan border to allow more refugees to enter Pakistan, and well as highlight the poor conditions of the refugee camps in Pakistan.

Pakistan's then Interior Minister, Naseerullah Babar, was heading the negotiations which were fruitful as the hijackers released 57 of the hostages. However, the hijackers kept 16 boys and a teacher with them and issued new demands including $5 million dollars in cash and a helicopter to take them into Afghanistan. They were to exchange the students with new hostages once the helicopter had arrived, including the Afghan ambassador and some senior Pakistani officials. Later, through further negotiations, the hijackers released more hostages and kept five children and a teacher.

However, as the hijackers started becoming more hostile and impatient, the decision was taken to quickly neutralize the threat with a commando raid on the hijackers. The decision to carry out the operation was taken by the corps commander in consultation with the Afghan ambassador. The operation took only a few minutes to complete its objectives and none of the hostages were hurt. All three hijackers however were killed in the exchange. The Pakistani authorities had somehow managed to inform the children of the impending raid. The SSG commandos used a secondary explosion as a distraction and entered the room at the Afghan embassy where the hostages were being held, killing the three hijackers.


Fokker Friendship Hijacking


In May 1998, at the height of tensions with India and nearly a decade in passing since its last hijacking crisis, Pakistan found itself in a similar situation. A Pakistan International Airlines flight from the coastal city of Gwadar to Karachi was hijacked by three young men from the province of Balochistan as a protest against the nuclear testing in the province. However, by this time the Pakistani authorities were ready to deal with such situations. The speed with which all members in the chain-of-command reacted speaks highly of their professionalism, and the SSG redeemed its image once again as one of the most effective elite force.

On May 24th, three members of Balochistan Students Federation took control of the PIA Fokker 27 Friendship fifteen minutes in its flight from Gawadar to Karachi. One of the hijackers came into the cockpit and ordered the pilot, Captain Zuhair Ahmed, to fly to India. The pilot immediately gave in to their demands and pacified them by following their directions. Soon afterwards, the pilot was able to contact the authorities in Karachi and tell them of the hijacking. Preparations were then set in motion for the plane to land at the Pakistani city of Hyderabad, 160 km north-east of Karachi. On the ground, signs and billboards in Urdu were taken down and the airports closed-off to all other traffic. During the flight, Pakistan Air Force F-7P interceptors had taken to the air, escorting the plane the rest of way and finally ordering it to land at Hyderabad. Around 7:50 p.m. local time the aircraft landed at the Hyderabad airport, which was now plunged into darkness so that the hijackers could not make out their location.

Immediately following touchdown, security personnel from the army surrounded the aircraft. Since the hijackers were armed with guns and explosives, no move was made to board the plane and risk civilian casualties. Contact was made with the hijackers who demanded fuel for the plane so that they could fly to New Delhi. They were told by the authorities that it would take some time to meet their demands at the "small" Bhuj airfield. In the negotiations with the hijackers the Sindh Chief Secretary and SSP (Hyderabad) posed as Pakistan's Ambassador to India and "Mr. Ashok, SP (Bhuj)" respectively. The hijackers, feeling confident, sent out the flight engineer in order to get water and a generator to provide power to the aircraft.

After eight long hours of negotiations, during which the hijackers told the authorities of their reasons for hijacking, they let eight passengers, women and children, out of the aircraft. Around 3 a.m., the negotiators persuaded the three men to come out as well. The SSG commandos, seizing their opportunity, rushed the hijackers and placed them under arrest. In the scuffle, one of the hijackers, Sabir Ali was injured and taken to the local hospital, while one commando was injured by a gunshot wound from the hijackers. The other two hijackers were identified only as Shahsawar and Shabbir. However, all 29 passengers and their 3 man crew received no injuries.

http://pakdef.info/###/army/index.html

 

[ARKhan]

In the early 1900's the Saudi government asked the Bangladesh Army to base a contingent of 15,000 troops in Saudi Arabia for the purpose of protecting the holy cities. I don't know what happened to that but we did send 2,300 troops during the Gulf War incase Saddam tried to invade all of KSA.

But Bangladesh still has a large number of troops in Kuwait. Most are part of the UN but a brigade is based their on "contract" and paid for by the Kuwait government to guard Kuwait, train their troops for combat and provide officer training.

Are SSG personnel still based in Saudi Arabia to defend the Makkah sharif?

 

[InsightDubai]

There is a lot of false stories floating around the incident at the Kaaba and non of them seems to be true especially the one about overthrowing the monarchy and implementing democracy is over whelmingly baseless.

The real reason was that the Saudi Monarchy was turning up into a oppressive regime to its own people, when the ruling family instaed of spending money in propagating Islam and Justice as taught by the Propeht Muhammad pbub, started violating every sharia law.

The ruling family used terror and political power to get rich by exploting her own people. Crime started to increase at the expence of the saudi billionairs. (5% of american assets owned by Saudi Ruling Family) All the Ruling family members started to spend their billlions outside the country to make more billions. Riba and Music and nudity became common, illetracy increased. This in turn lead to a series of events...

The people who took the Kaaba by force threathing the pilgrims are false propaganda by the ruling family. The saudi authorities used to media to label them as heretics. they were true beleivers of Allah who wanted to safeguard the scantity of the KAaba from the hypocrite rulers of the Muslim Ummah who started preaching nationlism and worked more relentlessley to further divide the Ummah.

