Pakistan Army Aviation Corps - Updated

[Talon]

It it based on evaluation results Z10 was found lacking in engine. Qhereas the t129 passed hot and high trials with flying colors.

As i said people who tested it know better than us..

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Pak military when it comes to procurement of air assets has made a few blunders in past.

As i said people who tested it know better than us..

 

[khanasifm]

Now a student of FSC will tell the military whats right and whats wrong...Dear fellow you can always give your opinion on a matter but keep it just an opinion and not make it a final comment.People who are sitting in the military and have tested these machines know better than any of us here.


If this news is true then Z10 must be very good at a certain thing which forced Paa to buy it ignoring its cons..just a thought.

Cost and benefits analysis ??? For the cost and capability it’s surpasses other options

 

[python-000]

It is not waste of resources. Both are good platforms. If Pakistan has trouble with one platform like in acquiring spare parts the other fleet will ensure operations. It is just insurance policy.

yes you are right bro, one is aggressive & one is stealth both can defend Pakistan in a good way

 

[fatman17]

Beautiful view of Afghan border.

Note the newly constructed Pakistani fence.[emoji7] https://t.co/QelEmHcSHm

 

[fatman17]

Industry

Singapore Airshow 2018: China closes in on Asian military aircraft opportunities

Jon Grevatt, Singapore - Jane's Defence Weekly

07 February 2018

The Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) is looking to secure a number of military export orders from countries in the Asia-Pacific region spurred by several recent major orders, a senior official from the state-owned group’s export arm, the China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC), told Jane’s on 6 February.

In the past few years AVIC’s major military exports to the region include JF-17 Thunder multirole combat aircraft and K-8 Karakorum-8 trainer aircraft to Myanmar, K-8 sales to Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka; Z-10 attack helicopters to Pakistan; Z-9 light utility helicopters to Cambodia; and MA-60 transport aircraft to Laos.

Mere speculation at this point in time.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Singapore Airshow: Turkey closes in on T129 sale

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-helicopter/singapore-airshow-turkey-closes-T129-sale/

8th February 2018 - 01:02 GMT | by Wendell Minnick in Singapore

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Pakistan is planning to buy 30 T129 Atak attack helicopters built by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), said Tamer Ozmen, vice president for corporate marketing and communications, at this week’s Singapore Airshow. TAI is very close to signing a contract, he said.

In December, TAI also received an RfI from Thailand for the T129 with the possible procurement of eight or more aircraft.

Ozmen said TAI is also developing a UAV that will compete on the international market for HALE surveillance missions, similar to the Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk. The aircraft will be able to reach an altitude of 15,000m using jet engines.

It is in the planning stages and the company is in discussions with potential international co-development partners, Ozmen said.

TAI is also in the R&D stage of the Anka II MALE UAV with the same body as the original Anka, except with extended wings and powered by two engines. The original Anka is powered by a single rear 155hp heavy fuel engine and has a maximum altitude of 9,000m.

The Anka II will be able to climb to 12,000m. Both aircraft have a 24h endurance. The payload will increase from 200kg to 750kg for the Anka II. Beyond the same sensor and systems payloads, the Anka II will also be able to carry two Mk 82 unguided bombs, he said.

Ozmen also said the first two Anka-S (SATCOM) UAVs were delivered to the Turkish Air Force on 1 February. He noted that all other Turkish armed forces are equipped with the original 200km-range line-of-sight variant, though the ground stations can extend it to 400+km.

On the international front, Anka has established strong cooperation with Malaysia’s DRB-HICOM Defence Technologies (DefTech) for a direct sale of the Anka UAV. This would be the first international sale, if approved.

Indonesia is also very interested in procuring six aircraft with two ground stations. Both Malaysia and Indonesia share challenging coastlines dotted with islets favourable to illegal maritime activities, such as piracy and smuggling.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Man, u and @fatman17 have shared conflicting sources. So is PAA going with both types??

Won't this make for a hodge podge of all sorts. Including AH-1Fs, new AH-1Zs, Mi-35, possible heavy/medium like Mi-28 and then these two Z10 and T-129 ATAK??

Singapore Airshow: Turkey closes in on T129 sale

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-helicopter/singapore-airshow-turkey-closes-T129-sale/

8th February 2018 - 01:02 GMT | by Wendell Minnick in Singapore

RSS

Pakistan is planning to buy 30 T129 Atak attack helicopters built by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), said Tamer Ozmen, vice president for corporate marketing and communications, at this week’s Singapore Airshow. TAI is very close to signing a contract, he said.

In December, TAI also received an RfI from Thailand for the T129 with the possible procurement of eight or more aircraft.

Ozmen said TAI is also developing a UAV that will compete on the international market for HALE surveillance missions, similar to the Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk. The aircraft will be able to reach an altitude of 15,000m using jet engines.

It is in the planning stages and the company is in discussions with potential international co-development partners, Ozmen said.

TAI is also in the R&D stage of the Anka II MALE UAV with the same body as the original Anka, except with extended wings and powered by two engines. The original Anka is powered by a single rear 155hp heavy fuel engine and has a maximum altitude of 9,000m.

The Anka II will be able to climb to 12,000m. Both aircraft have a 24h endurance. The payload will increase from 200kg to 750kg for the Anka II. Beyond the same sensor and systems payloads, the Anka II will also be able to carry two Mk 82 unguided bombs, he said.

Ozmen also said the first two Anka-S (SATCOM) UAVs were delivered to the Turkish Air Force on 1 February. He noted that all other Turkish armed forces are equipped with the original 200km-range line-of-sight variant, though the ground stations can extend it to 400+km.

