Pakistan Army Aviation Corps - Updated

[Raja Porus]

PA also tested IIR or MMW based guidance ATGMs back in 2010, unsure if any were procured.

None, AFAIK.n

lighter, portable and upgraded version of the Baktar Shikan, analogous to the Chinese HJ-8L

Not in service.

Sophie thermal sights with each one of them, detection range of more than 6 kms.

effective? Isn't it too much?
Btw are Soophie saats (as the jawans like to call it) platoon level asset or company? Also do we field any laser range finders in our SIB/MIBs?

Fire-and-forget ATGMs currently.

No fnf atgm is in service with PA.

 

[bananarepublic]

It's SACLOS, continuous tracking by the gunner is required.

Wouldn't Fire and forget be much better in Pakistans case?
I mean with the vast plants and desserts of eastern borders, mobility for such weapons are really important.
Is it really cost or some other factor not allowing a general movement towards fire and forget systems?

 

[Raja Porus]

Wouldn't Fire and forget be much better in Pakistans case?
I mean with the vast plants and desserts of eastern borders, mobility for such weapons are really important.
Is it really cost or some other factor not allowing a general movement towards fire and forget systems?

Cost is the issue, plus tge Baktar Shikan are so numerous that, if we start the replacement now even then it will take more than 5 years to completely replace them. Add to this the trials (which are very strict in PA's case), as well as the training and stock building.

 

[bananarepublic]

Cost is the issue, plus tge Baktar Shikan are so numerous that, if we start the replacement now even then it will take more than 5 years to completely replace them. Add to this the trials (which are very strict in PA's case), as well as the training and stock building.

It would be better to start slow replacement now for Frontline troops. Baktar Shikan is still versatile simply for the fact that we have so many of them. But numbers will not compensate for such a improvement in capabilities.
I wonder if KRL still retains the know how and could do the obvious improvement upon it, just like China. But that's a tall order for our industry run by uncles with good retirement plans

 

[Raja Porus]

Wouldn't Fire and forget be much better in Pakistans case?

Fnf also has Its weaknesses. It can be more easily jammed plus tge tank crew has greater warning time since fnf have to be locked on before firing hence giving the crew more response time. On the other hand a trained crew of a SALCOS atgm can point at a target near the tank and then when the missile is near enough they can point the laser beam at the tank thus reducing the response time for the crew as well as counter measures.
Mechanised warfare is more about tactics than technology and numbers.

:: GIDS - BAKTAR-SHIKAN ::

gids.com.pk

 

[Raja Porus]

KRL

It is not a product of krl.

 

[PanzerKiel]

None, AFAIK.n

Not in service.

effective? Isn't it too much?
Btw are Soophie saats (as the jawans like to call it) platoon level asset or company? Also do we field any laser range finders in our SIB/MIBs?

No fnf atgm is in service with PA.

Sophie sight is with every TOW and BSWS launcher.....
in infantry units, apart from normal LRF, FLIR Recon B2-FO multi-sensor binoculars are already there.

 

[Raja Porus]

FLIR Recon B2-FO multi-sensor binoculars are already there.

Wow. But are they company level or platoon?

 

[Reichmarshal]

I don’t recall more being ordered after the first 4. PA will order if it needs more. They’re looking at the other options instead. Z-10ME will probably be here sooner or later.

Pakistan orders more Mi-35Ms

AirForces Monthly February 2019 (Issue 371) In 2015, Senior Russian diplomat Zamir Kabulov told RIA Novosti Pakistan could buy upto 12 Mi-35M's.

defence.pk

We did order 5 more after the initial order of 4.

Plz at the very least do background search if nothing else than at least this forum.....before making sweeping statements

 

[Moon]

We have shifted to HJ-8D. @iLION12345_1 will you share some of its info, thanks.

I looked it up on Wiki and it states no change in guidance for the D variant, the big thing here is the tandem charge.
And from what we've learnt about US in Iraq is that tandem charges can deal serious damage, hence the new Iraqi Army was banned from using or buying the RPG-29.