Many of the Saudi Ruling family's third generation are accused of kidnapping and abducting young girls from school for there sexual pleasures, are taped and recorded on mobilephone then circulate around and shared by other boys of the ruling family. There is no law to bring them to justice and yet many Muslimahs get raped by the ruling family. the concept of dancing grils have returned to saudi arabia, consisting of majority of christian girls from labanon. Alcohol can become common and legal even in dubai.

Excessive spending on a glamourous lifestyle with everyone of them having private jets to serve private trip abroad to gAYs clubs were also exposed, even the young prince of bahrain was denied entry to a european gay club where he is an active member....

The people who were trapped inside the Kaaba saught the help of the pilgrims for safe guarding the Kaaba uniting the Muslim under the banner of Islam. They had seriously misunderstood the intentions of the pilgrims as they expected them to support them for a just cause. They were all killed many surrendered and were excecuted without trial which is again against the shariah. and yes they were shot dead in side the Kaaba violating the rule of ALLAh that there shall be no kind of Fitnah in the Kaaba.

The government is only the mirror of the majority of the people. If majority are drunkereds then the governance will as such...

and Allah knows Best

Mod Edit: This post will be deleted if you fail to provide links or proof of your claims. Secondly, judging other Muslims is not your job but God's. Let God decide the truth of it.

 

[Das Reich]

Didnt the Indian army under the brits in WW1 fired on the Kabba as the sherif of Mekkah was on the side of the turks?

 

[Hammad]

Originally posted by Das Reich@Jan 6 2006, 07:51 AM
Didnt the Indian army under the brits in WW1 fired on the Kabba as the sherif of Mekkah was on the side of the turks?

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Indian army in mekkah? What!

Where did you get that info? No non-muslim is allowed in Kabba especialy non-ehla-kitaab.

 

[Das Reich]

Originally posted by Hammad@Jan 11 2006, 05:12 AM
Indian army in mekkah? What!

Where did you get that info? No non-muslim is allowed in Kabba especialy non-ehla-kitaab.

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bhaijan in WW1 when indian army had a number of muslims and were fighting against the turks and were prosaudi

 

[sword9]

Originally posted by ARKhan@Dec 3 2005, 05:45 PM
Are SSG personnel still based in Saudi Arabia to defend the Makkah sharif?

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The SSG has a whole brigade (4th Brigade) in Saudi Arabi mainly to protect the royal family.

 

[Sid]

AND guard the Ka'ba.

 

[A.Rahman]

Originally posted by InsightDubai@Dec 24 2005, 03:29 AM
There is a lot of false stories floating around the incident at the Kaaba and non of them seems to be true especially the one about overthrowing the monarchy and implementing democracy is over whelmingly baseless.

The real reason was that the Saudi Monarchy was turning up into a oppressive regime to its own people, when the ruling family instaed of spending money in propagating Islam and Justice as taught by the Propeht Muhammad pbub, started violating every sharia law.

The ruling family used terror and political power to get rich by exploting her own people. Crime started to increase at the expence of the saudi billionairs. (5% of american assets owned by Saudi Ruling Family) All the Ruling family members started to spend their billlions outside the country to make more billions. Riba and Music and nudity became common, illetracy increased. This in turn lead to a series of events...

The people who took the Kaaba by force threathing the pilgrims are false propaganda by the ruling family. The saudi authorities used to media to label them as heretics. they were true beleivers of Allah who wanted to safeguard the scantity of the KAaba from the hypocrite rulers of the Muslim Ummah who started preaching nationlism and worked more relentlessley to further divide the Ummah.

Many of the Saudi Ruling family's third generation are accused of kidnapping and abducting young girls from school for there sexual pleasures, are taped and recorded on mobilephone then circulate around and shared by other boys of the ruling family. There is no law to bring them to justice and yet many Muslimahs get raped by the ruling family. the concept of dancing grils have returned to saudi arabia, consisting of majority of christian girls from labanon. Alcohol can become common and legal even in dubai.

Excessive spending on a glamourous lifestyle with everyone of them having private jets to serve private trip abroad to gAYs clubs were also exposed, even the young prince of bahrain was denied entry to a european gay club where he is an active member....

The people who were trapped inside the Kaaba saught the help of the pilgrims for safe guarding the Kaaba uniting the Muslim under the banner of Islam. They had seriously misunderstood the intentions of the pilgrims as they expected them to support them for a just cause. They were all killed many surrendered and were excecuted without trial which is again against the shariah. and yes they were shot dead in side the Kaaba violating the rule of ALLAh that there shall be no kind of Fitnah in the Kaaba.

The government is only the mirror of the majority of the people. If majority are drunkereds then the governance will as such...

and Allah knows Best

Mod Edit: This post will be deleted if you fail to provide links or proof of your claims. Secondly, judging other Muslims is not your job but God's. Let God decide the truth of it.

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Yes its true,

Numerous sources reported on Fahd's famously liberal youth, although this topic was never discussed by official Saudi media. Fahd's obituary by the BBC noted "he had a reputation as a playboy in his youth, with allegations of womanising, drinking and gambling to excess. Indeed, it is claimed that he once lost more than $6m in one night at the Monte Carlo casino."

source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/255097.stm

 

[tahirkhely]

A. Rehman, First its a sin to backbite a sinner some one who is dead also. secondly the source that u r quoting is the most unauthenticate source famous for forging lies. We as muslims are supposed to love Arabs as per Advice of our Holy Prophet.

Then what is the most authentic source? Al-jizera?