On the international front, Anka has established strong cooperation with Malaysia’s DRB-HICOM Defence Technologies (DefTech) for a direct sale of the Anka UAV. This would be the first international sale, if approved.

Indonesia is also very interested in procuring six aircraft with two ground stations. Both Malaysia and Indonesia share challenging coastlines dotted with islets favourable to illegal maritime activities, such as piracy and smuggling.

 

[Gryphon]

@Hodor @Ahmet Pasha

The Jane's article confirms nothing. The author is mistaking the temporary transfer of 3x Z-10 helicopters for trials & evaluation as a sale.

 

[python-000]

@Hodor @Ahmet Pasha

The Jane's article confirms nothing. The author is mistaking the temporarary transfer of 3x Z-10 helicopters for trials & evaluation as a sale.

so do you have any problem if Pakistan purchasing more Z-10's

Singapore Airshow: Turkey closes in on T129 sale

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-helicopter/singapore-airshow-turkey-closes-T129-sale/

8th February 2018 - 01:02 GMT | by Wendell Minnick in Singapore

RSS

Pakistan is planning to buy 30 T129 Atak attack helicopters built by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), said Tamer Ozmen, vice president for corporate marketing and communications, at this week’s Singapore Airshow. TAI is very close to signing a contract, he said.

In December, TAI also received an RfI from Thailand for the T129 with the possible procurement of eight or more aircraft.

Ozmen said TAI is also developing a UAV that will compete on the international market for HALE surveillance missions, similar to the Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk. The aircraft will be able to reach an altitude of 15,000m using jet engines.

It is in the planning stages and the company is in discussions with potential international co-development partners, Ozmen said.

TAI is also in the R&D stage of the Anka II MALE UAV with the same body as the original Anka, except with extended wings and powered by two engines. The original Anka is powered by a single rear 155hp heavy fuel engine and has a maximum altitude of 9,000m.

The Anka II will be able to climb to 12,000m. Both aircraft have a 24h endurance. The payload will increase from 200kg to 750kg for the Anka II. Beyond the same sensor and systems payloads, the Anka II will also be able to carry two Mk 82 unguided bombs, he said.

Ozmen also said the first two Anka-S (SATCOM) UAVs were delivered to the Turkish Air Force on 1 February. He noted that all other Turkish armed forces are equipped with the original 200km-range line-of-sight variant, though the ground stations can extend it to 400+km.

On the international front, Anka has established strong cooperation with Malaysia’s DRB-HICOM Defence Technologies (DefTech) for a direct sale of the Anka UAV. This would be the first international sale, if approved.

Indonesia is also very interested in procuring six aircraft with two ground stations. Both Malaysia and Indonesia share challenging coastlines dotted with islets favourable to illegal maritime activities, such as piracy and smuggling.

in my opinion the contract will be signed in 2050 i hope sooo still preparing stage

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Man, u and @fatman17 have shared conflicting sources. So is PAA going with both types??

Won't this make for a hodge podge of all sorts. Including AH-1Fs, new AH-1Zs, Mi-35, possible heavy/medium like Mi-28 and then these two Z10 and T-129 ATAK??

To simplify matters ... so far, the PAA's attack helicopter plans center on just 3 new platforms: AH-1Z (heavy), T129 (light) and Mi-35M (assault). Technically, the Mi-35M isn't all new, it uses the same engines as the Mi-17/171.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Dont AH1Zs and ATAKs also share same engine or atleast parts commonality?

To simplify matters ... so far, the PAA's attack helicopter plans center on just 3 new platforms: AH-1Z (heavy), T129 (light) and Mi-35M (assault). Technically, the Mi-35M isn't all new, it uses the same engines as the Mi-17/171.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Dont AH1Zs and ATAKs also share same engine or atleast parts commonality?

No engine commonality. No parts commonality. But the T700 (AH-1Z) and LHTEC T800 (T129) are common engines in their own right, so if Pakistan needs other helicopters it can find some with those engines if need be.

 

[Shabi1]

so do you have any problem if Pakistan purchasing more Z-10's


in my opinion the contract will be signed in 2050 i hope sooo still preparing stage

The Z-10 is a a superb platform and in this case its better Pakistan utilize the funding credit from our Chinese friends for other items like ships and submarines etc. My understanding why Pakistan chose to go for AH-1Z instead is because they have better high altitude performance and will be used extensively combating terrorists near Afghan border. Pakistan will claim compensation in form of coalition support funding. US doesnt give funding directly to Pakistan it prefers spending those on its on products. So munitions and spares for AH-1Zs will be reimbursable.
Decision to choose T-129 is because its a lighter platform and Turkey offered joint production and it is not just for units meant for Pakistan. PAC Kamra will be making components and spares to supply for other T-129 customers as well.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The Z-10 is a a superb platform and in this case its better Pakistan utilize the funding credit from our Chinese friends for other items like ships and submarines etc. My understanding why Pakistan chose to go for AH-1Z instead is because they have better high altitude performance and will be used extensively combating terrorists near Afghan border. Pakistan will claim compensation in form of coalition support funding. US doesnt give funding directly to Pakistan it prefers spending those on its on products. So munitions and spares for AH-1Zs will be reimbursable.
Decision to choose T-129 is because its a lighter platform and Turkey offered joint production and it is not just for units meant for Pakistan. PAC Kamra will be making components and spares to supply for other T-129 customers as well.

With Bangladesh, Thailand and the Philippines now engaged with TAI for the T129, the parts manufacturing aspect has just gotten a lot more important.