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A new Pakistani political party controlled by an Islamist with a $10 million U.S. bounty on his head is backing a candidate in a by-election on Sunday, in what a former senior army officer says is a key step in a military-proposed plan to mainstream militant groups.

The Milli Muslim League party loyal to Hafiz Saeed - who the United States and India accuse of masterminding the 2008 Mumbai attacks that killed 166 people - has little chance of seeing its favored candidate win the seat vacated when Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was removed from office by the Supreme Court in July.

But the foray into politics by Saeed's Islamist charity is following a blueprint that Sharif himself rejected when the military proposed it last year, retired Lieutenant General Amjad Shuaib told Reuters.

Three close Sharif confidants with knowledge of the discussions confirmed that Sharif had opposed the "mainstreaming" plan, which senior military figures and some analysts see as a way of steering ultra-religious groups away from violent jihad.

"We have to separate those elements who are peaceful from the elements who are picking up weapons," Shuaib said.

Pakistan's powerful military has long been accused of fostering militant groups as proxy fighters opposing neighboring arch-enemy India, a charge the army denies.



"PATRIOTIC PEOPLE"

Saeed's religious charity launched the Milli Muslim League party within two weeks after the court ousted Sharif over corruption allegations.

Yaqoob Sheikh, the Lahore candidate for Milli Muslim League, is standing as an independent after the Electoral Commission said the party was not yet legally registered.

But Saeed's lieutenants, JUD workers and Milli Muslim League officials are running his campaign and portraits of Saeed adorn every poster promoting Sheikh.

Another Islamist designated a terrorist by the United States, Fazlur Rehman Khalil, has told Reuters he too plans to soon form his own party to advocate strict Islamic law.

"God willing, we will come into the mainstream - our country right now needs patriotic people," Khalil said, vowing to turn Pakistan into a state government by strict Islamic law.


Saeed's charity and Khalil's Ansar ul-Umma organization are both seen by the United States as fronts for militant groups the army has been accused of sponsoring. The military denies any policy of encouraging radical groups.

Both Islamist groups deny their political ambitions were engineered by the military. The official army spokesman was not available for comment after queries were sent to the press wing.

Still, hundreds of MML supporters, waving posters of Saeed and demanding his release from house arrest, chanted "Long live Hafiz Saeed! Long live the Pakistan army!" at political rallies during the past week.

"Anyone who is India's friend is a traitor, a traitor," went another campaign slogan, a reference to Sharif's attempts to improve relations with long-time foe India that was a source of tension with the military.



'DERADICALISATION' PLAN

Both Saeed and Khalil are proponents of a strict interpretation of Islam and have a history of supporting violence - each man was reportedly a signatory to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's 1998 fatwa declaring war on the United States.

They have since established religious groups that they say are unconnected to violence, though the United States maintains those groups are fronts for funnelling money and fighters to militants targeting India.

Analyst Khaled Ahmed, who has researched Saeed's Jamaat-ud-Dawa charity and its connections to the military, says the new political party is clearly an attempt by the generals to pursue an alternative to dismantling its militant proxies.

"One thing is the army wants these guys to survive," Ahmed said. "The other thing is that they want to also balance the politicians who are more and more inclined to normalize relations with India."

The military's Inter-Services Intelligence agency first began pushing the political mainstreaming plan in April 2016, according to retired general Shuaib, a former director of the army's military intelligence wing that is separate from the ISI.

He said the proposal was shared with him in writing by the then-ISI chief, adding that he himself had spoken with Khalil as well as Saeed in an unofficial capacity about the plan.

"Fazlur Rehman Khalil was very positive. Hafiz Saeed was very positive," Shuaib said. "My conversation with them was just to confirm those things which I had been told by the ISI and other people."

Saeed has been under house arrest since January at his house in the eastern city of Lahore. The United States has offered a $10 million reward for information leading to his conviction over the Mumbai attacks.

Then-Prime Minister Sharif, however, was strongly against the military's mainstreaming plan, according to Shuaib and three members of Sharif's inner circle, including one who was in some of the tense meetings over the issue.

Sharif wanted to completely dismantle groups like JuD. Disagreement on what to do about anti-India proxy fighters was a major source of rancour with the military, according to one of the close Sharif confidants.

In recent weeks several senior figures from the ruling PML-N party have publicly implied that elements of the military - which has run Pakistan for almost half its modern history and previously ousted Sharif in a 1999 coup - had a hand in the court ouster of Sharif, a charge both the army and the court reject.

A representative of the PML-N, which last month replaced him as prime minister with close ally Shahid Khaqi Abbasi, said the party was "not aware" of any mainstreaming plan being brought to the table.



RELIGION AND POLITICS

Some analysts worry that mainstreaming such controversial groups would be a risky strategy for Pakistan.

U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has threatened sanctions against members of Pakistan's military and even raised the specter of declaring Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism.

"It will send a wrong message," said analyst Zahid Hussain, who nevertheless thought that Saeed's new party would have a "negligible" effect on Pakistani elections because religious parties have never won more than a few seats in parliament.

Others are not so sure.

Sheikh, the MML candidate in Sunday's by-election who says he was handpicked by Hafiz Saeed, vowed to establish strict Islamic rule and "break" liberalism and secularism.

Analyst Ahmed warned that few existing religious parties have a charismatic leader like Saeed, and Pakistan may find itself unable to control a rising tide of Islamist sentiment.

"If Hafiz Saeed comes into the mainstream, it's not that he is going to be politicized," he added. "It's that he is going to make politics more religious."


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Then-Prime Minister Sharif, however, was strongly against the military's mainstreaming plan, according to Shuaib and three members of Sharif's inner circle, including one who was in some of the tense meetings over the issue.