Pakistan orders more Mi-35Ms

AirForces Monthly February 2019 (Issue 371) In 2015, Senior Russian diplomat Zamir Kabulov told RIA Novosti Pakistan could buy upto 12 Mi-35M's.

defence.pk

We did order 5 more after the initial order of 4.

Plz at the very least do background search if nothing else than at least this forum.....before making sweeping statements

So we ordered these after CAATSA? Will we face repercussions for this?
They'll probably be delivered next year if all is going according to plan.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Pakistan orders more Mi-35Ms

AirForces Monthly February 2019 (Issue 371) In 2015, Senior Russian diplomat Zamir Kabulov told RIA Novosti Pakistan could buy upto 12 Mi-35M's.

defence.pk

We did order 5 more after the initial order of 4.

Plz at the very least do background search if nothing else than at least this forum.....before making sweeping statements

I am aware of this article. It was not confirmed by any single Pakistani or Russian news source (Pak-Russia weapons deals are major things in news).
Even the first 4 were wrongly quoted as being delivered twice by media, once in 2017 when PA started training on them In Russia and then again in 2018 when they were actually received.

It does make sense for PA to order more, but If these were ordered, then deliveries have not been made yet or aren’t public. It is uncharacteristic of such a delivery to not be in any register or be announced by ISPR if they have been delivered. At least someone would have seen, noticed or reported it, It doesn’t take 2.5 years to produce 5 helicopters (I’m also aware the first “delivery” took 3+ years. In reality those helicopters were finished in under 20 months and handed over to PA in Russia for training.) Nearly 3 years is a major Delay, especially when these don’t even require a training period in Russia.

If they have been delivered or are just really delayed then I may be wrong. There might be some with insider knowledge who knows better, feel free to correct me.

I have no habit of making “sweeping statements” or false tall claims unlike you. Kindly don’t make such passive aggressive statements just because you have a dislike for me due to our previous disagreements. You won’t see me correcting you in such a way.

 

[SQ8]

Fnf also has Its weaknesses. It can be more easily jammed plus tge tank crew has greater warning time since fnf have to be locked on before firing hence giving the crew more response time. On the other hand a trained crew of a SALCOS atgm can point at a target near the tank and then when the missile is near enough they can point the laser beam at the tank thus reducing the response time for the crew as well as counter measures.
Mechanised warfare is more about tactics than technology and numbers.

:: GIDS - BAKTAR-SHIKAN ::

gids.com.pk

Top down is the current frontier - spike NLOS and other systems are apex predators due to it. The Korean PSTAM ammo is in that league.

The Indian combo of Hellfire R & L can decapitate armored columns given the airspace is generally sanitized for them. If they purchase the spike nlos for their AH-64 then it will be misery for any targeted PA division.

if they can resolve their issues with the helina/ dhruv combo then even worse.

 

[Dazzler]

Sophie thermal sights with each one of them, detection range of more than 6 kms.

Penetration for improved tandem warhead version exceeds 800m LOS I think?

 

[iLION12345_1]

Baktar Shikan" complex was improved by Pakistani specialists in parallel with modernization of HJ-8 PTRK. As compared to the original version, the following main changes were made: the thermal imaging sight was installed, the PTUR was equipped with a tandem BC of cumulative action, the equipment of the complex operation check was improved and its weight was reduced, as well as the service life of batteries was increased. Maximum range of fire is 3 km. Baktar Shikan" control equipment provides automatic tracking of the missile along the target sighting line. In the portable version of the complex is dismantled into four pack weighing no more than 25 kg in the following composition: sighting unit (IR goniometer, weight - 12.5 kg), control system unit (weight 24 kg), launcher (weight 23 kg) and the missile in the TIC. It is allowed to use HJ-8 missiles of all versions in the structure of Baktar Shikan MAC. It was also reported that the development of an advanced digital guidance system based on a 32-bit Intel processor was completed

The Data on GIDS website for this thing is either old or they’re still using old missiles with 3000m range and 600mm penetration (according to GIDS.)

 

[PanzerKiel]

Sophie thermal sights with each one of them, detection range of more than 6 kms.