Sharif wanted to completely dismantle groups like JuD. Disagreement on what to do about anti-India proxy fighters was a major source of rancour with the military, according to one of the close Sharif confidants.

bcoz till now he was alone who was getting wahhabi, Ahle hadith votes, He fear that he will lose Ahle- Hadith Wahhabi votes who were his staunch supporters and source of strong connection with GCC Kingdoms, though i am against religious politics, but still welcome them in mainstream politics if they shed militancy.

let me predict that they will never succeed in Pakistani politics, Pakistani politics was never ganga centric and will never be. Pakistani never elected Mullah's as their leader. you elected sanghis and rioters as your PM and ministers.
 
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Those who don't learn from history are for certain bound to repeat it. Wasn't it enough that we made the mistake once and paid for it with blood flowing freely on our streets? Now, they want a return of Taliban (v2.0), freaking terrorism incorporated, by mainstreaming militant groups and integrating them into the system, awarding them more power/clout and credibility, thus making them ten times harder to counter and defeat, the next time. Who the hell is in charge of decision making? And are they on LSD?
 
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Those who don't learn from history are for certain bound to repeat it. Wasn't it enough that we made the mistake once and paid for it with blood flowing freely on our streets? Now, they want a return of Taliban (v2.0), freaking terrorism incorporated, by mainstreaming militant groups and integrating them into the system, awarding them more power/clout and credibility, thus making them ten times harder to counter and defeat, the next time. Who the hell is in charge of decision making? And are they on LSD?

What's wrong in it if they agree to shed militancy and totally disarm themselves?
 
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What's wrong in it if they agree to shed militancy and totally disarm themselves?

Sure, as soon as the Pope marries, the hell freezes over and the unicorns deliver our mail.

Are you for real?

Even if they somehow agree to it, what do you think their thought pattern and subsequent behavior will be? One of sanity and rationality? Of course not! They will continue propagating the same sectarianism, radicalization and extremism, like they always have. Majority of them don't even agree with the very premise of democracy.

Don't start thinking about lighting your house on fire, just because there are burglars in it.
 
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Sure, as soon as the Pope marries, the hell freezes over and the unicorns deliver our mail.

Are you for real?

Yeah i am for real, don't compare them with TTP and other irrational terrorists, they don't have single FIR in Pakistan and are loyal citizen of Pakistan. they should get a chance to shed militancy and join main stream politics,
 
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Yeah i am for real, don't compare them with TTP and other irrational terrorists, they don't have single FIR in Pakistan and are loyal citizen of Pakistan.

Read the news slowly and try to understand it properly. I will talk to you then. A few of the militant groups being considered for political role, have been found openly supporting TTP in its fight against the state, because at the end of the day, their objectives are the same, even if the means are a little different.

If they don't have a single FIR in the country and are loyal citizens, what do you think the fuss is all about?
 
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Those who don't learn from history are for certain bound to repeat it. Wasn't it enough that we made the mistake once and paid for it with blood flowing freely on our streets? Now, they want a return of Taliban (v2.0), freaking terrorism incorporated, by mainstreaming militant groups and integrating them into the system, awarding them more power/clout and credibility, thus making them ten times harder to counter and defeat, the next time. Who the hell is in charge of decision making? And are they on LSD?
No that's not going to happen. Now people have more awareness, alternatives and media.
 
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If they don't have a single FIR in the country and are loyal citizens, what do you think the fuss is all about?

fuss is bcoz of your fail diplomacy and influence, LeT maybe killed less indian soldiers then they lost every year in gutters.. but they successfully presented it as biggest bogeymen of the world only comparable with the likes of ISIS and Al Qaeeda.
 
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No that's not going to happen. Now people have more awareness, alternatives and media.

I am afraid that I don't share your optimism on the issue here. There are two reasons:

1. First, there is no extent of human ability to rationalize the truth (copied as is from Moscow Rules)
2. Human stupidity is known to be infinite. (specially considering the history of this country)

Maybe, it won't happen, maybe, its just an idea. But, I am offended on the mere proposal of it. This is an insult to my intelligence and to that of the people of Pakistan.
 
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Read the news slowly and try to understand it properly. I will talk to you then.

I have, thank you.
Read the news slowly and try to understand it properly. I will talk to you then. A few of the militant groups being considered for political role, have been found openly supporting TTP in its fight against the state, because at the end of the day, their objectives are the same, even if the means are a little different.

They will never win a election, Ahle Hadith can not win election in Pakistan, its just a try to calm them, disarm them for nothing. you dont have to worry about their support to TTP, Fazl ur Rehman aligned madrassa have more support for them then wahhabis would ever have.
 
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They will never win a election, Ahle Hadith can not win election in Pakistan, its just a try to calm them, disarm them for nothing. you dont have to worry about their support.

Would you give a fussy child a matchbox to calm him down and just because you think that he doesn't know how to light matchsticks? Seriously, what line of thinking are you even pursuing?
 
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Definitely not. Just an educational post for your benefit.

@Oscar @Horus Kindly delete my post that he has referenced. I just wanted the brat to get some education.

That's your personal experience? not interested in your family history.
 
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I am afraid that I don't share your optimism on the issue here. There are two reasons:

1. First, there is no extent of human ability to rationalize the truth (coped as is from Moscow Rules)
2. Human stupidity is known to be infinite. (specially considering the history of this country)

Sir, please tell me when was the last time a religious party won elections in Pakistan. Except for MMA in KPK (then NWFP) short and last stunt which capitalised on the anti establishment sentiment of the people for joining the WoT, no religious party has been able to win an election in Pakistan. Jamat-e-Islami is arguably the old party but never got enough seat even to form a credible opposition.
 
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